Troubled by tiger raids? It's yer own fault for wanting free ATMs

bakedbean · 02-09-2010 05:07PM #1

In the IT today there's a story about a tiger raid in Dublin/Wicklow. Here is the government response:

'Minister for Justice Dermot Ahern said that while the banks, the Garda and the Irish Bank Officials Association have been working to prevent such incidents, more needs to be done. He said Ireland was not as cashless a society as most of our European neighbours. “If you go to most European countries, you’ll find there’s less cash swilling around than in Ireland,” he said. “We’re the only country in Europe that doesn’t charge for money coming out of ATMS and that, I think, is something that will have to be looked at.”'

Anyone else think this is an example of FF hijacking a news story to suit their own motives? "Here lads, you know that tax on ATM withdrawals we were thinking of? I've got the perfect spot in the Irish Times to throw it out there".

How does the Irish Times let politicians away with this lame sh*t? Perhaps I'm just over-cynical after my daily Irish news intake?

ChunkyLover_53 · 02-09-2010 05:10PM

I agree with you 100%

WTF do ATM charges have to do with Tiger kidnapping!

When the charges come in won't there still be cash in the banks anyway?

Jeboa Safari · 02-09-2010 05:12PM

It would be very counter productive of them to add a tax on this

paddyland · 02-09-2010 05:29PM

It would be a lot more PRODUCTIVE of our Minister for JUSTICE to provide more adequate prison space for those who perpetrate these attacks, as well as work towards more appropriate jail sentences, and get these thugs off the street for good, instead of making lame statements about things that are nothing to do with his department.

Dermot Ahern in his entire tenure there, just like Dempsey in Transport, has contributed NOTHING to the cause of Justice, except for the grasping of empty and meaningless PR opportunities to promote the lie that FF contribute anything to society.

What has he done? Tell me, because I'm damned if I can find anything. He is a waste of space.

imme · 02-09-2010 05:32PM

bakedbean wrote: »

He said Ireland was not as cashless a society as most of our European neighbours. “If you go to most European countries, you’ll find there’s less cash swilling around than in Ireland,” he said. “We’re the only country in Europe that doesn’t charge for money coming out of ATMS and that, I think, is something that will have to be looked at.”'

This all sounds very scientific.:rolleyes:
Load of auld b*l*x, from an auld b*l*x methinks.:cool:

We already pay tax for possessing bank cards and credit cards. How would imposing a tax on ATM withdrawls end Tiger Kidnappings. Tiger Kidnappings are the crime du jour for the kind of people who used to rob banks. They would simply target a different sector or source of cash.

seithon · 02-09-2010 05:38PM

Ahhhh lookit the cute lil bugger, ATM fee's for more security my ass!
I can't wait to be away from these deluded people.

bakedbean · 02-09-2010 05:57PM

I'm more troubled by the fact that this was written by a journalist and - presumably - was Ok'ed by a subeditor in a national newspaper. Who asks the hard-hitting questions in the Irish media these days?

Liam Byrne · 02-09-2010 06:05PM

We were the only country in Europe with an unsustainable economy based on selling overpriced houses to each other too; I didn't see him complaining or challenging his leader about that!!!

As for the bull**** cashless society argument, that would be partially caused by these rats robbing €30 off us annually for having the nerve to have a credit card, no ?

But don't worry, you will be exempt from any ATM tax if you're caught on CCTV putting the money in a brown envelope with an FF TD's name on it.

Finally, if we were taxed every time we used an ATM, we'd use it less, withdrawing less money.....increasing the chances of crime.

Of course, given FF & the state of our banks, maybe we should keep our cash at home.....again increasing the chances of crime.

Eliot Rosewater · 02-09-2010 06:33PM

bakedbean wrote: »

“We’re the only country in Europe that doesn’t charge for money coming out of ATMS and that, I think, is something that will have to be looked at.”'

That sentence is indicative of a governmental culture whereby those in power feel they have a moral right and entitlement to legislate and regulate any part of the country, its culture and its people they so choose. When you give so much power to a system of government it is no surprise that politicians feel they have a right to engage in this kind of societal micro-management.

charlemont · 02-09-2010 06:35PM

any excuse to get more money out of us...

timuthytrimble · 02-09-2010 06:38PM

Perhaps one of the dumbest ideas brought about to protect the public from medical professionals is the publishing of countless doctor and pharmacist home adresses on the internet- only Mary Harney could be that incompitent to introduce this as part of legislation..a field day for drug addicts and celtic tiger robberies

sceptre · 02-09-2010 06:41PM

bakedbean wrote: »

Anyone else think this is an example of FF hijacking a news story to suit their own motives? "Here lads, you know that tax on ATM withdrawals we were thinking of? I've got the perfect spot in the Irish Times to throw it out there".

How does the Irish Times let politicians away with this lame sh*t? Perhaps I'm just over-cynical after my daily Irish news intake?

The two things don't even go together as a news story - tax/charges on ATM withdrawals has got sweet damn-all to do with the kidnapping.

One would have thought that the journalist would have realised that and chosen to run with the oddness of Dermot Ahern swirling the two together like a thick bowl of chalk and cheese soup as a secondary story to the one of the raid itself, including the words "confusingly", "strangely" or similar in the first sentence.

Bobby42 · 02-09-2010 06:44PM

you could imagine a gang having a meeting:

"here lads, lets do a tiger kidnapping!"

"no, you get charged for withdrawing cash from atms now, so no, we can't!"

Poor Uncle Tom · 02-09-2010 06:49PM

I was listening to the news earlier and I heard Dermot Ahern being interviewed about a bank robbery and what could be done to stop similar such robberies in future.

His solution is to tax bank link machine users!

That is going to cut down on bank employee's family members being kidnapped for ransome. :eek:

Make no effort to catch the bastards responsible, just tax everyone else. I never considered, nor do I condone violance, but............

changes · 02-09-2010 06:54PM

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

I was listening to the news earlier and I heard Dermot Ahern being interviewed about a bank robbery and what could be done to stop similar such robberies in future.

His solution is to tax bank link machine users!

That is going to cut down on bank employee's family members being kidnapped for ransome. :eek:

Make no effort to catch the bastards responsible, just tax everyone else. I never considered, nor do I condone violance, but............

Fianna Fail are fatigued and unfit to govern anymore imo. Such a lazy pathetic idea.

They seriously need 10 or 15 years out of power.... starting asap.

last name ever. first name greatest · 02-09-2010 06:55PM

We are always following the UK in many ways so I don't understand why we have not followed suit with the key holding in banks. Group 4 etc do it in the UK. No employees open up or are key holders.

Random security company people do it.

As for Dermots comments. No comment.

Callan57 · 02-09-2010 06:55PM

Jesus that man needs a holiday .... and a long, long one at that :eek:

JonathanAnon · 02-09-2010 06:56PM

All the time they WASTED on that stupid blasphemy legislation, when they could have been tackling this growing problem.. Scumbags that do these crimes should be hung...

JonathanAnon · 02-09-2010 07:08PM

bakedbean wrote: »

“We’re the only country in Europe that doesn’t charge for money coming out of ATMS and that, I think, is something that will have to be looked at.”'

We've already put over 30 Billion in to the banks, have we not got given them enough money Mr. Ahern.... And it's not like the b*stards have reciprocated the nation's generosity... sneakily converting overdrafts to loans, trying to move people from tracker mortgages, not lending a red cent to businesses...

Overheal · 02-09-2010 07:20PM

changes wrote: »

Fianna Fail are fatigued and unfit to govern anymore imo. Such a lazy pathetic idea.

They seriously need 10 or 15 years out of power.... starting asap.

I fully agree. The GOP ran America for 8 years, tried to go for 12, and now that they've been voted out they are still scrambling in the intervening 2 years to figure out who the hell they are anymore.

If you imagine the GOP as Mr. Potato Head: He's been hurled at a brick wall going 80 miles per hour.

Manic Preacher · 02-09-2010 07:27PM

The bank robbers might be perfectly normal tax payers who've had enough of banks taking money off them

Liam Byrne · 02-09-2010 07:27PM

FF TD opens his mouth and spouts ****e that will probably end up costing us money.

Nothing to see here.

/thread

OhNoYouDidn't · 02-09-2010 08:06PM

The Minsister in effect wants to take cash out of circulation and therefore the bank branch network. Lets humour that specious reasoning. Has it occured to him that the reason we use cash us because our card system charges higher rates than the rest of Europe on top of a tax and that if you try to pay by laser or cc in many outlets they simply refuse?

Deal with that and we might catch up with places like France where you can pay for a taxi or a newspaper with your Carte Bleu negating the need to go to an ATM. A middle aged Parisian lady I know will not handle cash AT ALL because she thinks its dirty. Yet she can get on with life with no hassle. Every single thing goes on her French equivalent of Laser.

GSF · 02-09-2010 08:13PM

imme wrote: »

We already pay tax for possessing bank cards and credit cards.

Removing the tax on bank cards & credit cards and replacing it with an ATM withdrawl charge could be revenue neutral and encourage a more cashless society.

F-Stop · 02-09-2010 08:13PM

If they start charging fees for using the ATM I'll stop taking out 300,000 euro each time I have to save my wife from kidnappers.

OhNoYouDidn't · 02-09-2010 08:17PM

GSF wrote: »

Removing the tax on bank cards & credit cards and replacing it with an ATM withdrawl charge could be revenue neutral and encourage a more cashless society.

Making the HUGE assumption we could then actually pay for things with the cards at the point of sale.

They day I can buy a coffee with my laser is the day that this plan might make sens.

sceptre · 02-09-2010 08:23PM

Two threads on same topic merged

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GSF · 02-09-2010 08:24PM

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Making the HUGE assumption we could then actually pay for things with the cards at the point of sale.

They day I can buy a coffee with my laser is the day that this plan might make sens.

Cash withdrawls arent free today. To make a withdrawl at an ATM you need to pay yearly tax of €5 for the ATM/Laser card. if each withdrawl was taxed at 10 cent there wouldnt be much difference.

Rosahane · 02-09-2010 08:28PM

Ahern just loves the sound of his own voice and I think seriously believes that he is put on this earth to rule us and appears to be patholigically incapable of telling the truth:eek:

He seems to think that the bull**** he spouts is valid and that people will believe he is doing something! His interpetation of cause and effect is as realistic as Terry Pratchett;)

For example he claimed that he would deal with illegal firearms - so he hammered the lawabiding firearms licence holders. He said his leglislation would enable the criminal gangs to be rounded up and jailed - yeah right.

So by his logic taxing ATM withdrawals will certainly end Tiger Kidnappings:P

He should go back to climbing trees in North County Dublin:cool:

mikom · 02-09-2010 08:31PM

The government just hates the idea of cash transactions as the black economy is out of the tax net.

So a tax on ATMs is just one more turn of the screw towards a cashless society.

Their solution to everything seems to be to tax it.
I look forward to the cancer tax, the AIDS tax, and the left handed tax.

mysons · 02-09-2010 08:31PM

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

I was listening to the news earlier and I heard Dermot Ahern being interviewed about a bank robbery and what could be done to stop similar such robberies in future.

His solution is to tax bank link machine users!

That is going to cut down on bank employee's family members being kidnapped for ransome. :eek:

Make no effort to catch the bastards responsible, just tax everyone else. I never considered, nor do I condone violance, but............

I heard this on the news as well but what got me was that he said that they tax the rest of europe for using ATMs as if that was ok for this bunch of thieves to do the same.
Why is it every time that something happens in this Country the Clowns that are in power use that same worn out excuse.

Troubled by tiger raids? It's yer own fault for wanting free ATMs

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