Is John Gormley the Goverments self destruct button?

Voltex · 10-09-2010 06:26PM #1

I really think the Goverment should gag this idiot before he does anymore damage.

So since the recession really kicked in and people of this country have taken wage cuts, increases in personal taxation, massive job losses, commited to taking on a National debt that will surpass the working lives of our grandchildren he has come out with the following:

banning of tradtional bulbs in exchange for the really expensieve ones.
increases in ESB charges
increases in bin charges
restrictions on the use of commercial vehicles for private use
kyboshing the only realistic method of us disposing of the 300 million tonnes of crap we produce every year
and now he expects us to accept water charges.

I think the media have identified this guy as the Goverments self destruct button...so they keep niggling at him to see if he really does bring the house down!

mikom · 10-09-2010 06:30PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKUOB8MN4Kc

Einhard · 10-09-2010 06:51PM

banning of tradtional bulbs in exchange for the really expensieve ones.

Banning of outdated, energy guzzling light bulbs in exchange for energy efficent, environmentally friendly alternatives.

increases in ESB charges

He doesn't increase the charges. There's an independent regulator which assesses that. And untility prices have come down over the past few years. Now the carbon tax is another matter, but then he is a GREEN minister, and it was part of the GREEN manifesto.

increases in bin charges

He has no power over this.

restrictions on the use of commercial vehicles for private use

Enforcing existing legislation more like. What's the point in drafting laws if you don't enforece them?

kyboshing the only realistic method of us disposing of the 300 million tonnes of crap we produce every year

Agree with this. But he's a politican and wants to get elected the next time around. His constituents have to share the blame too.

and now he expects us to accept water charges.

Practically every other EU country has water charges. You want free water? Go down to your local river with a saucepan and collect some for yourself. You want clean, trated water, free from ****, you'll have to pay for it.

Cookie_Monster · 10-09-2010 06:54PM

Einhard wrote: »

[/LIST]Banning of outdated, energy guzzling light bulbs in exchange for energy efficent, environmentally friendly alternatives.
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oh, you and your sensible post...
ruining the rabble rabble rabble of it all

R0ot · 10-09-2010 06:57PM

He's a green what do you expect?

johnmcdnl · 10-09-2010 07:02PM

well at least the green party will never be elected again for as long as I live after this showing - they had there moment and proved that everyone bar the tree huggers were right about them

The water charges is the only one I'd agree with - in fairness - most people in the countryside already pay for private water schemes so it's only fair that city folk pay for their water too - after all it's not free to clean and treat the water and might help conserve water if people actually think before turning the tap on

mikemac · 10-09-2010 07:05PM

People in rural areas often get zero help from the council for water.

Pay contributions to a group scheme or install, service and power your own pump.

Water isn't free, it has to be treated and pumped. But people in cities, towns and villages somehow think they are exempt

Einhard · 10-09-2010 07:06PM

johnmcdnl wrote: »

well at least the green party will never be elected again for as long as I live after this showing - they had there moment and proved that everyone bar the tree huggers were right about them

You planning on dying before the next election? The Green Party, unlike the PDs, have a core base of supporters. They'll be badly hit in the next election, but they won't be wiped out, as some political fetishists are wont to believe.

flutered · 10-09-2010 07:08PM

heres hoping that he will bring them down,
on the bulbs issue, tesco are selling them for a euro each,
on water charges, most people living in the country are paying them, i was paying them 30 years ago,
on the waste, he is almost the biggest waste of space we have, he put the price of incenreration sky high, yet in 2 years time we have to have incenderation according to eu rules,
it looks like he has learned quite a bit from his partners in political grime, giving substance to the old adage that if you sleep with dogs you are likely to pick up their fleas.

sligopark · 10-09-2010 08:14PM

No doubt Gormley is a <snip> forcing his religious beliefs upon us but as for self destruct button for the government how about callely cowan and the rest of the cowardly greedy members of fianna fail

Voltex · 10-09-2010 09:45PM

Einhard wrote: »

[/LIST]Banning of outdated, energy guzzling light bulbs in exchange for energy efficent, environmentally friendly alternatives. He doesn't increase the charges. There's an independent regulator which assesses that. And untility prices have come down over the past few years. Now the carbon tax is another matter, but then he is a GREEN minister, and it was part of the GREEN manifesto. He has no power over this. Enforcing existing legislation more like. What's the point in drafting laws if you don't enforece them? Agree with this. But he's a politican and wants to get elected the next time around. His constituents have to share the blame too. Practically every other EU country has water charges. You want free water? Go down to your local river with a saucepan and collect some for yourself. You want clean, trated water, free from ****, you'll have to pay for it.

On lightbulbs...its all good in principle and during normal economic conditions....but we are in a severe financial crisis, where we need people spending again in a normal manner, the last thing we need is a tit with a green hat on making noises about us being forced to buy lightbulbs that are traditionally far more expensieve.
On ESB...thats a 5% to subsidise totally inefficent bog burning. Why has his colleague Eamon Ryan not pulled rank on why the interconnector to Britian is costing €300 million when a private company has costed an interconnector to France for €120 million?
As for our utility prices...they were 30% higher than the rest of Europes before the recession...so if they have come down by 30%...we are where Europe was 2 1/2 years ago and when oil was trading @ $140 a barrel...so not something to harp on about.
As for the existing legislation on commercials....did you know its actually illegal to dance before midnight on the sabbath in the UK?...and thats a law still on the Statute Books. The Law is the Law..I agree...but maybe one should think before they speak...how would you enforce that law? what defines working for the self employed?
The incinerator issue....did you know that in Vienna...the city's incinerator sits cheek to jowl with a hospital and has no issue.
On water rates...id say the same thing as with the light bulbs...these sort of announcements need to be made tactfully and with the political climate considered. we,ve been battered this week with the Bond Yield issue...Anglo...McCarthy talkin about taking 5 big ones outta the economy at the budget. Jesus all the man needs is a feckin newspaper and a decent P.R guy!!

Cookie_Monster · 10-09-2010 09:50PM

Voltex wrote: »

On lightbulbs...its all good in principle and during normal economic conditions....but we are in a severe financial crisis, where we need people spending again in a normal manner, the last thing we need is a tit with a green hat on making noises about us being forced to buy lightbulbs that are traditionally far more expensieve.

learn to write in paragraphs.

I got 5 of them for a fiver in woodies the other day and they use much much less electricity so actually save you money you know

danbohan · 10-09-2010 09:54PM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

oh, you and your sensible post...
ruining the rabble rabble rabble of it all

sensible and greens , you sure about this ??

squod · 10-09-2010 10:17PM

Building incinerators
Raising taxes
Supporting a corrupt government.

Terry · 10-09-2010 10:18PM

Einhard wrote: »

Practically every other EU country has water charges. You want free water? Go down to your local river with a saucepan and collect some for yourself. You want clean, trated water, free from ****, you'll have to pay for it.

I agree with everything you said apart from this.
Water is the most essential thing that people need in order to stave off death.
Nobody should ever have to pay for it.

I'm becoming more and more conservative as I get older, but water should never have a price on it. I don't think I will ever change my mind on that.

Yeah, the government puts money into cleaning it, but that's what taxes are for.
I don't care that other EU countries pay for clean water.
The term "other EU countries do x" is bandied about too much when it comes to criticism of our government. It's valid at times, but to use it to justify charging for the most essential need of human beings is just retarded.

messymess · 10-09-2010 10:22PM

Einhard wrote:

You want free water? Go down to your local river with a saucepan and collect some for yourself. You want clean, trated water, free from ****, you'll have to pay for it.

We do, it's called PAYE.

SeaFields · 10-09-2010 10:23PM

Nobody mentioned carbon tax? 5c on petrol and diesel. :mad: They get enough vat and duty off it as it is.

mohawk · 10-09-2010 10:30PM

Einhard wrote: »

[/LIST]
And untility prices have come down over the past few years.

we pay more for electricity then most of europe. If we want more jobs our costs have to come down.

Now for the AH portion of my post. If he is the self-destruct button would someone press it already!!! KaBoom

SeaFields · 10-09-2010 10:41PM

mohawk wrote: »

If he is the self-destruct button would someone press it already!!! KaBoom

It is pressed by giving him a firm kick in the hole. So you know what to do when you see him cycling past!

mconigol · 10-09-2010 10:48PM

Here's my theory on the light bulbs....

Good old incandescent bulbs generate light with heat as a by-product. (or should that be the other way round :-P) This heat has been heating our homes for years (albeit only a little).

This heat is lost when an energy efficient bulb is used instead.....

So to replace the heat lost from the bulb we're probably turning up our thermostats or leaving the heating on that bit longer now without realising it...therefore we're probably burning more oil to replace the heat we were getting from the bulb....small but it all adds up

also...energy efficient bulbs suck....it's like replacing a fireplace with a storage heater....just not the same :mad:

anyway the moral of the story is Gormley is an idiot and I can't wait to see him get turfed out

bytey · 10-09-2010 11:10PM

hes fcuked , the greens will be ravaged beyond recognition
end of story .

opinion guy · 10-09-2010 11:12PM

Voltex wrote: »

On lightbulbs...its all good in principle and during normal economic conditions....but we are in a severe financial crisis, where we need people spending again in a normal manner, the last thing we need is a tit with a green hat on making noises about us being forced to buy lightbulbs that are traditionally far more expensieve.

I know! And the light bulb industry is such an important part of the Irish economy.....:rolleyes:

reprazant · 10-09-2010 11:16PM

So John Gormley is so powerful that he managed to enforce a Europe wide ban on the old lightbulbs?

Oh no, wait, it was actually the EU that did that. Yet for some reason, he is being blamed for the laws the EU pass.

I guess that is what ignorance is called.

I also like that he is getting blamed for the councils raising the bin charges.

Voltex · 10-09-2010 11:32PM

opinion guy wrote: »

I know! And the light bulb industry is such an important part of the Irish economy.....:rolleyes:[/QUOTE
with a CPI runing at -2%...anyone asking for people to pay more for anything deserves the wrath of ignorance!!

Voltex · 10-09-2010 11:34PM

reprazant wrote: »

So John Gormley is so powerful that he managed to enforce a Europe wide ban on the old lightbulbs?

Oh no, wait, it was actually the EU that did that. Yet for some reason, he is being blamed for the laws the EU pass.

I guess that is what ignorance is called.

I also like that he is getting blamed for the councils raising the bin charges.

...and what was the rational for the increase in bin chrages???????
O sh it yeah..the increased cost of landfill!!!!
shouldda just put a match to that pile!

Dartz · 10-09-2010 11:37PM

A green minister who's only good for stopping bullets before they hit the wall. What's new?

He's trying desperately to be seen to be doing something to justify his cabinet position, and in the process announcing to the world why he shouldn't have it.

Also... big old lightbulbs make for a nice resistive load on the national grid, which helps stabilise things. CFL bulbs are bastards for reactive power and the like.

They only work for a certain part of the electricity waveform... which is great for the customer, but a pain for the generator and supplier.

reprazant · 10-09-2010 11:43PM

Voltex wrote: »

...and what was the rational for the increase in bin chrages???????
O sh it yeah..the increased cost of landfill!!!!
shouldda just put a match to that pile!

I guess you would have no problem with an incinerator beside your house?

Voltex · 10-09-2010 11:44PM

Dartz wrote: »

They only work for a certain part of the electricity waveform... which is great for the customer, but a pain for the generator and supplier.

reads a bit like a Stephan Hawking book...but i guess you reckon they aint orth s hite?

Dartz · 10-09-2010 11:48PM

Voltex wrote: »

reads a bit like a Stephan Hawking book...but i guess you reckon they aint orth s hite?

They're not a perfect solution.

LED's are better.

messymess · 10-09-2010 11:50PM

reprazant wrote: »

So John Gormley is so powerful that he managed to enforce a Europe wide ban on the old lightbulbs?

Oh no, wait, it was actually the EU that did that. Yet for some reason, he is being blamed for the laws the EU pass.

I guess that is what ignorance is called.

I also like that he is getting blamed for the councils raising the bin charges.

If I'm not mistaken he tried to ban the sale of incandescent lightbulbs a number of years ago but the EU stopped him on anti-competitive grounds.

AckwelFoley · 10-09-2010 11:51PM

Einhard wrote: »

[/LIST]Banning of outdated, energy guzzling light bulbs in exchange for energy efficent, environmentally friendly alternatives.
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...the new energy saver bulbs dont last pissing time, so in the lifetime of the old bulb you need to replace the new ones 3 times more.. killing the planet

Einhard wrote: »

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[/LIST]He doesn't increase the charges. There's an independent regulator which assesses that. And untility prices have come down over the past few years. Now the carbon tax is another matter, but then he is a GREEN minister, and it was part of the GREEN manifesto.
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Which with such a small national vote i wish he stick his manifest up his brown hole

Einhard wrote: »

Enforcing existing legislation more like. What's the point in drafting laws if you don't enforece them?
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Reality and cop on is important too. The reality that people cannot affort 2 vehicles now, one for work and one to drive to mass or school, and the cop on to leave well enough alone when people are hurting

Einhard wrote: »

[/LIST][/LIST]Agree with this. But he's a politican and wants to get elected the next time around. His constituents have to share the blame too.
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What happened to for the the greater cause. Hes another jackie healy ray then with better personal hygiene?

Is John Gormley the Goverments self destruct button?

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