Where is Southern Ireland?

stoneill

Northern Ireland is a defined place with defined border - so when did it become normal to refer to Ireland as Southern Ireland?
It's creeping in everywhere, I even saw it on a van advertising phone numbers for it's offices!

Pherekydes

Kerry, Waterford, bits of Wexford and so on.

Links234

It makes me wonder if only people outside south korea call it south korea?

fonecrusher1

Pherekydes wrote: »

Kerry, Waterford, bits of Wexford and so on.

Yeah that just about covers it. Can't think of any other county.


End of thread.

ILA

You hardly suggest calling it either the "Republic" or "Free State", or maybe the "26 Counties"? Personally I prefer "Free State" as it eloquently highlights the illegitimate nature of the State and the fact that it's not a complete work, if you will.

Otherwise: Kerry, Cork, Limerick, Cllare, and places like those.

Corsendonk

Its next the mainland

number10a

The UK have several names for this country, the best one I ever saw was Non-UK Ireland. UK folk seem to dislike using this country's actual name. They are also prone to think that it will puzzle the postman if an envelope simply says Ireland and that he might send it to Belfast instead. They kindly specify it for us. Bless 'em.

mikemac

Well we call the Republic of Korea, South Korea
And the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, we shorten to North Korea

So any wonder the Republic of Ireland is called Southern Ireland

Well when I worked in Belfast a few years ago, people were talking about the "Free State"
Yes, even after 1948/1949 when the Repubilc was declared, people still use the term Free State, they weren't even alive in in the 1940's!

admiralofthefleet

near the azores

number10a

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

near the azores

If only........

Zamboni

I hate that phrase.

It is a geographic misnomer for Donegal for a start.

admiralofthefleet

we should have colonised it centuries ago before the porto-geezers got near it

Rabble Rabble

feelingstressed wrote: »

Well we call the Republic of Korea, South Korea
And the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, we shorten to North Korea

So any wonder the Republic of Ireland is called Southern Ireland

Well when I worked in Belfast a few years ago, people were talking about the "Free State"
Yes, even after 1948/1949 when the Repubilc was declared, people still use the term Free State, they weren't even alive in in the 1940's!

All of North Korea is to the North of South Korean, the Northern Part of the island of Ireland is in the Republic.

Anyway, just a shorthand, I assume.

LizT

I've lived in the north on and off for the past three years and I've gotten used to people referring to the republic as the south. It kinda makes sense!

ejmaztec

ILA wrote: »

You hardly suggest calling it either the "Republic" or "Free State", or maybe the "26 Counties"? Personally I prefer "Free State" as it eloquently highlights the illegitimate nature of the State and the fact that it's not a complete work, if you will.

Otherwise: Kerry, Cork, Limerick, Cllare, and places like those.

Shouldn't Kerry be Northern-South-Western-Southern Ireland?

karlog

Everywhere except northern Ireland is southern Ireland even Donegal.

Wolfe Tone

Southern Ireland is a term for the 26 county state known as Ireland or the Republic of Ireland.

fonecrusher1

Its just Ireland to me.;)

Oh well Ireland & Co. Dublin. Which i expect to break away & drift east to where it belongs, any day now.:D


:pac:

number10a

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Pherekydes wrote: »

Kerry, Waterford, bits of Wexford and so on.

Yeah that just about covers it. Can't think of any other county.


End of thread.

I'm only getting what ye're saying now!! Feckers! That "Let's Exclude Cork from Ireland" Party has really become popular lately hasn't it!! Maybe they'll overtake FF in polls soon. :p

It's late for me, hence the slow brain - or else no doubt it's cos I'm Corkonian.

number10a

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Its just Ireland to me.;)

Oh well Ireland & Co. Dublin. Which i expect to break away & drift east to where it belongs, any day now.:D


:pac:

I'm puzzled - where are you from?? You exclude Cork from Ireland in one post and Dublin in another!!!! Usually no one does this only Dubs and Cork people. The confusion!!!! Brain cannot compute.......

stoneill

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Its just Ireland to me.;)

Oh well Ireland & Co. Dublin. Which i expect to break away & drift east to where it belongs, any day now.:D


:pac:

Exactly - Northern Ireland is a defined place - there is no defined placed called Southern Ireland, it's a general direction or area depending on where you are currently situated.

mohawk

number10a wrote: »

I'm only getting what ye're saying now!! Feckers! That "Let's Exclude Cork from Ireland" Party has really become popular lately hasn't it!! Maybe they'll overtake FF in polls soon. :p

It's late for me, hence the slow brain - or else no doubt it's cos I'm Corkonian.

If you want to be part of southern Ireland that can be arranged
Northern Ireland = 6 counties
Southern Ireland = Cork
Republic or Ireland = Rest of island

round tower huntsman

Pherekydes wrote: »

Kerry, Waterford, bits of Wexford and so on.

and the peoples republic of cork.

KeithAFC

Well it is a different country. Don't see what is the confusion.

mathepac

feelingstressed wrote: »

... So any wonder the Republic of Ireland is called Southern Ireland ...

Constitutionally the country I live in is called Ireland; the Republic of Ireland is a description of the country and the name of the soccer team that represents Ireland.

NoHornJan

It's the Republic of Ireland.
Southern Ireland is south Leinster and Munster.
Norn Iron is Norn Iron.

D-Generate

It gets on my goat when the country is not referred to as Ireland and is called Southern Ireland, the Republic of Ireland or my pet peeve Irish Republic. The BBC in particular are renowned for not referring to Ireland as anything but Irish Republic. Shame they don't recognise the actual name of our country as enshrined in the constitution.

Also the FAI for some unknown reason also adhere to this Republic of Ireland convention. I just can't understand why they don't compete as Ireland.

frenchman

Ireland comprises Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, that was always the case before the random nature of the border was drawn up, long before the 26 counties became independent from the rest of the UK. Slightly ignorant, in my opinion, of the 6 counties of northern ireland to refer to the 26 counties alone as Ireland.. ie Ireland comprises north and south, always has done and it is only since partition that this issue has cropped up.

Where To

RTE constantly refer to Northern Ireland as 'the north' also!!

NO it ain't !!!

fonecrusher1

D-Generate wrote: »

Also the FAI for some unknown reason also adhere to this Republic of Ireland convention. I just can't understand why they don't compete as Ireland.

Because the protestant-Irish football team otherwise known as northern ireland would go nuts!:D

xper

Q:Where is Southern Ireland?
A: In the footnotes of history.

There was briefly an entity formally called "Southern Ireland", referring to the 26 counties of this island that aren't Northern Ireland, but it is a historical curiosity that never really got off the ground. While I am loathe to quote Wikipedia as a reference, this article does explain all quite well ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Ireland


So that's where the phrase originates. As to why some people still refer to this country by that term ... the reasons could be many and varied.

stoneill

frenchman wrote: »

Ireland comprises Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, that was always the case before the random nature of the border was drawn up, long before the 26 counties became independent from the rest of the UK. Slightly ignorant, in my opinion, of the 6 counties of northern ireland to refer to the 26 counties alone as Ireland.. ie Ireland comprises north and south, always has done and it is only since partition that this issue has cropped up.

That would be the Island of Ireland, not the sovereign state you are referring to.

rossie1977

east germany and west germany were another example

cloneslad

Rabble Rabble wrote: »

All of North Korea is to the North of South Korean, the Northern Part of the island of Ireland is in the Republic.

Anyway, just a shorthand, I assume.

No, it's not.

The part between the DMZ and Gaesong (possibly some of gaesong too) in North Korea is further south that parts of seoraksan and a few other places on the east coast which is in the republic of Korea.

the border increases as you go towards the east coast towards seoraksan and sokcho whereas it's quite far down on the west coast, close to seoul.

THall04

A policeman in Newcastle (England) stopped me for a minor traffic offence.

Asked me for my address.
Told him I was from "Waterford ,Ireland"

Cop:....Now....would that be Northern Ireland or Southern Ireland??


I hate the term Southern Ireland so I replied........
.."The Republic of Ireland"......






Cop:....Hmnnnn....Lets-just-call-it.........EIRE

deise48

Links234 wrote: »

It makes me wonder if only people outside south korea call it south korea?

and do chinesse people call it chinesse food or just food

dlofnep

Waterford is in the sunny south-east. We reject any notions of Waterford laying in the south with the likes of Wexford and Caaaark.

[Jackass]

It's the Republic.

The Republic of Ireland.

I suppose it's a nations version of "I didn't spend six years in med school to be called mister, thank you very much!!"

Agricola

No such place. Its Ireland, North South, East and West boy!


Breaks into....a nation once again, a naaaaaaation..........

A Dub in Glasgo

Yeah, if we follow the 'lets not care' people, the most northern part on the island of Ireland is in Southern Ireland!!

It is the same lazy naming convention that claims Ulster is Nothern Ireland

Mint Sauce

D-Generate wrote: »

Also the FAI for some unknown reason also adhere to this Republic of Ireland convention. I just can't understand why they don't compete as Ireland.

Unlike the IRFU (rugby), which covers the whole island of Ireland. The FAI only covers the republic, whislt the IFA (irish football assioation) covers northern Ireland. An island of Ireland football team is one big hot potato, can of worms, debated to bits discussion, also has futher implications involving UEFA, FIFA and the releavent olympic councils if was to be restuctured.

As for southern Ireland, it confuses some un educated or ignorant people who beleive northern and southern Ireland are seperated geographically, as if there is a line running just north of dublin from the east to the west coast spliting the island in two. The amount of people when i tell my family is from Donegal, who immediatly respond along the lines of, or very ocasionally try and argue that their from northern Ireland. Even after you draw them a sketch of the outline of the island and point out the boarder, and try and explain that north and south is a political name/describtion, rather than a geographical one. To wind them up a little further you can always add that parts of Donegal are even further north than northern Ireland.

lugha

D-Generate wrote: »

It gets on my goat when the country is not referred to as Ireland and is called Southern Ireland, the Republic of Ireland or my pet peeve Irish Republic.

Surely many countries have many popular names for self-reference (e.g. the US, the US of A, the united states, the states, America, though presumably only one of these is the proper term).
It is really just pedantic to be making an issue over this, unless there is a meaningful (i.e. present day) political implication of your term of choice. Thus my only problem is with 26 counties.

And whilst "Ireland" has got accuracy going for it, it is rather ambiguous. If you mention Ireland in many contexts, you will likely be asked if you mean the whole island or just the republic.

mathepac

THall04 wrote: »

... Cop:....Hmnnnn....Lets-just-call-it.........EIRE

Ahhh, what a lovely story. He'd kept all the stamps from the cards his Granny in Cork had sent him over the years.

[Jackass] wrote: »

It's the Republic.

The Republic of Ireland. ...

Read the Constitution Jackass.

lugha

THall04 wrote: »

Cop:....Hmnnnn....Lets-just-call-it.........EIRE

And that would be one righteous and right on cop! Eire is a perfectly proper name to use to refer to the Southern Irish state and it is favoured much more in the UK than here. Though, apparently that term was used in a sneering way by some English types in the past, for some reason.

dlofnep

[Jackass] wrote: »

It's the Republic.

The Republic of Ireland.

That is the description of the state. The official name is Ireland or Éire.

moonpurple

eire is written on our stamps
how surprising can it be to encounter foreignors using it

in 2010 I could not give a sheet about the attitude of some english person
ryanair is one of many reasons why we over fly the uk and their shortcomings
head to the US brother where your irishness is an advantage

number10a

moonpurple wrote: »

eire is written on our stamps
how surprising can it be to encounter foreignors using it

But the thing is that it's usually only one bunch of foreigners who use Éire. Ever heard an American or an Australian using it?? We don't go around saying España, Polska or Deutschland now do we? It's only right to say Éire when you're speaking in Irish.

Pherekydes

round tower huntsman wrote: »

and the peoples republic of cork.

Nah, that's a separate republic, as they're so fond of telling us.

hbr

Pherekydes wrote: »

Kerry, Waterford, bits of Wexford and so on.

What about Cork boy?

I think Malin Head is in Southern Ireland too.

Agricola

Like all things in Irish politics its abit of a grey area.

To people living in the 26 counties, southern Ireland would be everywhere below a line from Limerick to Wexford.
To people living in the 6 counties, its the 26 counties.
To 99% of foreigners, and people who have no affiliation with anything Irish, Ireland is Ireland from shore to shore. "What... you mean those darned Brits still have a stake in it, those fcúkers!"
To the British, Southern Ireland aka the Irish Republic is that land of militant yet loveable rogues who went and left the United Kingdom and is distinctly different from that other place that they own, yet care little about, Northern Ireland.

Christ, it must be some head bender for a foreigner to grasp!

Pherekydes

hbr wrote: »

What about Cork boy?

I think Malin Head is in Southern Ireland too.

If you lived in Berwick you wouldn't say you lived in Southern England, would you?

And the Republic of Cork is a separate entity. They don't count it (as part of Ireland), so we don't count it.

When they crawl back up here and beg our forgiveness, and hail Dublin as the real capital we might consider letting them back in.