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RyanAir to scrap Co-Pilots

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  • #62
    syklops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    jesusinaglanza wrote: »
    O'leary...that little twirp...Always trying something to get Ryanair news coverage. :rolleyes:

    No i would not feel safe at all, his "cabin crew" can barely speak english. What if the pilot falls ill, we are expected to have Xynanxrk from poland land the plane...i think not.

    On a 45-minute flight from Dublin to London Stanstead, the pilot would have to get very sick very quickly to be unable to land the plane.


  • #63
    stovelid
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    My name is URL wrote: »
    It was only a publicity stunt - http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0908/ryanair.html

    What a genius he is.. we should make him president, and teeshock and pope and stuff /s

    He "get the country working" wouldn't he?

    Although all I'd be working in this eventuality would be a stout piece of rope and a stool.


  • #64
    Sanjuro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    Ryanair to scrap airplanes. New fleet of catapults will see passangers reach destination. Or not. Depending on what wind resistance there is on that particular day.


  • #65
    giant_midget
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    syklops wrote: »
    On a 45-minute flight from Dublin to London Stanstead, the pilot would have to get very sick very quickly to be unable to land the plane.

    I get what you are saying, It was just one of many things that could or could'nt happen. I would feel sick if i had to look at all the yellow on those planes day in day out. cabin crew should be kept to what they know best, serving cans of soft drink and coffee and tea...don't want to confuse them with more work than that.


  • #66
    DeVore
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    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    Why would he do that? He deserves every penny he earns, the man is a business genius no matter what personal feelings people have toward him. He almost single handily changed air travel so that it is accessible to everyone.
    Please explain the "business genius" of Mr O'Leary to me.


    He lowered prices and raised the cost of everything else around it. Every cinema owner in the country has been a "business genius" then.

    Mr O'Leary's business brilliance is in realising that if you charge people less, more will buy??? Really?


    DeV.


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  • #67
    giant_midget
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    DeVore wrote: »
    Please explain the "business genius" of Mr Ryan to me.


    He lowered prices and raised the cost of everything else around it. Every cinema owner in the country has been a "business genius" then.

    Mr Ryans brilliance is in realising that if you charge people less, more will buy??? Really?


    DeV.

    who's Mr Ryan? do you mean Mr O'leary?


  • #68
    DeVore
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    What would happen if the plane was about to crash and right at that very moment...someone wanted to buy a scratch card!?! Oh the huge manatee.

    DeV.


  • #69
    DeVore
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    jesusinaglanza wrote: »
    who's Mr Ryan? do you mean Mr O'leary?
    D'oh, I was thinking of that other "person" I didnt like.

    DeV.


  • #70
    syklops
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    DeVore wrote: »
    Please explain the "business genius" of Mr O'Leary to me.


    He lowered prices and raised the cost of everything else around it. Every cinema owner in the country has been a "business genius" then.

    Mr O'Leary's business brilliance is in realising that if you charge people less, more will buy??? Really?


    DeV.

    Not any Irish cinemas I have been to in the past 10 years. The last one I went to charged me a tenner to watch the movie. Thats more than I paid to Fly from Prague to Dublin.


  • #71
    DeVore
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    Did you buy a sandwich and drink on the way? cos if you did, there's your tenner.

    Did you not pay airport taxes? Carry any luggage? etc etc.

    Dont by his hype, he's nothing special.

    DeV.


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  • #72
    Logical Fallacy
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    DeVore wrote: »
    What would happen if the plane was about to crash and right at that very moment...someone wanted to buy a scratch card!?! Oh the huge manatee.

    DeV.

    I assume the default prize would be a chance to perform an emergency landing.

    Awesomes.


  • #73
    Blazer
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    chughes wrote: »
    I wonder how many 1 euro flights he could subsidise if he reduced his own salary to an average of what he pays his Ryanair staff ?

    I bet he hasn't thought of that as a way of saving the company money :rolleyes:

    actually O'Leary has cut his pay twice since he didn't meet the board's targets. I think in 2008-2009..I know it was 2 years in a row.
    Show me another CEO who's done this? and compare it to the head of the ESB.

    http://www.shane-ross.ie/archives/778/esb-boss-fails-oleary-test/


    MoL is a genius in my opinion...brilliant at running Ryanair and by god he can drum up some PR for the company whether good or bad....
    So he wants to charge people for baggage, use the toilet, big deal I say...if it results in cheaper flights then I'm all for it...unlike some píssheads on a plane I'm not running to the jacks every 30 minutes..
    Sure he comes out with some outlandish claims but it's all a publicity stunt...plus like him or not at least he's here in Ireland paying his taxes.


  • #74
    DeVore
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    I pay my taxes here too. You dont get credit for doing what you are supposed to do.

    DeV.


  • #75
    Blazer
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    DeVore wrote: »
    I pay my taxes here too. You dont get credit for doing what you are supposed to do.

    DeV.

    you do if you do it well...and MoL does a great job running Ryanair..I don't think anyone can deny this.
    I reason I mention taxes is too many artists (lol) quit Ireland to avoid paying taxes so MoL should be congratulated for refusing to do so and paying his full share of taxes.


  • #76
    pebbles21
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    karlog wrote: »
    Obviously a publicity stunt. You cant train a woman to land a plane.

    Once they put a rear view mirror in the cockpit for putting on the make-up,they will be fine :D


  • #77
    General Zod
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    Sc@recrow wrote: »
    actually O'Leary has cut his pay twice since he didn't meet the board's targets. I think in 2008-2009..I know it was 2 years in a row.
    Show me another CEO who's done this? and compare it to the head of the ESB.

    http://www.shane-ross.ie/archives/778/esb-boss-fails-oleary-test/


    MoL is a genius in my opinion...brilliant at running Ryanair and by god he can drum up some PR for the company whether good or bad....
    So he wants to charge people for baggage, use the toilet, big deal I say...if it results in cheaper flights then I'm all for it...unlike some píssheads on a plane I'm not running to the jacks every 30 minutes..
    Sure he comes out with some outlandish claims but it's all a publicity stunt...plus like him or not at least he's here in Ireland paying his taxes.


    Charging you for baggage does not lower the cost of prices to you. prices were already at that level.

    Charging to use the toilet does not lower prices.

    live check-in charges, baggage taxes, priority boarding charges, all these do not lower cost of ticket to you, they simply go towards paying Ryanairs operating costs. He was able to give flights away before the addidional charges he has introduced in the last 3 years.

    And if he's such a business genius, why did he lock Ryanair into paying $120 a barrel of oil for several years at peak prices which cost his company millions?


  • #78
    axer
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    DeVore wrote: »
    Please explain the "business genius" of Mr O'Leary to me.
    He brought Ryanair from an unprofitable airline with two routes and two airplanes carrying 82,000 passengers a year to being one of the largest airlines in the world carrying 60m+ passengers. He brought the low cost model of airtravel to europe and has made a huge success. Is that enough?


  • #79
    Pherekydes
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    Sc@recrow wrote: »
    ...plus like him or not at least he's here in Ireland paying his taxes.

    Didn't he buy a taxi and try to drive in the bus lanes without having a PSV licence a few years back? ;)

    Don't like him or his airline. The last time I had a choice I flew AF to CDG instead of Ryanair to Beauvais. Sure it cost more, but I didn't have to get up at 4 am and the bus to EuroDisney was a lot cheaper. Thems the extras you don't realise you have to pay for with Ryanair. (Of course, you could stay in Beauvais for the weekend.)


  • #80
    stovelid
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    I do boycott Ryanair where possible, not least because of their treatment of staff and his antics, but I'm not getting on a soap box about it. And I would fly them if I had no other option but thankfully I've usually managed to fly with other carriers even if it costs more.

    For me, the most aggressive supporters of the low-cost/no-frills model appear to be young, light/short travelers with access to the Internet (this also makes them the most vocal supporters online) and who are prepared to fly to inconvenient satellite locations around their real destination. Which is fair enough and Ryanair have obviously stung other airlines to race to the bottom to adopt this model too.

    Problem is that a lot of travelers - with families or other luggage requirements for example - don't really benefit because of the add-ons. And furthermore, a large proportion of the aggressively proselytizing no-frills/low-cost flyers might find themselves badly serviced (when they are older or with families) by a cost model that they themselves have done much to usher in. You won't always want to fly with zero luggage/no kids etc to a airport 50 miles away from your location, basically.

    That's not a dig a MOL: he saw an opening and jumped on it and he's made a lot of money (again, no issue with that) but I do have to take exception to the frequent trumpeting about his 'genius', especially as relates to marketing. My hunch is that his business succeeds despite his often mean-spirited and embarrassing outbursts, not because of them.

    And the minute he can't provide cheap flights for his target (young/cost-conscious/short-haul/light) travelers, all his "publicity" in the world won't be worth a fig.


  • #81
    jimmycrackcorm
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    DeVore wrote: »
    Did you buy a sandwich and drink on the way? cos if you did, there's your tenner.

    Did you not pay airport taxes? Carry any luggage? etc etc.

    Dont by his hype, he's nothing special.

    DeV.

    4 of us flew return to the UK for a grand total of €54 last week. I'll see your hype and match it with the change left in my wallet.


    Anyway MOL has a point about the co-pilot. A train only needs a single driver even if it carries as many people as a plane. Of course those things travel on tracks and so will never crash.


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  • #82
    syklops
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    DeVore wrote: »
    Did you buy a sandwich and drink on the way? cos if you did, there's your tenner.

    Did you not pay airport taxes? Carry any luggage? etc etc.

    Dont by his hype, he's nothing special.

    DeV.

    Airport taxes are charged and paid to the government, not ryanair. No, I didn't bring luggage apart from my carry on, and I bought a G & T which came to about 5.50. So I paid 15.50 to Ryanair for a flight from Prague to Dublin. I paid 20 in the cinema when I bought coke and popcorn.


  • #83
    DeVore
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    So do you deduct Vat and Duty from your daily purchases too??


    Oh and as for trains, they have dead man switches so they come to a stop if the driver is incapacitated. They tend not to nose dive into the earth within minutes either and are a lot simpler to control "go forward ... brake".

    I asked how O'Leary is a "business genius" and got a bunch of hooey about "my mate got a cheap flight".

    DeV.


  • #84
    Logical Fallacy
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    DeVore wrote: »
    Oh and as for trains, they have dead man switches so they come to a stop if the driver is incapacitated. They tend not to nose dive into the earth within minutes either and are a lot simpler to control "go forward ... brake".

    Trains are a tad more complicated that that Dev. You also need to be up to date on the latest "dead cow" and "wet leaves" removal techniques and it takes a good 12 weeks phonetics training to be able to garble messages badly enough to be considered acceptable by IR.


  • #85
    axer
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    DeVore wrote: »
    I asked how O'Leary is a "business genius" and got a bunch of hooey about "my mate got a cheap flight".
    Did you miss my post?
    axer wrote: »
    He brought Ryanair from an unprofitable airline with two routes and two airplanes carrying 82,000 passengers a year to being one of the largest airlines in the world carrying 60m+ passengers. He brought the low cost model of airtravel to europe and has made a huge success. Is that enough?


  • #86
    Bjorn Bored.
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    Wouldnt think this will happen,he will lose more business that savings gained.


  • #87
    magicianz
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    Or if he was actually smart he'd train the co-pilot to be a steward/stewardess instead ofthe otherway around >.> training a pilot costs more than a stewardess I imagine.....

    Also why bother having stewards, just need 1 behind a counter, make the passangers get their own damn food!


  • #88
    Wagon
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    If I could afford more than Ryanair, i would. Flew with Lufthansa this year (courtisy of my cousins air miles which he was never going to use, legend) and nearly crapped my pants when i learned I didn't have to pay for the food on board. the stewardesses are also better looking, there was no hidden costs when booking the thing apperently. THAT was flying. Ryanair is like being thrown across Europe in a plastic bottle. It gets you there, but it's never a pleasure.


  • #89
    axer
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    Wagon wrote: »
    If I could afford more than Ryanair, i would. Flew with Lufthansa this year (courtisy of my cousins air miles which he was never going to use, legend) and nearly crapped my pants when i learned I didn't have to pay for the food on board. the stewardesses are also better looking, there was no hidden costs when booking the thing apperently. THAT was flying. Ryanair is like being thrown across Europe in a plastic bottle. It gets you there, but it's never a pleasure.
    Its never a pleasure on Bus Eireann or CityLink buses either and Ryanair is more comfortable than both of them so that is why I wonder why people need more "comfort" than Ryanair are offering? You could buy all the Ryanair extra's and still come in much cheaper than full service airlines. Flying hotels are a waste of money when all you need is a flying bus i.e. Ryanair et al.


  • #90
    General Zod
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    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    Anyway MOL has a point about the co-pilot. A train only needs a single driver even if it carries as many people as a plane. Of course those things travel on tracks and so will never crash.

    I'd happy to have a single train driver on a train equipped with a dead man's brake. If the driver faints, the train stops. which is an ideal situation for a train to be in if noone is there to drive it.

    Quite a difference from a plane.


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  • #91
    Krusader
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    axer wrote: »
    He brought Ryanair from an unprofitable airline with two routes and two airplanes carrying 82,000 passengers a year to being one of the largest airlines in the world carrying 60m+ passengers. He brought the low cost model of airtravel to europe and has made a huge success. Is that enough?


    Don't forget he had help from the Irish government, which if he didn't get, he would of went under in the '80s


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