Would you vote to introduce full gay marriage in Ireland?

eightyfish

As a result of this thread and this post, here's a simple poll. Would you vote in support of the introduction of full gay marriage - including the right to adopt - in Ireland?

Banned Account

How do you know if you're full gay? What if you're only mostly gay

who what when

Nope, marriage is a thing men and women do before they have 2.4 children If it aint broke, dont fix it!

Sykk

I wouldn't vote on something I don't care about. If I had some gay friends that asked for support then I'd go ahead. But I wouldn't waste my time otherwise.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Fitzcaraldo wrote: »

How do you know if you're full gay? What if you're only mostly gay

If you can take it to the hilt, your fully gay.

Oh, I voted YES, of course gays should be afforded the same rights to marry as I have.

Just because your gay doesn't mean your love for your partner is any less than those of a 'straight' couple, 'nor is your desire to express that love and wanting to spend your lives together as a married couple any less.

eightyfish

Fitzcaraldo wrote: »

How do you know if you're full gay? What if you're only mostly gay

I see what you did there:D
I mean as opposed to "civil partnership" and such.

rainbow kirby

Fitzcaraldo wrote: »

How do you know if you're full gay?

If the balls have touched.

Korvanica

captain picard will win

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Why wouldn't I vote for a basic human right?

AnonoBoy

who what when wrote: »

Nope, marriage is a thing men and women do before they have 2.4 children If it aint broke, dont fix it!

Ha! Ha!

You're funny.

Banned Account

Why not? If people want to get married, let them off. I can't see why it should be an issue at all to be honest.

Yes.

easyeason3

Two consenting adults that are not doing anything illegal should be left alone to live their lives as they wish.

SeaFields

I don't care. I really don't. I'm not pro-gay or anti-gay I just couldn't give a toss and if they had a referendum in the morning I wouldn't be bother getting out of bed to vote.

Pherekydes

It's nobody's business but their own. Nothing to do with me. Would I like it if gay people decided if I should have the right to get married?

So the default here is Yes. Otherwise you're either denying them their rights or leaving it to others to deny them their rights.

Dyr

Pherekydes wrote: »

It's nobody's business but their own. Nothing to do with me. Would I like it if gay people decided if I should have the right to get married?

So the default here is Yes. Otherwise you're either denying them their rights or leaving it to others to deny them their rights.

Might be the kid who's going to be adopted's business. :pac:

biko

Yeah for two reasons:
1. I don't see any reason to withhold martial "bliss" from gays and also that they can inherit and other marital rights.
2. It'd pi$$ the clergy off no end.

checkyabadself

I voted yes. Although I'm not so sure it's in a childs best interest to be raised by a gay couple. Im open to correction on this, if there's a study that shows that a child with 2 fathers or 2 mothers is not losing out from having a natural family structure.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Bambi wrote: »

Might be the kid who's going to be adopted's business. :pac:

checkyabadself wrote: »

I voted yes. Although I'm not so sure it's in a childs best interest to be raised by a gay couple. Im open to correction on this, if there's a study that shows that a child with 2 fathers or 2 mothers is not losing out from having a natural family structure.

Why is that everyone who is against the idea AUTOMATICALLY brings up the idea of gay adoption...?

Poll and topis is gay MARRAIGE, not ADOPTION. That's a seperate issue.

Pherekydes

Bambi wrote: »

Might be the kid who's going to be adopted's business. :pac:

With all due respect, that's a separate issue.

Banned Account

What has marriage got to do with raising kids? Didn't realise it had become a pre-requisite.

smokingman

"Jesus had two dads and he turned out ok" :pac:

arybvtcw0eolkf

biko wrote: »

2. It'd pi$$ the clergy off no end.

Like child abuse did?.

Donkey Oaty

From The Onion's American voices: "Some fag better not try marrying me. These days, you f*ck a guy one time and he pulls out a ring."

who what when

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Ha! Ha!

You're funny.

Wasnt trying to be funny Thats what i think!

checkyabadself

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Why is that everyone who is against the idea AUTOMATICALLY brings up the idea of gay adoption...?

Poll and topis is gay MARRAIGE, not ADOPTION. That's a seperate issue.

Did you read the OP?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

checkyabadself wrote: »

Did you read the OP?

Poll said full gay marraige, title said full gay marraige. I see your point, but it's a abdly phrasedquestion, as there is no way that the two issues are every going to become law together.

boatbuilder

I have a problem with the whole gay thing. Yes I know that makes me unpopular, but my opinion is that its wrong, not the way things are supposed to be. I'm not homophobic blah blah blah etc etc. I just think its wrong, so gay marriage is wrong too. I'm saddened that most of Western Europe has lost any semblance of morals or family values.

Dyr

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Why is that everyone who is against the idea AUTOMATICALLY brings up the idea of gay adoption...?

Poll and topis is gay MARRAIGE, not ADOPTION. That's a seperate issue.

Read the first post and you can apologize in your own time

kthxbi

ColmSewell

I don't see why gay marriage is even an issue for heterosexuals. If you don't support gay marriage, don't have a gay wedding! Preventing others from doing so, just because it's not your thing, is ridiculous.

starbelgrade

SeaFields wrote: »

I don't care. I really don't. I'm not pro-gay or anti-gay I just couldn't give a toss and if they had a referendum in the morning I wouldn't be bother getting out of bed to vote.

So, what your saying is, is that you'd only make an effort to vote on a civil rights if the issue effects you directly?

People like you should be struck from the voting register.

Dave!

Eh, yeah

Links234

I would vote for full marriage equality and adoption rights for all gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people.

many forget that some of those left in the worst position when it comes to a lack of marriage equality are transgender.

eightyfish

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Poll and topis is gay MARRAIGE, not ADOPTION. That's a seperate issue.

Yes but every time the topic comes up, adoption comes up. In fact, that is the main reason why Catholic groups, such as the one on the Frontline, oppose gay marriage. Therefore people of that inclination would vote against gay marriage for that reason. This is why I specifically included it in the poll. This is to determine what the outcome would be if the only demographic voting on a referendum was us on boards.

Donkey Oaty

boatbuilder wrote: »

I have a problem with the whole gay thing. Yes I know that makes me unpopular, but my opinion is that its wrong, not the way things are supposed to be. I'm not homophobic blah blah blah etc etc. I just think its wrong, so gay marriage is wrong too. I'm saddened that most of Western Europe has lost any semblance of morals or family values.

Do you have religious reasons for this moral standpoint, or is it something else? You might think homosexuality is "not the way things are supposed to be" (according to who?) but you can't deny that's how it is.

Sanjuro

Yes. Absolutely. Why should anyone have the right to deny homosexuals the same rights as heterosexuals just because they don't agree with it? If they're not harming anybody, they should have the right to be as miserable in marriage as anybody else!

Pherekydes

Bambi wrote: »

Read the first post and you can apologize in your own time

kthxbi

Regardless of what the OP said, they are still two separate issues.

eightyfish

Pherekydes wrote: »

Regardless of what the OP said, they are still two separate issues.

They are not for some of the people who would vote no, therefore they are not in terms of this thread.

starbelgrade

boatbuilder wrote: »

I have a problem with the whole gay thing. Yes I know that makes me unpopular, but my opinion is that its wrong, not the way things are supposed to be. I'm not homophobic blah blah blah etc etc. I just think its wrong, so gay marriage is wrong too. I'm saddened that most of Western Europe has lost any semblance of morals or family values.

You are homophobic. By your own admittance, you have "a problem with the whole gay thing" & you would prefer if European countries didn't allow homosexuals the same civil rights to marriage as everyone else, purely based on their sexual orientation.

If that's not homophobia, then I don't know what is.

GavRedKing

They have my support anyway, gay couples should have the same rights to marriage as a straight couple, just my two cents.

Pherekydes

eightyfish wrote: »

They are not for some of the people who would vote no, therefore they are not in terms of this thread.

All well and good, but the fact of the matter is that if the issue came to be proposed for a referendum, the religious right would try to fudge the issue by introducing the adoption issue, and would fail. If it came to a referendum it would ONLY be about marriage.

Kasabian

Gay marriage should be introduced . Gays have has as much right to be unhappy as the rest. :pac:




I don't believe in marriage.

Terry

Two men or women getting married would have absolutely no impact on my life, or the lives of about 95% of the population, so I don't see why it's even an issue.

John and Mary getting married has no effect on my life, so I don't see how Adam and Steve getting married would be any different.

So if you are against it, ask yourself how the marraige of two people you don't know would have any impact on your life. The answer will always be the same. No impact whatsoever.

fonecrusher1

starbelgrade wrote: »

So, what your saying is, is that you'd only make an effort to vote on a civil rights if the issue effects you directly?

No he's not saying that at all. He's saying he doesn't give a sh!t one way or the other. And im of the same opinion.

Just being honest.

eightyfish

Pherekydes wrote: »

All well and good, but the fact of the matter is that if the issue came to be proposed for a referendum, the religious right would try to fudge the issue by introducing the adoption issue

I agree with you. I voted yes.

Some posters in the other thread were saying this vote would only be 55% in favour or even less- I'm glad to see it's not working out that way.

Fratton Fred

It is up to the church if they provide gay weddings, but the state should offer the ability to get married to anyone and everyone.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

eightyfish wrote: »

Yes but every time the topic comes up, adoption comes up. In fact, that is the main reason why Catholic groups, such as the one on the Frontline, oppose gay marriage. Therefore people of that inclination would vote against gay marriage for that reason. This is why I specifically included it in the poll. This is to determine what the outcome would be if the only demographic voting on a referendum was us on boards.

This is the only reason Catholic groups can continue their hate fight - by scaremongering and confusing issues. If a referendum came before the people with gay marraige ONLY on the agenda, this would not be an accpetable argument.

eightyfish wrote: »

They are not for some of the people who would vote no, therefore they are not in terms of this thread.

This people need to do some proper research then, rather than turning to a church or a tabloid and being told what to think.

eightyfish

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

If a referendum came before the people with gay marraige ONLY on the agenda, this would not be an accpetable argument.

It isn't an acceptable argument. Nevertheless it is one reason, perceived or otherwise, that a lot of people would vote no if the marriage question was put to the country. So the vote described in this thread would give gay couples the exact same rights as any other married couple, including the same rights for adoption consideration - in other words their sexuality could not be called into question.

MarkGrisham

I'm not that pushed about marriage in general, but **** it why shouldn't gays be able to do it? I say yes.

Miguel_Sanchez

This has been posted previously on this topic but Keith Olbermann puts it so very very well that it's worth posting again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HpTBF6EfxY

bnt

Is gay marriage actually banned in Ireland? If you look at Article 41 of the Constitution, which is all about the Family, it doesn't say anything about a Family being founded on a heterosexual relationship.

There is that male-chauvinistic bit about a woman's "life within the home", which is (IMHO) a bit too specific to be in a Constitution, but it's just a "recognition", not a requirement. Someone should ask Mary Harney what she thinks of that bit. Ow.

In general, I always come back to the American idea of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" as the best way of putting it. I don't mind what people do, as long as they aren't doing it to me.