Sinn Fein Presidential Candidate

paky · 11-09-2010 08:05PM #1

Do Sinn Fein normally run a cadidate for the Irish Presidency? And if so what would it mean for Ireland and the Peace Process if one was elected?

KeithAFC · 11-09-2010 08:13PM

Would probably help the party if they got rid of the IRA terrorist Gerry Adams.

Lockstep · 11-09-2010 08:20PM

I doubt Sinn Féin have the numbers to nominate a candidate. Certainly not enough in the Oireachtas and probably not enough in the councils.

PomBear · 11-09-2010 08:21PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Would probably help the party if they got rid of the IRA terrorist Gerry Adams.

:facepalms:

OP, Sinn Féin need 20 TDs i think and a few more regulations so it's unlikely they'll be able to if they wanted

KeithAFC · 11-09-2010 08:27PM

PomBear wrote: »

:facepalms:

OP, Sinn Féin need 20 TDs i think and a few more regulations so it's unlikely they'll be able to if they wanted

I was being serious. The only reason the guy survives up here in Northern Ireland is because of the wounds of the Troubles. The moment those wounds fully heal, the guy would be useless.

He would never get into a high position down south because as far as im aware, people don't vote for terrorists in the Republic of Ireland. His past is as dodgy as f*ck.

Liam Byrne · 11-09-2010 08:27PM

As I said in another thread, if SF actually recognised the country, it might be a start.

paky · 11-09-2010 08:34PM

How does the nomination work? I thought anyone could run? (George Hook)

PomBear · 11-09-2010 09:12PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

I was being serious. The only reason the guy survives up here in Northern Ireland is because of the wounds of the Troubles. The moment those wounds fully heal, the guy would be useless.

He would never get into a high position down south because as far as im aware, people don't vote for terrorists in the Republic of Ireland. His past is as dodgy as f*ck.

Or he's leader of the Third Biggest Party on this Island and that Party and his oters seems to approve of him What are you on about wounds healing from the Troubles? There are wounds that won't heal and parents without sons or daughters, sons and daughters without parents and so on.

He is respected by most for being key to peace and being a fine politician. The Irish voter isn't as fickle as thinking 'dodgy as ****'. Grow up

timespast · 11-09-2010 09:13PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Would probably help the party if they got rid of the IRA terrorist Gerry Adams.

Yawn.

KeithAFC · 11-09-2010 09:19PM

PomBear wrote: »

Or he's leader of the Third Biggest Party on this Island and that Party and his oters seems to approve of him What are you on about wounds healing from the Troubles? There are wounds that won't heal and parents without sons or daughters, sons and daughters without parents and so on.

He is respected by most for being key to peace and being a fine politician. The Irish voter isn't as fickle as thinking 'dodgy as ****'. Grow up

The wounds of the troubles. As time passes and people move on, his position will weaken. I dont' see what he has to offer anyway.

paky · 11-09-2010 09:49PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

The wounds of the troubles. As time passes and people move on, his position will weaken. I dont' see what he has to offer anyway.

somehow i doubht it. with the threat fo dissident republicans, people will have a new enemy to focus their anger on.

Eliot Rosewater · 11-09-2010 10:32PM

paky wrote: »

How does the nomination work? I thought anyone could run? (George Hook)

From the Consitution, article 12, section 4:

Every citizen who has reached his thirty-fifth year of age is eligible for election to the office of President.

Every candidate for election, not a former or retiring President, must be nominated either by:
not less than twenty persons, each of whom is at the time a member of one of the Houses of the Oireachtas, or

by the Councils of not less than four administrative Counties (including County Boroughs) as defined by law.

No person and no such Council shall be entitled to subscribe to the nomination of more than one candidate in respect of the same election.

Former or retiring Presidents may become candidates on their own nomination.

Where only one candidate is nominated for the office of President it shall not be necessary to proceed to a ballot for his election.

http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/eng/Youth_Zone/About_the_Constitution,_Flag,_Anthem_Harp/Constitution_of_Ireland_Eng_Nov2004.htm

Permabear · 11-09-2010 10:43PM

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Yitzhak Rabin · 11-09-2010 11:11PM

Is there a way someone can be proposed if they have a certain amount of signatures from members of the public? Or was that something I imagined?

Eliot Rosewater · 11-09-2010 11:17PM

yekahs wrote: »

Is there a way someone can be proposed if they have a certain amount of signatures from members of the public? Or was that something I imagined?

Something imagined. As per my post above, there are only three ways a person can run:

They are nominated by at least 20 members of the Oireachtas.
They are nominated by at least 4 country councils.
They are a former or retiring president.

CokaColumbo · 11-09-2010 11:23PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

The wounds of the troubles. As time passes and people move on, his position will weaken. I dont' see what he has to offer anyway.

You are derailing this thread (and by responding to you, so am I, but anyway...).

Gerry Adams has been instrumental in delivering peace in the six counties and maintaining that peace to the present day. He does not seek to stoke the fire of bitterness, sectarianism or anti-British sentiment. He himself has been personally affected by the destruction of the war and his message in today's Ireland is one of peace and reconciliation. That is the platform on which he operates in 2010.

Lockstep · 11-09-2010 11:33PM

donegalfella wrote: »

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Just so there's no confusion she ran as an Independant (she left Labour over the Good Friday Agreement)
But she was mainly nominated by Labour of course.

imme · 11-09-2010 11:40PM

kickoutthejams wrote: »

Just so there's no confusion she ran as an Independant (she left Labour over the Good Friday Agreement)
But she was mainly nominated by Labour of course.

Good Friday Agreement 1998, My god the woman is a visionary as well as everything else.:D
It was over the Anlgo Irish Agreement 1985.

imme · 11-09-2010 11:47PM

I can't see them running anyone in the next Pres election. Mary Lou is too young, she prob wouldn't want to go for it anyway. She prob see herself as Taoiseach material. None of their other figures elected or unelected in the Republic has a big enough profile/appeal.

They wouldn't nominate any of the Northern women politicians as they're total unknowns in the Republic. The male politicians are all associated with the peace process and pre peace process. None has a big voter appeal I think.

lugha · 11-09-2010 11:55PM

imme wrote: »

Mary Lou is too young, she prob wouldn't want to go for it anyway. She prob see herself as Taoiseach material.

So you reckon she'll go back to FF?

If she really is that, er confident, she would certainly be in the right party!

imme · 12-09-2010 12:10AM

lugha wrote: »

So you reckon she'll go back to FF?
If she really is that, er confident, she would certainly be in the right party!

No, I don't see her wanting to be President. I see her wanting more than the presidency.
Even though she failed to be elected to the Dail a couple of times and failed to be reelected to the European Parliament when the Dublin constituency lost a seat, I believe that she thinks there's better things in store for her some day.

I don't think she'll rejoin FF, she has some intelligence.:pac:

Bottle_of_Smoke · 12-09-2010 08:46AM

imme wrote: »

I can't see them running anyone in the next Pres election. Mary Lou is too young, she prob wouldn't want to go for it anyway. She prob see herself as Taoiseach material. None of their other figures elected or unelected in the Republic has a big enough profile/appeal.

They wouldn't nominate any of the Northern women politicians as they're total unknowns in the Republic. The male politicians are all associated with the peace process and pre peace process. None has a big voter appeal I think.

Was mcaleese well known before running for election? I was only 12/13 at the time so cant remember.

why would being associated with the peace process go against them?

Scotty # · 12-09-2010 08:52AM

Adams is 50/1(same as Bono) and Mary Lou is 100/1.

In other words.... not a hope in hell!

http://www.paddypower.com/bet/other-politics/next-irish-president?ev_oc_grp_ids=33552

nuac · 12-09-2010 10:40AM

Ok Gerry Adams having been urged and advised by John Hume played his part in the peace process and the GFA.

However he has a rather murky past. Could not have a presidential candidate who refuses to condemn the many murders and other crimes committed as part of the "armed struggle"

REPSOC1916 · 12-09-2010 01:34PM

Speaking as a supporter, there wouldnt be much point in running a candidate. First of we dont meet the threshold for the number of TD's and Senators and the only council where the party could get a nomination from would be Monaghan County Council. Secondly it'd be a waste of resources campaigning for an election to a post which doesnt really have much power or in Joe Higgins word's a "bourgeoise bauble".
I'd say most members would be happy enough to back Michael D Higgins and probably have an arrangement with Labour similar to the 1990 agreement with the Workers' Party (when they had strength) with Mary Robinson.

KeithAFC · 12-09-2010 05:26PM

nuac wrote: »

Ok Gerry Adams having been urged and advised by John Hume played his part in the peace process and the GFA.

However he has a rather murky past. Could not have a presidential candidate who refuses to condemn the many murders and other crimes committed as part of the "armed struggle"

Or the ones he took part in.

imme · 12-09-2010 06:45PM

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Was mcaleese well known before running for election? I was only 12/13 at the time so cant remember.

why would being associated with the peace process go against them?

she was well known politically, she'd stood for FF at a Gen Election. She'd represented the Irish Bishops Conference at the New Ireland Forum or something. Sge was Reid Prof in Trinity. She was known politically, but was a complete surprise to most when announced.

You know what I can't remember the second point I made above.:o

Essexboy · 12-09-2010 06:55PM

nuac wrote: »

Ok Gerry Adams having been urged and advised by John Hume played his part in the peace process and the GFA.

However he has a rather murky past. Could not have a presidential candidate who refuses to condemn the many murders and other crimes committed as part of the "armed struggle"

However he has a rather murky past.

So has Bertie Ahern but he still wants to run for President.

Pat D. Almighty · 12-09-2010 11:13PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

He would never get into a high position down south because as far as im aware, people don't vote for terrorists in the Republic of Ireland. His past is as dodgy as f*ck.

Martin Ferriss & Arthur Morgan are currently elected to an Dail. Both former PIRA members.
Also, there are many, many public representatives in the south that hold, or have held, public office that, with your labeling, have been involved in republican activity.

KeithAFC · 12-09-2010 11:40PM

Pat D. Almighty wrote: »

Martin Ferriss & Arthur Morgan are currently elected to an Dail. Both former PIRA members.
Also, there are many, many public representatives in the south that hold, or have held, public office that, with your labeling, have been involved in republican activity.

They should be booted out. And its not republican activity im on about, its shooting people, planning the planting of bombs, lying about activity in the IRA etc.

PomBear · 13-09-2010 01:21AM

KeithAFC wrote: »

They should be booted out. And its not republican activity im on about, its shooting people, planning the planting of bombs, lying about activity in the IRA etc.

Yes, be undemocratic about as you can about it :rolleyes:
Should we kick out all Parties bar the Greens because of their IRA past?:rolleyes:

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