Troubled by tiger raids? It's yer own fault for wanting free ATMs

The Raven.

The Government may have to consider making banks charge for withdrawals from ATMs to reduce the amount of cash in circulation, the Minister for Justice said today.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0902/breaking49.html

What is it with this fellow? Has he lost his brain altogether, or did he ever have one? I can't even find words to describe this latest lunacy.

The Minister for Justice said 'Charges on cash withdrawals may have to be considered, to take more cash out of the economy, and help combat such kidnappings.' [RTÉ Six One News, reported by Anne Doyle with a serious face.]

I have a better solution: Charges of corruption should be mandatory, to take the trash out of Dail Eireann, to help combat such daylight robberies of the citizens of this country.

yermanoffthetv

Maybe we should bring in a political stupidity tax. Everytime a politician says or does something stupid a fee would be charged to their accounts. By my rough estimates each year this would generate circa 60bn for the Irish exchequer.

Essexboy

mysons wrote: »

I heard this on the news as well but what got me was that he said that they tax the rest of europe for using ATMs as if that was ok for this bunch of thieves to do the same.
Why is it every time that something happens in this Country the Clowns that are in power use that same worn out excuse.

There is no charge for withdrawing cash from ATMs in the UK. As Ahern lives close to the Border he must know this. He is a tw@t!

veritable

Why don't the gobsh1tes in govt just impose a tax on tiger kidnapping? i swear that's the next thing we're going to read

Zambia

Dont suggest that as FF would tax the Victim.

johnnyskeleton

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Finally, if we were taxed every time we used an ATM, we'd use it less, withdrawing less money.....increasing the chances of crime.

Good point - people who use cash often spend it more on impulse items e.g. you wouldn't normally buy an impulse cup of coffee on a credit card, but you might if you had €2 on you.

So the government wants us to spend more, but at the same time brings in measures that make people spend less, literally people will have less money in their pockets to spend.

Zambia

Here I carry very little cash as I can pay for pretty much everything on my eftpos Card. Everyone does Petrol, Groceries, Meals out, Mcdonalds etc

My electrician even accepts the card on house calls.

Most cash items are coffee and a paper.

To withdraw from my bank ATM is free my Banks competitors ATM or a Private ATM costs me 2 dollars.

It's been an age since I got charged at an ATM I dont withdraw cash that much.

However what he is suggesting is stupid its all stick and no carrot

Stinicker

What this government needs to do is as has been suggested already is introduce sentences proper to crimes. This is typical of the guards too, what is the point of having a rapid response team, they should just swarm the area and shoot the scumbags dead, shoot first and ask questions later or else give them a money bag with dud notes and a bomb to explode and kill them.

Punish the criminals properly, to suggest a tax on cash in this situation makes the minister no different to the scum carrying out these crimes.

Manach

Logically of course the minister is correct. I'd go so far to say that as cash causes crimes the Government should confiscate it all, which they are already on their way to doing. :rolleyes:

jimmycrackcorm

So the minister thinks if we tax atm withdrawals that suddenly banks won't have any cash to steal?

simplistic2

This tax should of come in a long time ago , if it wasnt for idiots like us getting kidnapped he wouldnt have to do it. I feel embarrassed for that man.

ei.sdraob

What a load of bull**** in most southern European countries its practicality impossible to use cards.just cold cash

Cookie_Monster

What about the fact that banks do charge for withdrawals at ATMs?
There are just simple ways around it, only use your own banks one and have an online account so you don't pay current account fees.

Poor Uncle Tom

The next time there's a murder here, he will probably ask for a tax on childbirth. Afterall the less of us are here the less likely it will be that someone is murdered....:rolleyes:

Wile E. Coyote

Just when you think stupid ideas could have been a thing of the past for our government, he comes out with the gem of an idea to start taxing ATM transactions to reduce the amount of tiger raids. How you even make the link between ATM charges and reducing bank raids is beyond me. One has nothing to do with the other.

Introducing a tax per ATM charge will not reduce the amount of cash 'swilling about the place' and it will not reduce the amount of cash held by banks. If anything it will increase it. People will not want to get hit with a charge every time they need some cash so instead of taking out €20-50 when they need it people will empty their accounts on pay day.

Instead of targeting the hard working, tax paying citizens of this country why don't you look at your own roll in all this? What have YOU done to help prevent any of this from happening? Have you increased the Garda numbers on the street? Have you set mandatory minimum jail sentences for people caught committing crimes like this? How about a 20 year minimum sentence with no early release for good behaviour for people convicted of this? That’s sure to make them think twice now isn't it? How about increasing prison space to keep people like this off the streets? Have you considered forcing the banks to install monitored alarms and panic buttons into the home of each bank employee with access to branch funds? If they want to protect their money they have to protect their staff!

The truth is you haven't done anything because you’re a useless f*** just like the rest of your incompetent party!

gurramok

Speaking of card transactions, they'd want to make it more secure as it ain't totally secure yet. Remember the wave of card terminals been replaced willy nilly by 'repairmen' at prime city shops a couple of years ago?

How many of us have had our cards skimmed at atms and in the shops?

I used to use laser alot, but ended up with my card been used mysteriously without my permission at a retail outlet. Since then I tend to use cash as my confidence in laser is down.

OhNoYouDidn't

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

So the minister thinks if we tax atm withdrawals that suddenly banks won't have any cash to steal?

In a nutshell.

OhNoYouDidn't

GSF wrote: »

Cash withdrawls arent free today. To make a withdrawl at an ATM you need to pay yearly tax of €5 for the ATM/Laser card. if each withdrawl was taxed at 10 cent there wouldnt be much difference.

I think you have somewhat missed the point here....

caseyann

bakedbean wrote: »

In the IT today there's a story about a tiger raid in Dublin/Wicklow. Here is the government response:

'Minister for Justice Dermot Ahern said that while the banks, the Garda and the Irish Bank Officials Association have been working to prevent such incidents, more needs to be done. He said Ireland was not as cashless a society as most of our European neighbours. “If you go to most European countries, you’ll find there’s less cash swilling around than in Ireland,” he said. “We’re the only country in Europe that doesn’t charge for money coming out of ATMS and that, I think, is something that will have to be looked at.”'

Anyone else think this is an example of FF hijacking a news story to suit their own motives? "Here lads, you know that tax on ATM withdrawals we were thinking of? I've got the perfect spot in the Irish Times to throw it out there".

How does the Irish Times let politicians away with this lame sh*t? Perhaps I'm just over-cynical after my daily Irish news intake?

I get charged for ATM withdrawals
I heard bank prices will increase also. :rolleyes:
So the robbers make us pay whats that going to do deter them from robbing

caseyann

gurramok wrote: »

Speaking of card transactions, they'd want to make it more secure as it ain't totally secure yet. Remember the wave of card terminals been replaced willy nilly by 'repairmen' at prime city shops a couple of years ago?

How many of us have had our cards skimmed at atms and in the shops?

I used to use laser alot, but ended up with my card been used mysteriously without my permission at a retail outlet. Since then I tend to use cash as my confidence in laser is down.

That happened to me aswell,now i dont put anything in that isnt for direct debit.And i dont use my card at all

OhNoYouDidn't

Can any of you geeks out there find the M3 numbers for Ireland and compare to the rest of Europe?

Do we actually have more cash in circulation than the rest?

ednwireland

just back from france - try changing a 50 euro note in a shop quite a lot refused (even in big towns) they use cards for everything everywhere accepts debit cards (i just thank ulster bank for changing my laser to a visa debit card a couple of months ago laser is just sooooo useless if you travel)

ahern is still a gobsh*ite though FF policy if theres a problem tax it then it'll go away defo, well maybe ...... well prob not

caseyann

ednwireland wrote: »

just back from france - try changing a 50 euro note in a shop quite a lot refused (even in big towns) they use cards for everything everywhere accepts debit cards (i just thank ulster bank for changing my laser to a visa debit card a couple of months ago laser is just sooooo useless if you travel)

ahern is still a gobsh*ite though FF policy if theres a problem tax it then it'll go away defo, well maybe ...... well prob not

I had that problem in Germany aswell.They didnt want 50 euro notes at all and i was paying big money for something and had to go back and change the fifties to 20's :mad:

dan_d

I actually don't agree with you on that ednwireland....I'd be thinking more that our European neighbours rely on cash more.

I go to Austria/France/Italy fairly regularly and while cards are in use, cash is far more accepted (particularly in Italy, where there's a charge on card usage - you get a "discount" if you pay in cash!)

Also they allow you to choose the combination of notes you want from an ATM (100eur made up of 10eurs/20eur/50eurs), almost all of their ATMs stock 10eur notes, and I've frequently been given 100eur notes from the ATMs.This is usually in small towns as well as cities.

I totally disagree with Dermot Ahern on this. I'd also point out that I presume he's referring to Laser/debit cards, as we all know our European neighbours are not so credit card happy as we are.....

All in all, it's just another way to bring in money for this useless bunch. Why look in the obvious places, where money could actually be saved, when you can look at obscure, ridiculous areas where you bring in a minor amount of money that's wiped out by the black hole of your expenditure.

You can actually read this crowd like a book....

Seth Brundle

Actually is anyone really surprised at this latest FF ploy to get more money from the public?

Wile E. Coyote

kbannon wrote: »

Actually is anyone really surprised at this latest FF ploy to get more money from the public?

Ehhh.......... no.

Kxiii

So far this crowd has managed to tax air (carbon levy), trying to tax water. Does anyone else think a window tax for light will be next?

sink

Kxiii wrote: »

Does anyone else think a window tax for light will be next?

That would be daylight robbery! :mad:

stephendevlin

sink wrote: »

That would be daylight robbery! :mad:

Boom Boom haha

Mr.Micro

Ahern should keep his big nose out of the financial sector and make sure our passports are not compromised in the future by a certain rogue nation in the pursuits of its nefarious activities. We are already being charged a levy for our ATM cards and we are told by BIffo today that it would cost 70 billion to wind down Anglo ....so its better to drip feed instead and bleed the tax payers dry so that all the developers can get their money back over time.