Citizens Arrest

jamieh · 05-09-2010 01:51AM #1

Hi all,

After someone trying to arrest Tony Blair in Easons under 'citizens arrest' (only in Ireland :rolleyes:)...can someone explain exactly what citizens arrest is?

Can we all just go around arresting each other or wha?

Wolfe Tone · 05-09-2010 01:52AM

I am the law.

danger mouse · 05-09-2010 02:00AM

Pfft if you see someone committing a crime under Irish law you have the right to use minimal force to hold him or her until police arrive. bonkers law that private security companies follow with shop lifters and the like, but with great detriment sometimes. As they can be sued easily if the perp knows basic 1st year law....

antocann · 05-09-2010 02:01AM

here you go op http://tinyurl.com/2uccaf5

next time try iy your self

:P:P:P:P

baalthor · 05-09-2010 02:02AM

For certain crimes, a citizen can detain a suspect until the police arrive. I think the crime had to have just been committed.

starbelgrade · 05-09-2010 02:04AM

Do the laws of citizen's arrest apply to fashion crimes?

ItsAWindUp · 05-09-2010 02:05AM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I am the law.

And you can't beat the law.

greenmachine88 · 05-09-2010 02:05AM

He'll just wmd your ass

Wolfe Tone · 05-09-2010 02:06AM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Do the laws of citizen's arrest apply to fashion crimes?

Only if said fashion crime is to be naked in a playground.

Not a good look. Gok Won does not endorse that style.

stovelid · 05-09-2010 02:06AM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Do the laws of citizen's arrest apply to fashion crimes?

I wasn't there but the chances of the arresters wearing non-risible clothes were frankly a little slim, let's be honest.

KeithM89_old · 05-09-2010 02:07AM

I kinda made a citizens arrest the other day, i just didnt have any handcuffs, gun, aviators or witty catchphrase

KungPao · 05-09-2010 02:08AM

The Citizen cannot be arrested.

orourkeda · 05-09-2010 02:10AM

I'd bleedin' batter 'im

Junco Partner · 05-09-2010 02:11AM

it's the adult version of tag.

KungPao · 05-09-2010 02:11AM

Imagine a citizens arrest on Charles Bronson!

Would not end well.

Adyx · 05-09-2010 06:46AM

Q. What did the policeman say to his stomach?
A. You're under a vest!

Aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh haaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

Gary4279 · 05-09-2010 09:11AM

Weh Weh Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh

Caoimhín · 05-09-2010 09:21AM

Trying to make a citizens arrest is simply begging for trouble. Walk away, forget about it and go for a nice lunch with a pretty girl instead.

galwayrush · 05-09-2010 09:30AM

It's only useful for someone's ego providing they get to brag about it (the usually failed attempt) with the media or on v.

old_aussie · 05-09-2010 09:31AM

Citizens Arrest is only lawful where a felony has been committed.

omahaid · 05-09-2010 09:47AM

IIRC you can't just arrest someone for any crime, it has to be a crime of a serious nature (warranting a large prison term) so you really do need to become Judge Dredd as you need to sentence the person before arresting them

(Big IIRC here, could be 100% incorrect)

Pacing Mule · 05-09-2010 10:50AM

danger mouse wrote: »

Pfft if you see someone committing a crime under Irish law you have the right to use minimal force to hold him or her until police arrive. bonkers law that private security companies follow with shop lifters and the like, but with great detriment sometimes. As they can be sued easily if the perp knows basic 1st year law....

It's following that logic that gets them sued. You can't legally perform a citizens arrest on a shop lifter. It would be false imprisonment.

Logical Fallacy · 05-09-2010 11:04AM

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

It's following that logic that gets them sued. You can't legally perform a citizens arrest on a shop lifter. It would be false imprisonment.

Actually, this is incorrect.

Once someone has left the last point of possible purchase (that is to say, the premises ), they may be approached and asked to return to the shop. You can tell them you suspect them of shoplifting as defined under the Criminal Justice Act 2001 (under which shoplifting is punishable by up to 10 years), neatly invoking the right to Citizens Arrest.

"An arrest other than by a member of the Garda Síochána may be effected by a person under subsection (3) only where the person, with reasonable cause, suspects that the person to be arrested by him or her would otherwise attempt to avoid, or is avoiding, arrest by a member of the Garda Síochána."

Pawpad666 · 05-09-2010 11:46AM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I am the law.

The law is an ass. :P

Nodin · 05-09-2010 11:52AM

jamieh wrote: »

Hi all,

After someone trying to arrest Tony Blair in Easons under 'citizens arrest' (only in Ireland :rolleyes:)...

Its an english mans idea.
http://www.arrestblair.org/

gerrycollins · 05-09-2010 11:54AM

dont you have to witness the crime to make a citizens arrest?

SeaFields · 05-09-2010 11:56AM

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Once someone has left the last point of possible purchase (that is to say, the premises ), they may be approached and asked to return to the shop.

As a matter of interest I see this frequently in the retail environment I work in....the suspected shoplifter leaves the shop and the security guard and store detective grab him/her and physically drag him/her into the security room without any communication taking place.

Is that assault?

Logical Fallacy · 05-09-2010 12:08PM

SeaFields wrote: »

As a matter of interest I see this frequently in the retail environment I work in....the suspected shoplifter leaves the shop and the security guard and store detective grab him/her and physically drag him/her into the security room without any communication taking place.

Is that assault?

Obviously without being full appraised of the a particular set of circumstances it is hard to speak in black and white terms. Generally speaking it is considered best practice to ask the person to return to the store, however from a business point of view this is normally done purely as a way to reduce any negative effects of a possible false arrest.

Grabbing a person could be either a Section 2 ( if no physical damage is made ) or a Section 3 (physical bruising, slight scrapping ) assault. It has been my experience that an offender will often use such an occurrence to negate their own crime but that this would very rarely hold up.

The simple fact of the matter is that normally the request to return to the store is met with three outcomes,

1) The person agrees
2) The person turns violent
3) The person runs

Even if the security guard were to announce the action they are taking as a Citizens Arrest it would largely cover all the angles. I am very surprised that such a thing wouldn't happen if i am honest.

Minstrel27 · 05-09-2010 12:13PM

jamieh wrote: »

Hi all,

After someone trying to arrest Tony Blair in Easons under 'citizens arrest' (only in Ireland :rolleyes:)...can someone explain exactly what citizens arrest is?

Can we all just go around arresting each other or wha?

Actually I am almost posititve that people do citizens arrests all over the world. Isn't there a group in the UK who say they will arrest the pope on his visit. So it is very much not (only in Ireland :rolleyes:)

FreudianSlippers · 05-09-2010 03:14PM

This is literally the dumbest thread I have seen in a while.

Bonito · 05-09-2010 03:18PM

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Actually, this is incorrect.

Once someone has left the last point of possible purchase (that is to say, the premises ), they may be approached and asked to return to the shop. You can tell them you suspect them of shoplifting as defined under the Criminal Justice Act 2001 (under which shoplifting is punishable by up to 10 years), neatly invoking the right to Citizens Arrest.

"An arrest other than by a member of the Garda Síochána may be effected by a person under subsection (3) only where the person, with reasonable cause, suspects that the person to be arrested by him or her would otherwise attempt to avoid, or is avoiding, arrest by a member of the Garda Síochána."

I thought it's only allowed here if the crime committed holds a potential prison stretch if the person is found guilty?

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