Where is Southern Ireland?

stoneill · 11-09-2010 01:53AM

frenchman wrote: »

Ireland comprises Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, that was always the case before the random nature of the border was drawn up, long before the 26 counties became independent from the rest of the UK. Slightly ignorant, in my opinion, of the 6 counties of northern ireland to refer to the 26 counties alone as Ireland.. ie Ireland comprises north and south, always has done and it is only since partition that this issue has cropped up.

That would be the Island of Ireland, not the sovereign state you are referring to.

rossie1977 · 11-09-2010 02:36AM

east germany and west germany were another example

cloneslad · 11-09-2010 07:04AM

Rabble Rabble wrote: »

All of North Korea is to the North of South Korean, the Northern Part of the island of Ireland is in the Republic.

Anyway, just a shorthand, I assume.

No, it's not.

The part between the DMZ and Gaesong (possibly some of gaesong too) in North Korea is further south that parts of seoraksan and a few other places on the east coast which is in the republic of Korea.

the border increases as you go towards the east coast towards seoraksan and sokcho whereas it's quite far down on the west coast, close to seoul.

THall04 · 11-09-2010 08:05AM

A policeman in Newcastle (England) stopped me for a minor traffic offence.

Asked me for my address.
Told him I was from "Waterford ,Ireland"

Cop:....Now....would that be Northern Ireland or Southern Ireland??

I hate the term Southern Ireland so I replied........
.."The Republic of Ireland"......

Cop:....Hmnnnn....Lets-just-call-it.........EIRE

deise48 · 11-09-2010 08:18AM

Links234 wrote: »

It makes me wonder if only people outside south korea call it south korea?

and do chinesse people call it chinesse food or just food

dlofnep · 11-09-2010 09:02AM

Waterford is in the sunny south-east. We reject any notions of Waterford laying in the south with the likes of Wexford and Caaaark.

[Jackass] · 11-09-2010 09:06AM

It's the Republic.

The Republic of Ireland.

I suppose it's a nations version of "I didn't spend six years in med school to be called mister, thank you very much!!"

Agricola · 11-09-2010 09:11AM

No such place. Its Ireland, North South, East and West boy!

Breaks into....a nation once again, a naaaaaaation..........

A Dub in Glasgo · 11-09-2010 09:32AM

Yeah, if we follow the 'lets not care' people, the most northern part on the island of Ireland is in Southern Ireland!!

It is the same lazy naming convention that claims Ulster is Nothern Ireland

Mint Sauce · 11-09-2010 09:52AM

D-Generate wrote: »

Also the FAI for some unknown reason also adhere to this Republic of Ireland convention. I just can't understand why they don't compete as Ireland.

Unlike the IRFU (rugby), which covers the whole island of Ireland. The FAI only covers the republic, whislt the IFA (irish football assioation) covers northern Ireland. An island of Ireland football team is one big hot potato, can of worms, debated to bits discussion, also has futher implications involving UEFA, FIFA and the releavent olympic councils if was to be restuctured.

As for southern Ireland, it confuses some un educated or ignorant people who beleive northern and southern Ireland are seperated geographically, as if there is a line running just north of dublin from the east to the west coast spliting the island in two. The amount of people when i tell my family is from Donegal, who immediatly respond along the lines of, or very ocasionally try and argue that their from northern Ireland. Even after you draw them a sketch of the outline of the island and point out the boarder, and try and explain that north and south is a political name/describtion, rather than a geographical one. To wind them up a little further you can always add that parts of Donegal are even further north than northern Ireland.

lugha · 11-09-2010 10:10AM

D-Generate wrote: »

It gets on my goat when the country is not referred to as Ireland and is called Southern Ireland, the Republic of Ireland or my pet peeve Irish Republic.

Surely many countries have many popular names for self-reference (e.g. the US, the US of A, the united states, the states, America, though presumably only one of these is the proper term).
It is really just pedantic to be making an issue over this, unless there is a meaningful (i.e. present day) political implication of your term of choice. Thus my only problem is with 26 counties.

And whilst "Ireland" has got accuracy going for it, it is rather ambiguous. If you mention Ireland in many contexts, you will likely be asked if you mean the whole island or just the republic.

mathepac · 11-09-2010 10:12AM

THall04 wrote: »

... Cop:....Hmnnnn....Lets-just-call-it.........EIRE

Ahhh, what a lovely story. He'd kept all the stamps from the cards his Granny in Cork had sent him over the years.

[Jackass] wrote: »

It's the Republic.

The Republic of Ireland. ...

Read the Constitution Jackass.

lugha · 11-09-2010 10:14AM

THall04 wrote: »

Cop:....Hmnnnn....Lets-just-call-it.........EIRE

And that would be one righteous and right on cop! Eire is a perfectly proper name to use to refer to the Southern Irish state and it is favoured much more in the UK than here. Though, apparently that term was used in a sneering way by some English types in the past, for some reason.

dlofnep · 11-09-2010 10:18AM

[Jackass] wrote: »

It's the Republic.

The Republic of Ireland.

That is the description of the state. The official name is Ireland or Éire.

moonpurple · 11-09-2010 10:31AM

eire is written on our stamps
how surprising can it be to encounter foreignors using it

in 2010 I could not give a sheet about the attitude of some english person
ryanair is one of many reasons why we over fly the uk and their shortcomings
head to the US brother where your irishness is an advantage

number10a · 11-09-2010 10:48AM

moonpurple wrote: »

eire is written on our stamps
how surprising can it be to encounter foreignors using it

But the thing is that it's usually only one bunch of foreigners who use Éire. Ever heard an American or an Australian using it?? We don't go around saying España, Polska or Deutschland now do we? It's only right to say Éire when you're speaking in Irish.

Pherekydes · 11-09-2010 10:55AM

round tower huntsman wrote: »

and the peoples republic of cork.

Nah, that's a separate republic, as they're so fond of telling us.

hbr · 11-09-2010 10:59AM

Pherekydes wrote: »

Kerry, Waterford, bits of Wexford and so on.

What about Cork boy?

I think Malin Head is in Southern Ireland too.

Agricola · 11-09-2010 11:07AM

Like all things in Irish politics its abit of a grey area.

To people living in the 26 counties, southern Ireland would be everywhere below a line from Limerick to Wexford.
To people living in the 6 counties, its the 26 counties.
To 99% of foreigners, and people who have no affiliation with anything Irish, Ireland is Ireland from shore to shore. "What... you mean those darned Brits still have a stake in it, those fcúkers!"
To the British, Southern Ireland aka the Irish Republic is that land of militant yet loveable rogues who went and left the United Kingdom and is distinctly different from that other place that they own, yet care little about, Northern Ireland.

Christ, it must be some head bender for a foreigner to grasp!

Pherekydes · 11-09-2010 11:19AM

hbr wrote: »

What about Cork boy?

I think Malin Head is in Southern Ireland too.

If you lived in Berwick you wouldn't say you lived in Southern England, would you?

And the Republic of Cork is a separate entity. They don't count it (as part of Ireland), so we don't count it.

When they crawl back up here and beg our forgiveness, and hail Dublin as the real capital we might consider letting them back in.

moonpurple · 11-09-2010 11:25AM

number10a wrote: »

But the thing is that it's usually only one bunch of foreigners who use Éire. Ever heard an American or an Australian using it?? We don't go around saying España, Polska or Deutschland now do we? It's only right to say Éire when you're speaking in Irish.

those foreignors are often de inglish, innit?
we are in the euro
the uk is not
we have big links with america who pressed london to get their thugs out in 1922

fck the narrow minded english and their floral dresses, their rudeness their violence their class hate

forget the uk buddy, embrace the world:)

_sparkie_ · 11-09-2010 12:12PM

ILA wrote: »

You hardly suggest calling it either the "Republic" or "Free State", or maybe the "26 Counties"?

when i lived in england i called ireland 'the republic' just seemed to annoy everyone that little bit more.

Mal-Adjusted · 11-09-2010 12:17PM

ILA wrote: »

You hardly suggest calling it either the "Republic" or "Free State", or maybe the "26 Counties"? Personally I prefer "Free State" as it eloquently highlights the illegitimate nature of the State and the fact that it's not a complete work, if you will.

Otherwise: Kerry, Cork, Limerick, Cllare, and places like those.

Jesus man, go look at a map! you're confusing west for south. They're large sheets of paper with pictures of islands and roads and towns on them, not too hard to find

kraggy · 11-09-2010 12:45PM

"Southern Ireland" is a major hate of mine.

The most northerly part of Ireland is in the "South". When I lived England, people used to say to me "are you from the north or the south?".

I would reply "neither, I'm from the West".

Cue confused look on their ignorant face...

Also, when I was travelling, I met a so-called educated girl from Scotland who thought that the difference between the North and the Republic was that the North is part of Britain and, though the Republic is not British, it is part of the overall United Kingdom.

There are many British people who don't know that we are actually independent from them. And I mean so-called educated people.

Local-womanizer · 11-09-2010 12:57PM

Them:"where are ya from?"

Me:"Ireland"

Them:"oh cool,north or south?"

Me:"Err,south"

Them: "cool,where bouts?"

Me:"Donegal"

Them:"Wheres that?"

Me:"North west of the south"

Typical exchange for me with people abroad!

wotzgoingon · 11-09-2010 01:22PM

deise48 wrote: »

and do chinesse people call it chinesse food or just food

Im Irish and chinese immigrant and i went to live in china with the other thousands to open an irish take away/restaraunt. There is 3 or 4 in every town over here more in citys and big towns of course. We serve all irsh food a big favourite is spuds, cabbage and bacon. The chinese do be talkin to their friends and say im gonna have an irish tonight.

dlofnep · 11-09-2010 01:22PM

Local-womanizer wrote: »

Them:"where are ya from?"

Me:"Ireland"

Them:"oh cool,north or south?"

Me:"Err,south"

Them: "cool,where bouts?"

Me:"Donegal"

Them:"Wheres that?"

Me:"North west of the south"

Typical exchange for me with people abroad!

That conversation would have gone alot smoother if you had just said the north-west from the start

Luxie · 11-09-2010 01:54PM

D-Generate wrote: »

It gets on my goat when the country is not referred to as Ireland and is called Southern Ireland, the Republic of Ireland or my pet peeve Irish Republic. The BBC in particular are renowned for not referring to Ireland as anything but Irish Republic. Shame they don't recognise the actual name of our country as enshrined in the constitution.

Also the FAI for some unknown reason also adhere to this Republic of Ireland convention. I just can't understand why they don't compete as Ireland.

Because years ago they tried it, only NI were calling themselves 'Ireland' also, and FIFA made them change to NI and Rep of Ireland.

Is why.

opinion guy · 11-09-2010 01:58PM

Hibernia anyone ?:D

mathepac · 11-09-2010 02:05PM

Luxie wrote: »

Because years ago they tried it, only NI were calling themselves 'Ireland' also, ...

Incorrect. The IFA, which now administers Association Football in Northern Ireland, was , prior to partition the original organisation with a 32-county charter. The upstart newbie FAI, claimed to represent "Ireland", which of course they didn't and don't. Now neither does, if you see what I mean

Where is Southern Ireland?

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