Would you vote to introduce full gay marriage in Ireland?

Dave! · 01-09-2010 11:22AM

Eh, yeah

Links234 · 01-09-2010 11:24AM

I would vote for full marriage equality and adoption rights for all gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people.

many forget that some of those left in the worst position when it comes to a lack of marriage equality are transgender.

eightyfish · 01-09-2010 11:24AM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Poll and topis is gay MARRAIGE, not ADOPTION. That's a seperate issue.

Yes but every time the topic comes up, adoption comes up. In fact, that is the main reason why Catholic groups, such as the one on the Frontline, oppose gay marriage. Therefore people of that inclination would vote against gay marriage for that reason. This is why I specifically included it in the poll. This is to determine what the outcome would be if the only demographic voting on a referendum was us on boards.

Donkey Oaty · 01-09-2010 11:25AM

boatbuilder wrote: »

I have a problem with the whole gay thing. Yes I know that makes me unpopular, but my opinion is that its wrong, not the way things are supposed to be. I'm not homophobic blah blah blah etc etc. I just think its wrong, so gay marriage is wrong too. I'm saddened that most of Western Europe has lost any semblance of morals or family values.

Do you have religious reasons for this moral standpoint, or is it something else? You might think homosexuality is "not the way things are supposed to be" (according to who?) but you can't deny that's how it is.

Sanjuro · 01-09-2010 11:25AM

Yes. Absolutely. Why should anyone have the right to deny homosexuals the same rights as heterosexuals just because they don't agree with it? If they're not harming anybody, they should have the right to be as miserable in marriage as anybody else!

Pherekydes · 01-09-2010 11:26AM

Bambi wrote: »

Read the first post and you can apologize in your own time

kthxbi

Regardless of what the OP said, they are still two separate issues.

eightyfish · 01-09-2010 11:28AM

Pherekydes wrote: »

Regardless of what the OP said, they are still two separate issues.

They are not for some of the people who would vote no, therefore they are not in terms of this thread.

starbelgrade · 01-09-2010 11:31AM

boatbuilder wrote: »

I have a problem with the whole gay thing. Yes I know that makes me unpopular, but my opinion is that its wrong, not the way things are supposed to be. I'm not homophobic blah blah blah etc etc. I just think its wrong, so gay marriage is wrong too. I'm saddened that most of Western Europe has lost any semblance of morals or family values.

You are homophobic. By your own admittance, you have "a problem with the whole gay thing" & you would prefer if European countries didn't allow homosexuals the same civil rights to marriage as everyone else, purely based on their sexual orientation.

If that's not homophobia, then I don't know what is.

GavRedKing · 01-09-2010 11:33AM

They have my support anyway, gay couples should have the same rights to marriage as a straight couple, just my two cents.

Pherekydes · 01-09-2010 11:34AM

eightyfish wrote: »

They are not for some of the people who would vote no, therefore they are not in terms of this thread.

All well and good, but the fact of the matter is that if the issue came to be proposed for a referendum, the religious right would try to fudge the issue by introducing the adoption issue, and would fail. If it came to a referendum it would ONLY be about marriage.

Kasabian · 01-09-2010 11:39AM

Gay marriage should be introduced . Gays have has as much right to be unhappy as the rest. :pac:

I don't believe in marriage.

Terry · 01-09-2010 11:40AM

Two men or women getting married would have absolutely no impact on my life, or the lives of about 95% of the population, so I don't see why it's even an issue.

John and Mary getting married has no effect on my life, so I don't see how Adam and Steve getting married would be any different.

So if you are against it, ask yourself how the marraige of two people you don't know would have any impact on your life. The answer will always be the same. No impact whatsoever.

fonecrusher1 · 01-09-2010 11:43AM

starbelgrade wrote: »

So, what your saying is, is that you'd only make an effort to vote on a civil rights if the issue effects you directly?

No he's not saying that at all. He's saying he doesn't give a sh!t one way or the other. And im of the same opinion.

Just being honest.

eightyfish · 01-09-2010 11:44AM

Pherekydes wrote: »

All well and good, but the fact of the matter is that if the issue came to be proposed for a referendum, the religious right would try to fudge the issue by introducing the adoption issue

I agree with you. I voted yes.

Some posters in the other thread were saying this vote would only be 55% in favour or even less- I'm glad to see it's not working out that way.

Fratton Fred · 01-09-2010 11:47AM

It is up to the church if they provide gay weddings, but the state should offer the ability to get married to anyone and everyone.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 01-09-2010 11:47AM

eightyfish wrote: »

Yes but every time the topic comes up, adoption comes up. In fact, that is the main reason why Catholic groups, such as the one on the Frontline, oppose gay marriage. Therefore people of that inclination would vote against gay marriage for that reason. This is why I specifically included it in the poll. This is to determine what the outcome would be if the only demographic voting on a referendum was us on boards.

This is the only reason Catholic groups can continue their hate fight - by scaremongering and confusing issues. If a referendum came before the people with gay marraige ONLY on the agenda, this would not be an accpetable argument.

eightyfish wrote: »

They are not for some of the people who would vote no, therefore they are not in terms of this thread.

This people need to do some proper research then, rather than turning to a church or a tabloid and being told what to think.

eightyfish · 01-09-2010 11:54AM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

If a referendum came before the people with gay marraige ONLY on the agenda, this would not be an accpetable argument.

It isn't an acceptable argument. Nevertheless it is one reason, perceived or otherwise, that a lot of people would vote no if the marriage question was put to the country. So the vote described in this thread would give gay couples the exact same rights as any other married couple, including the same rights for adoption consideration - in other words their sexuality could not be called into question.

MarkGrisham · 01-09-2010 11:58AM

I'm not that pushed about marriage in general, but **** it why shouldn't gays be able to do it? I say yes.

Miguel_Sanchez · 01-09-2010 12:00PM

This has been posted previously on this topic but Keith Olbermann puts it so very very well that it's worth posting again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HpTBF6EfxY

bnt · 01-09-2010 12:13PM

Is gay marriage actually banned in Ireland? If you look at Article 41 of the Constitution, which is all about the Family, it doesn't say anything about a Family being founded on a heterosexual relationship.

There is that male-chauvinistic bit about a woman's "life within the home", which is (IMHO) a bit too specific to be in a Constitution, but it's just a "recognition", not a requirement. Someone should ask Mary Harney what she thinks of that bit. Ow.

In general, I always come back to the American idea of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" as the best way of putting it. I don't mind what people do, as long as they aren't doing it to me.

aDeener · 01-09-2010 12:15PM

absolutely, if it meant and end to all the gay marriage threads

checkyabadself · 01-09-2010 12:17PM

Ive seen that Olberman video before. I don't disagree with the message, but he's just so cringeworthy. Typical US dramatics.

hobochris · 01-09-2010 12:19PM

No, Instead I would abolish marriage as a legal term and bring in civil partnership for all(straight,gay,bi etc..).

so in a marriage ceremony the document signed would be a civil partnership document.

might seem a trivial thing but it makes the situation fair to all.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 01-09-2010 12:23PM

eightyfish wrote: »

It isn't an acceptable argument. Nevertheless it is one reason, perceived or otherwise, that a lot of people would vote no if the marriage question was put to the country. So the vote described in this thread would give gay couples the exact same rights as any other married couple, including the same rights for adoption consideration - in other words their sexuality could not be called into question.

Would depend on the wording of the referendum - whcih the OP won't be writing. Also, If it came to be, I think it would be worded as "civil partnership" rather than marraige.

Beyond that, I can only hope that such neddlessly scared morons don't exist in strong enough numbers to prevent either the Church gaining power or this country moving forward.

01-09-2010 12:25PM

checkyabadself wrote: »

Ive seen that Olberman video before. I don't disagree with the message, but he's just so cringeworthy. Typical US dramatics.

Yea he comes across as very sappy with the intent of tugging on the heart strings. He's the same as Bill O'Reilly et al except from a 'liberal:rolleyes:' perspective.

PeterIanStaker · 01-09-2010 12:29PM

who what when wrote: »

Nope, marriage is a thing men and women do before they have 2.4 children If it aint broke, dont fix it!

is that you Ronan Mullen?

hinault · 01-09-2010 12:31PM

No.

I am a happily married heterosexual man.

Miguel_Sanchez · 01-09-2010 12:34PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yea he comes across as very sappy with the intent of tugging on the heart strings. He's the same as Bill O'Reilly et al except from a 'liberal:rolleyes:' perspective.

It's an emotive subject. The points he makes all stand I think.

Miguel_Sanchez · 01-09-2010 12:34PM

hinault wrote: »

No.

I am a happily married heterosexual man.

You can vote Yes without having to get gay married yourself you know.

Nodin · 01-09-2010 12:35PM

boatbuilder wrote: »

I'm saddened that most of Western Europe has lost any semblance of morals or family values.

Funnily enough, most of Western Europe no longer persecutes the Jews/Protestants/Catholics, has enacted legislation giving women equal rights, stopping institutional racism and child labour too.....Roll on more moral decline I say.

Would you vote to introduce full gay marriage in Ireland?

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