Whats the quickest way of emigrating??

Swirls · 04-09-2010 11:16AM

the_dark_side wrote: »

You have an arts degree... why not go and teach english in Asia. Did you look into TEFL? I know alot of people who have done this and loved it. Thats what I would look into....

I agree with this. Use your arts degree. Depending on the country you go to you mightn't even need the TEFL cert. Some organisations will train you (you usually get a TEFL cert) and pay for your flights etc. So you wouldn't need much money to do this... just your arts degree:). Worth looking into - just be careful and find out as much background information about the organisations you apply to in advance, some can be very dodgy.

Good luck.

Liam Byrne · 04-09-2010 11:47AM

amacachi wrote: »

Actually you could just head over the border, that takes what, an hour from leaving a house in Dublin?

What gave you the impression that he's in Dublin ?

He could be 5 mins from the border, or about 10 hours if he's in Dingle or West Cork.

krudler · 04-09-2010 11:53AM

Confab wrote: »

If you think this country is bad feel free to move to Zimbabwe. Typical Irish whinge attitude.

Yes, everyone should be happy with what they've got no matter how crap it is, because theres some villagers in Africa who are worse off, typical Irish naysayer attitude. Stay in you home town OP, live a meaningless existence worrying about what other people think of you, get married to someone who you tolerate for the rest of your life and work until you're 65 before retiring on a piddling pension because our government pissed it all away, dont be thinking about seeing other countries, thats not the Irish way of doing things, be miserable and be happy about it, its what we're best at.

Wagon · 04-09-2010 12:00PM

Confab wrote: »

If you think this country is bad feel free to move to Zimbabwe. Typical Irish whinge attitude.

The chap's father has just died. Can you try and not be a cock?

Gummy Panda · 04-09-2010 12:38PM

OP have you considered the fast pace lifestyle of a rent boy. Meet strange and exotic men, travel the world and be paid large sums of money for as little an hour of your time.

foxinsox · 04-09-2010 12:40PM

Where ever you go, you have to take yourself with you!

From my reading of your post I don't think that now is the time for you to emigrate. I understand things aren't going great for you at the moment but I would say that you have to be happy with yourself and moving country doesn't mean that will change.

I would advise you to look into more options here first. Volunteering is a starting point and at least you wouldn't be stuck at home.

I wouldn't worry about Social Welfare interviews, if you have no money you just have to show them that. Most of those interviews are just a formality that they have to go through.

You mentioned in your post that some days you don't eat? I would be worried about that, I advise you to talk to someone, a professional or a friend that you can confide in.

This is only my personal opinion but it seems to me that leaving the country would not be a positive move for you right now.

Best of luck with whatever you decide to do

Please remember people do care and you'd probably be happily suprised if you did talk to someone about how you are feeling.

edit: I think the army/foreign legion would be the worst option you could take.

mikemac · 04-09-2010 12:45PM

foxinsox wrote: »

Where ever you go, you have to take yourself with you!

What a clever phrase when you think about it

I'm going to use this one in future

foxinsox · 04-09-2010 12:50PM

feelingstressed wrote: »

What a clever phrase when you think about it

I'm going to use this one in future

Your'e welcome to use it.. My mum has it worn out telling me that when I was younger and always running off to different parts of the world!

Nolanger · 04-09-2010 02:22PM

Dave_24irl wrote: »

Volunteering abroad?

You can do that for 5 years and still get credits here, then come back, and claim the dole on those credits, and will not have to do another lousy interview. You must register with Comhlámh and work for a Government or non-Government agency or for the Government of a developing country.

vicecreamsundae · 04-09-2010 02:40PM

^ that's awesome, i never hears about that.

OP, depending on your age you can get a visa to canada which id highly recommend thought it does take a few months to organise. since you have a degree you could also go teach in south korea...you need the cash for your flights but they reimburse you later, your apartment and lunches are free and you get paid a decent wage on top! and they sort you out pretty quickly i believe [google tiger english, an irish company]. thats my backup plan anyway , to get out of here quick sharp if everything goes to crap!

King Felix · 04-09-2010 03:01PM

I wouldn't just go swanning off somewhere without a plan and a definite prospect for work, OP. When you get your dole backdated it might give you a headstart.

The TEFL option looks good. The course is pretty short and then you can take your pick of jobs around the world.

Good luck with whatever you do.

Tchaikovsky · 04-09-2010 03:18PM

Best not to look at 99% of the threads on AH if you're sick of being depressed by the reactionary, scare-mongering Irish media

If you want the definition of ****hole, go to Cambodia, haha! All of their intellectual elite were killed under the Khmer Rouge so you're really scraping the bottom of the gene pool there now.
You'll look at Ireland in a whole different light.

Tchaikovsky · 04-09-2010 03:31PM

If you do go down the TEFL route, OP, I think it would be best to do the full 120-hour training course. It costs a bit but it's so handy in the long-run in terms of getting well-paid jobs, plus you get 6 hours real classroom teaching practice. The skills you learn with the course are great too, plus you'll meet some great people.

I did my course before Christmas, finished college in May, couldn't find work here (Tesco, Dunnes, McDonalds etc) and luckily got a residential teaching course in England for a month; I got around €1500 in the bank and had some great experiences. I'm going to do some voluntary English teaching here with an organisation called Failte Isteach and then I'm geading off to Chile in February. The world is my oyster after that!

Asia is the place to go if you want to make money- they reimburse your flights and you can come out with a couple of thousand euro after food and accomodation etc. Don't just look at South Korea, though; China and Thailand are also excellent destinations. Japan had it's English boom but it would be worth looking into too. There would be lots of places in Europe looking for teachers too- Spain, France, Poland, Ukraine, Czech Rep and Russia in particular.

Best of luck with whatever you decide to do anyway dude!

Dave_24irl · 04-09-2010 03:31PM

Cheers for the replies. Much appreciated!

I guess I am just being a bit self-indulgent. I did work experience for the government during college and to be honest it was a demoralising experience. Many TDs had a poor grasp of the national issues but spent each morning trawling through www.rip.ie to see what constituents had died that day in order to make the funeral and be seen. Most their time was spent in their constituency and when they were in Leinster House they were in the bar with visitors from home, not studying up what needs to be done to haul us out of our debt in a responsible and fair way. I don't blame the players though, I very much blame the game and I honestly believe we will be in a continous cycle of reacting wtf to economic crisis as long as we have a client system of TDs in this country and not an election for national legislators less beholden to visiting the local bar.

That was the beginning of the end for my confidence in our political system and all that has happened since has eroded my faith further that anyone in the higher brass of Irish society has a clue what to do or how to get us out of this mess. The biggest gripe I have is the thought that for the next two generations myself, my friends and family and our children will be paying tax mainly to eradicate a 24 billion (or 35 billion if some are to be believed) debt for a bank which purely financed the rich to inflate the bubble that burst despite countless warnings. It's like a terrible novel come to life.

Anyway, political rant over. I guess sitting at home alone can often make it easy to buy into the negativity and doom and gloom being beamed out on a daily basis. I will from now on not indulge in the negative and focus on the good things. I think I will wait it out for my dole and hope that it is backpayed, sign off and do a TEFL course. I have signed up for First Aid course which is free, my Dad's death made me realise how valuable something like First Aid can be in a emergency and I also called Smart Choice Homeless Shelter and will be feeding the homeless next Tuesday at 9pm. In the meantime I will just count my blessings and hope that it all works out.

Thanks for the replies though, it makes me feel less alone in this world.

Kivaro · 04-09-2010 03:39PM

KevinVonSpiel wrote: »

I think the world is shit everywhere right now.

No, it's not.
It's an early Saturday morning where I live, and as I watched the sun from my balcony rising over the golf-course below me, I (for the upteem time) delighted in my decision to leave your godforsaken country. I imagined what I would be doing in my hometown in Ireland and it was very limited. There is so much for me to do here today, but I will start out with a swim in our resort-style pool, then head for lunch, then head to a local College Football game with 80,000 of my closest friends. There will no knackers or scumbags on my walk to the stadium. There will no over-priced food just because it's game-day. It wont be pissing down rain on my head at any time during the day, and when I head to the pubs after the game, no-one will be falling around drunk or trying to pick a fight with me.

The economy is fine here. My family are begging people to come over here because of the available decent paying jobs. The quality of life is almost Utopian. We are expecting another 2 or 3 months of between 20 to 30 Degrees (C) weather, with hiking, canoeing, and overnight camping planned for the upcoming weekends.

So OP; don't believe that just because it's shite in Ireland, then it must be crap everywhere else also. Someone suggested a ferry to England. Go for it. Beg or borrow the money to get started over there, where you should be able to get some sort of job. SAVE your money and then aim for the place of your dreams. Decide what you want in life. That's what I did. I decided what was most important; quality of life, outdoor lifestyle, no scumbagery, good weather and then I moved there. The job fell into place after a while.

And when posters say to you: don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out ............ well that's the usual Irish begrudgery or lack of incentive to improve their own lives.

bowsie010 · 04-09-2010 04:02PM

Kivaro wrote: »

No, it's not.
It's an early Saturday morning where I live, and as I watched the sun from my balcony rising over the golf-course below me.....

And Where is this Utopia?

KevinVonSpiel · 04-09-2010 04:08PM

bowsie010 wrote: »

And Where is this Utopia?

I think he means the USA... as we know, it's not anything like phucked right now.

bowsie010 · 04-09-2010 04:34PM

KevinVonSpiel wrote: »

I think he means the USA... as we know, it's not anything like phucked right now.

Thanks.
Ha.

CrazyRabbit · 04-09-2010 05:08PM

Royal Irish wrote: »

If your in good shape my advice would be to join a foreign army, like the Royal Irish regiment or the US army. You will have a income and get to see the world.

My sister did this, and has not regretted it. She tried joining the Irish Army, but was declined. Same for the British Army...but they passed her CV and test results to the RAF who recruited her instantly.

She has spent quite some time in Basra and Kandahar, but in relatively safety at the airfields. Now she has a permanent posting in Cyprus. She also met her husband in the RAF and they are happily married 2 years now.

No matter where she has been posted, she has loved every minute of it. I'd be half tempted to do the same, but I'm not very good at taking orders

04-09-2010 05:22PM

Kivaro wrote: »

No, it's not.
It's an early Saturday morning where I live, and as I watched the sun from my balcony rising over the golf-course below me, I (for the upteem time) delighted in my decision to leave your godforsaken country. I imagined what I would be doing in my hometown in Ireland and it was very limited. There is so much for me to do here today, but I will start out with a swim in our resort-style pool, then head for lunch, then head to a local College Football game with 80,000 of my closest friends. There will no knackers or scumbags on my walk to the stadium. There will no over-priced food just because it's game-day. It wont be pissing down rain on my head at any time during the day, and when I head to the pubs after the game, no-one will be falling around drunk or trying to pick a fight with me.

The economy is fine here. My family are begging people to come over here because of the available decent paying jobs. The quality of life is almost Utopian. We are expecting another 2 or 3 months of between 20 to 30 Degrees (C) weather, with hiking, canoeing, and overnight camping planned for the upcoming weekends.

So OP; don't believe that just because it's shite in Ireland, then it must be crap everywhere else also. Someone suggested a ferry to England. Go for it. Beg or borrow the money to get started over there, where you should be able to get some sort of job. SAVE your money and then aim for the place of your dreams. Decide what you want in life. That's what I did. I decided what was most important; quality of life, outdoor lifestyle, no scumbagery, good weather and then I moved there. The job fell into place after a while.

And when posters say to you: don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out ............ well that's the usual Irish begrudgery or lack of incentive to improve their own lives.

Thank God someone finally said it. What's 10,000 times more irritating than Irish people moaning about Ireland is the narrow minded people who think it's 'like that everywhere'. It just isn't. I've lived in 3 countries in the last 2 years and had no problem finding employment. Even here in London, it's nothing like Dublin. All my friends have decent jobs and bars/restaurants/shops are always packed. Feels no different than it did in 2006. But of course, so many Irish people will still insist that Ireland is the best country in the world and that wanting to leave means running away from your problems and other such sh1t. For God's sake, it doesn't have to be Zimbabwe to still have significant problems which make it worthwhile heading off elsewhere for a bit/forever. But of course, Irish people will point out anything they can find to 'prove' that whatever country you live in is as bad as/worse than Ireland. I totally agree with you. OP, ignore the begrudgers. If you want to leave, leave. It doesn't have to be permanent.

melmoth77 · 04-09-2010 05:33PM

Condolonces on your father OP. I think travelling around sounds like a great idea for you, I would also recommend TEFL. There are also other programmes like the JET (cultural ambassador type progs, some of my friends did this and loved it) that you can do with a degree, it may be a little late for that this year:

http://www.jetprogramme.org/index.html

but may be worth having a look around for similar? Best of luck whatever you do

Gummy Panda · 04-09-2010 05:40PM

Frank Nutty Tv wrote: »

Thank God someone finally said it. What's 10,000 times more irritating than Irish people moaning about Ireland is the narrow minded people who think it's 'like that everywhere'. It just isn't. I've lived in 3 countries in the last 2 years and had no problem finding employment. Even here in London, it's nothing like Dublin. All my friends have decent jobs and bars/restaurants/shops are always packed. Feels no different than it did in 2006.

I know people who lived in the UK for years and think its very bleak over there at the moment. One loss his job and gets something like £68 a week from the UK dole. He says youth crime is really on the rise and some nice looking areas turn into no-go areas at night. He is English so its not some Irish bias thinking home is lovely. He doesn't live in London.

I think its down to people saying that the grass might not always be greener on the otherside.

admiralofthefleet · 04-09-2010 05:41PM

barrel + cliffs of moher

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The_B_Man · 04-09-2010 05:43PM

2 words....

Couch surfing!

foxinsox · 04-09-2010 06:18PM

Fair play to you OP.. things will work out for you

Great to hear you've organised stuff so fast!

04-09-2010 06:25PM

Gummy Panda wrote: »

I know people who lived in the UK for years and think its very bleak over there at the moment. One loss his job and gets something like £68 a week from the UK dole. He says youth crime is really on the rise and some nice looking areas turn into no-go areas at night. He is English so its not some Irish bias thinking home is lovely. He doesn't live in London.

I think its down to people saying that the grass might not always be greener on the otherside.

Oh yeah, youth crime and anti-social behaviour is a problem in a lot of areas, one of the reasons I don't think I'll stay here long term, but there just isn't the same 'recession' feel as in Ireland. I don't think I've even heard someone say the word recession here whereas every time I go back to Dublin, it's all I hear. I'm just finishing an MA and have a paid internship lined up and most of my class have jobs to walk into next week. I have other friends all over the world who are having the time of their lives. To assume that every country in the world as just as bad as Ireland is so extremely narrow minded.

worded · 04-09-2010 06:34PM

OP where ever you go ........

$ - Bring as much money as possible - you do not want to end up homeless.

Contacts - If possible go some where there are friends / relatives you can stay with for a few weeks til you find your feet. Even when you get a job it could be a week or a month before you see a wage/salary.

Transport - Try bringing a bike with you, a country is better fun to explore on two wheels.

KevinVonSpiel · 04-09-2010 07:06PM

Frank Nutty Tv wrote: »

Thank God someone finally said it. What's 10,000 times more irritating than Irish people moaning about Ireland is the narrow minded people who think it's 'like that everywhere'. It just isn't. I've lived in 3 countries in the last 2 years and had no problem finding employment. Even here in London, it's nothing like Dublin. All my friends have decent jobs and bars/restaurants/shops are always packed. Feels no different than it did in 2006. But of course, so many Irish people will still insist that Ireland is the best country in the world and that wanting to leave means running away from your problems and other such sh1t. For God's sake, it doesn't have to be Zimbabwe to still have significant problems which make it worthwhile heading off elsewhere for a bit/forever. But of course, Irish people will point out anything they can find to 'prove' that whatever country you live in is as bad as/worse than Ireland. I totally agree with you. OP, ignore the begrudgers. If you want to leave, leave. It doesn't have to be permanent.

& what do you do over there in London, apart from make sweeping statements?

RoyalMarine · 04-09-2010 08:36PM

the_dark_side wrote: »

OP, here is my advice...

Avoid the army, particulary anything 'royal'... did you not hear Blair interviewed last night where he repeated twice, that it was time to go into Iran? Do youn think that the British armed forces have changed their policy of shoving the newbies to the front, (particularly if your Irish).

You have an arts degree... why not go and teach english in Asia. Did you look into TEFL? I know alot of people who have done this and loved it. Thats what I would look into....

ok, first off, thats complete bollocks about the army shoving newbies to the front (particulary if your irish) i suggest you do some more research and cop on...

i do agree with the tefl idea.

OP, you have a degree. (be it an arts degree, its still a degree)
and it will go a long way.

I was in thailand. i rented a 3 bedroom house, fully furnished for 3000 baht a month.
1 euro bought 49 baht at the time. i ate local food, and it cost me no more than 200 baht a day.
you can easily travel around the city's for 200 baht a day on public buses etc, and there are plenty of positions to teach over there.

look into this crowd.
i did my tefl course with them, and it was excellent.

http://www.teflteachthai.com/

a 1 way ticket to thailand will be fairly decent in price, €350 max.
1 month accomodation will cost no more than 80 euro if you look in the right places. (dont expect the ritz for that price, but our place had a nice swimming pool, and private security. washing facilities and all. very very clean apartments, and room cleaning 3 times a week included in the price.

food for a month should be no more than €200 if you dont eat in fancy restaurants or mcdonalds etc. you can get the most amazing food for 1 or 2 euro for a big plate! trust me on that one!

local beer is 75 baht for a large bottle. thats about €1.30 a bottle.

transport for the month should be no more than €150.

so thats 350 for your ticket, 200 for food, 150 for socialising, and 80 - 90 for accomodation.
giving a total of 790 including your ticket.
the second month out there, should be no more than 450 max!

my salary was 50,000 baht a month, and i worked 6 hours 4 days a week. thats it.

your course including all materials is about €1,000 for the advanced course. thats the one i did, and it was excellent. they even got me the job after. they go to great distances to help you.

anyway, beg borrow, save, etc all you need is 1800 and it will cover you for your flight, month's living expense and your course.

you should have NO problem getting a job working while you do the course, and its normally 400 baht an hour. thats just over 8 euro.

best of luck in what you do, this is just what i did when i got so fed up of my life. And after a year i had cleared my head and decided what i wanted to go and do after that.

Whats the quickest way of emigrating??

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