Would you vote to introduce full gay marriage in Ireland?

Wazdakka · 01-09-2010 12:35PM

Yea why not..

Fudge packers and Bean flickers should have just as much right to ruin their lives as everyone else.

derfderf · 01-09-2010 12:35PM

There shouldn't even be a need for a referendum. There'll always be someone screaming think of the children when the adoption issue gets brought up, but ,regarding just the marriage issue, it's nobodys place to tell same sex couples they can't.

WindSock · 01-09-2010 12:36PM

Aksing people to vote on marriage. Hmmm....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TUvaNs5PYw

Miguel_Sanchez · 01-09-2010 12:38PM

boatbuilder wrote: »

I have a problem with the whole gay thing. Yes I know that makes me unpopular, but my opinion is that its wrong, not the way things are supposed to be. I'm not homophobic blah blah blah etc etc. I just think its wrong, so gay marriage is wrong too. I'm saddened that most of Western Europe has lost any semblance of morals or family values.

What does 'family values' actually mean?

Is it just another term for bigotry, hatred and intolerance? Cause that's what people who promote 'family values' always seem to practice.

Fey! · 01-09-2010 12:39PM

My (gay) brother has been with his partner for 18 years, and they had a civil partnership in Germany 8 years ago.

My (gay) uncle is with his partner for 34 years, and they had their civil prtnership earlier this year in Scotland.

At least now they have some rights as a couple.

My other (also gay) uncle died almost 3 years ago. He had been with his partner over 30 years. His partner had none of the rights enjoyed by a heterosexual couple.

Each of these relationships are absolutely committed, but in Ireland aren't, and can't be, legally recognised.

But if they were a heterosexual couple who married after 2 months and widowed after another 2 months, they would have some protection under our laws.

I find this completely unfair.

Pherekydes · 01-09-2010 12:41PM

eightyfish wrote: »

So the vote described in this thread would give gay couples the exact same rights as any other married couple, including the same rights for adoption consideration...

You're fudging again. I'm married and no one told me about my rights to adopt. They aren't built into marriage. You must apply to the courts each time you want to adopt. So gay couples could test their rights, or lack of, by going to court. Either way, this "adoption right" is not built into any marriage or civil partnership.

Banned Account · 01-09-2010 12:44PM

Fey! wrote: »

My (gay) brother...

My (gay) uncle...

My other (also gay) uncle...

Might be something to do with the water

:pac:

Burning Eclipse · 01-09-2010 12:44PM

hinault wrote: »

No.

I am a happily married heterosexual man.

2 questions.

1. Why 'No'? (if you don't mind me asking.)

2. What does being a happily married heterosexual man have to do with your opinion on this?

metalgear2k2 · 01-09-2010 12:47PM

I would vote to stop it.

Miguel_Sanchez · 01-09-2010 12:51PM

metalgear2k2 wrote: »

I would vote to stop it.

It's not happening at the moment so you can't vote to stop it.

Sorry.

hinault · 01-09-2010 01:00PM

Burning Eclipse wrote: »

2 questions.

1. Why 'No'? (if you don't mind me asking.)

2. What does being a happily married heterosexual man have to do with your opinion on this?

Why "no"?
By introducing full gay marriage to Ireland, the status of my heterosexual marriage would be diminished. Under this country's constitution marriage is protected. Any alteration to article 41 would diminish that status, in my opinion.

And I stated that I was heterosexual man, so as to inform this thread of my background when posting my comment.

Miguel_Sanchez · 01-09-2010 01:02PM

hinault wrote: »

Why "no"?
By introducing full gay marriage to Ireland, the status of my heterosexual marriage would be diminished. Under this country's constitution marriage is protected. Any alteration to article 41 would diminish that status, in my opinion.

How would it diminish the status of your marriage?

Would it not merely elavate the status of a homosexual union to the same status as that enjoyed by heterosexual couples?

Banned Account · 01-09-2010 01:03PM

hinault wrote: »

Why "no"?
By introducing full gay marriage to Ireland, the status of my heterosexual marriage would be diminished. Under this country's constitution marriage is protected. Any alteration to article 41 would diminish that status, in my opinion.

How so?

Dave! · 01-09-2010 01:03PM

hinault wrote: »

Why "no"?
By introducing full gay marriage to Ireland, the status of my heterosexual marriage would be diminished. Under this country's constitution marriage is protected. Any alteration to article 41 would diminish that status, in my opinion.

And I stated that I was heterosexual man, so as to inform this thread of my background when posting my comment.

Why is the status or legitimacy of your marriage suddenly in jeopardy because homosexuals could be getting married also? Why is one related to the other?

rainbow kirby · 01-09-2010 01:04PM

hinault wrote: »

Why "no"?
By introducing full gay marriage to Ireland, the status of my heterosexual marriage would be diminished. Under this country's constitution marriage is protected. Any alteration to article 41 would diminish that status, in my opinion.

And I stated that I was heterosexual man, so as to inform this thread of my background when posting my comment.

The amount of privilege and arrogance dripping from this post is ridiculous. How does allowing same-sex marriage diminish the status of your marriage?

Short answer: It doesn't.

hinault · 01-09-2010 01:04PM

Dave! wrote: »

Why is the status or legitimacy of your marriage suddenly in jeopardy because homosexuals could be getting married also? Why is one related to the other?

You ought to direct that question to the lobby who are pressing for their unions to be recognised as marriage.

Banned Account · 01-09-2010 01:05PM

hinault wrote: »

You ought to direct that question to the lobby who are pressing for their unions to be recognised as marriage.

Logic fail.:rolleyes:

Miguel_Sanchez · 01-09-2010 01:06PM

hinault wrote: »

You ought to direct that question to the lobby who are pressing for their unions to be recognised as marriage.

They're not the ones saying that the status of heterosexual marriage is in danger. You are.

And you don't seem to be able to explain why either since you're avoiding answering the question.

hinault · 01-09-2010 01:06PM

rainbow kirby wrote: »

The amount of privilege and arrogance dripping from this post is ridiculous. How does allowing same-sex marriage diminish the status of your marriage?

Short answer: It doesn't.

I vehemently disagree.

Miguel_Sanchez · 01-09-2010 01:07PM

hinault wrote: »

I vehemently disagree.

We know that. But you still haven't explained why you disagree.

Banned Account · 01-09-2010 01:07PM

hinault wrote: »

I vehemently disagree.

Why so?

Killer Pigeon · 01-09-2010 01:08PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNsrK6P9QvI

dory · 01-09-2010 01:10PM

The problem as was seen in this thread already is that those who aren't opposed won't be arsed voting. That is what will screw the whole thing up. It's only the anti-brigade that will be bothered marching to the polls.

What this anti-brigade need to remember is that gay people are 'marrying' all the time. They don't give a damn about laws or churches. And they're also having children. They have a whole range of options that are going to be just as tricky and expensive when they're legally married. To think that people are not going to take part in this very basic want of human beings just because of a law is absurd. If/when I propose the last thing on my mind will be, "Hang on, was this ever passed by the Dail?" Same for children. My baby wheels have already been put in motion regardless of what the majority of this country think.

The only thing the anti-crew should be thinking about is; are the children who are brought up in these families worthy of being protected by law. Nothing else is even up for discussion.

rainbow kirby · 01-09-2010 01:10PM

hinault wrote: »

I vehemently disagree.

Elaborate please.

hinault · 01-09-2010 01:12PM

Jeff_Lebowski wrote: »

We know that. But you still haven't explained why you disagree.

Why do I disagree?

Because I am heterosexual and I am married.
Furthermore I value the law which protects the marriage of man and woman.
That's why.

Miguel_Sanchez · 01-09-2010 01:14PM

hinault wrote: »

Furthermore I value the law which protects the marriage of man and woman.

I think that law should be extended to protect the marriage of same sex couples too.

How would that affect your marriage?

You're not giving any reasons. You're only restating your point of view, which we already know.

I'm curious to see if there is any real point behind your argument other than the fact that you don't want gay people to have the same rights as you.

By the way being heterosexual doesn't automatically count as a reason why you're against gay marriage.

I'm straight and I'm all for it.

Banned Account · 01-09-2010 01:15PM

hinault wrote: »

Why do I disagree?

Because I am heterosexual and I am married.
Furthermore I value the law which protects the marriage of man and woman.
That's why.

You forgot to say "Na na, nana na" and stick your toungue out.

You heard the back half of a religious zealot saying this ill though out drivel following the introduction of the civil partnership bill an while ago and decided to adopt it as it fits your midset. Now you've just realised that you haven't a clue why it might undermine your predjudiced position and aren't capable of formulating our own opinion on it.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 01-09-2010 01:15PM

hinault wrote: »

Why do I disagree?

Because I am heterosexual and I am married.
Furthermore I value the law which protects the marriage of man and woman.
That's why.

Still answers nothing. Why do you feel your marraige is threatened? Why is this the ONLY solution? Why do you think it is best?

Lots of people here are heterosexual, married and respect the law and feel ok aith the idea.

Karl Hungus · 01-09-2010 01:17PM

hinault wrote: »

Why "no"?
By introducing full gay marriage to Ireland, the status of my heterosexual marriage would be diminished. Under this country's constitution marriage is protected. Any alteration to article 41 would diminish that status, in my opinion.

And I stated that I was heterosexual man, so as to inform this thread of my background when posting my comment.

Let me tell you a little story. Not so long ago, a friend of mine got one of those fancy new HTC Desire gadget phones for his birthday. At his party, 2 other friends also had them, and they were all pretty enthused, talking about how fantastic their phones are. A fourth person also had recently bought the HTC Desire, but he was less enthused. He said "If I knew all you guys were going to get them, I wouldn't have gotten one."

You see, it wasn't enough for this guy that he had a great phone, he needed to feel privileged, he needed to have one over everyone else. If everyone else had the same phone, he didn't get to be the smug bastard, he couldn't be proud that he had something better than other people, he didn't feel special.

So, Hinault. Is being married to someone you love not enough for you?

hinault · 01-09-2010 01:19PM

Jeff_Lebowski wrote: »

I think that law should be extended to protect the marriage of same sex couples too.

How would that affect your marriage?

You're not giving any reasons. You're only restating your point of view, which we already know.

I'm curious to see if there is any real point behind your argument other than the fact that you don't want gay people to have the same rights as you.

My views are my views and I have clearly expressed the reasons why I hold those views on this particular topic.

In fact I would go as far to agree with the poster who said that he/she would vote to stop the Constitution being amended.
I too would vote against any amendment of our Constitution in this regard.

Would you vote to introduce full gay marriage in Ireland?

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