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CHEMTRAILS

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  • #32
    Lone Stone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭Lone Stone


    I never beleaved in chem trail stuff but then when that volcano went off last year and all the planes were grounded the skys were crystal clear very few clouds and now im i am paronoid *puts on tin foil hat*


  • #33
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,442 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    demonspawn wrote: »
    Perhaps Ireland doesn't see the concentration of chemtrails that other countries see.

    Convenient. Can you show evidence of heavy metals as a direct result of aircraft in other countries?
    demonspawn wrote: »
    No they haven't, hence the whole "climategate" scandal we've seen recently. Scientists are currently unable to account for the recent drop in global temperatures. I don't really think you know enough on this subject to make accurate statements.

    So do you have any studies that global temps have actually decreased over the last say, 50 years? I suppose the increased melting of the Arctic is being made up too. Or how about this:

    seaice.area.arctic.png

    The volume of sea ice has fallen significantly over just 30 years. Is this made up?
    demonspawn wrote: »
    Anyway, this is the problem with being a skeptic. You refuse to believe what's staring you in the face, regardless of any evidence provided. As such, I'm not going to pull my hair out trying to provide what you may deem as sufficient evidence to prove my case. You either get it or you don't.

    If evidence was actually provided it might help.


  • #34
    Jeboa Safari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭Jeboa Safari


    Lone Stone wrote: »
    I never beleaved in chem trail stuff but then when that volcano went off last year and all the planes were grounded the skys were crystal clear very few clouds and now im i am paronoid *puts on tin foil hat*

    It was nice to see the skies clear alright, but thats not evidence of chemtrails.


  • #35
    Scarab80
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 802 ✭✭✭Scarab80


    demonspawn wrote: »
    The continued decline in global temperatures over the past 40-50 years which are repeatedly quoted by climate change skeptics.

    Oh Really??

    figure1-3-l.png


  • #36
    demonspawn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭demonspawn


    Yes really. You can clearly see that from 1940 to 1980 there was a very distinct drop in global temperatures. This is what scientists are having difficulty explaining.

    Perhaps the sudden rise in temperatures after 1980 is due to an over saturation of chemicals in the atmosphere and it's now reflecting the earth's own radiation back down, causing another greenhouse effect.


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  • #37
    demonspawn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭demonspawn


    namloc1980 wrote: »

    If evidence was actually provided it might help.
    Winner of four Canadian journalism awards, articles and photographs by William Thomas have appeared in more than 50 publications in eight countries, with translations into French, Dutch and Japanese. Clips from his video documentaries have appeared on CNN, NBC, the CBC and the current mainstream movie release, “The Corporation”.

    After a five-year investigation into chemtrails - including interviews with air traffic controllers (thanks to reporter ST Brendt), scientists actually involved in this project (thanks to reporter Bob Fitrakis), NASA and NOAA atmospheric studies, and corroboration from independent scientific lab tests on rain and snow samples falling through chemtrails (thanks to my Espanola correspondent, and Dave Dickie in Edmonton), I can state emphatically that chemtrails are not contrails. So what exactly are chemtrails? And what evidence is offered by the award-winning reporter who first broke this story?


    I really hate to repeat myself, so try to keep up. Please disprove this guy's claims before asking for further evidence.


  • #38
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,442 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    demonspawn wrote: »



    I really hate to repeat myself, so try to keep up. Please disprove this guy's claims before asking for further evidence.

    Where are his claims/evidence?? All I can find are links to "buy this book/video".


  • #39
    demonspawn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭demonspawn


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Where are his claims/evidence?? All I can find are links to "buy this book/video".

    Nah man, I'm done providing evidence. You disprove his claims, stop being a lazy skeptic.


  • #40
    Scarab80
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 802 ✭✭✭Scarab80


    demonspawn wrote: »
    Yes really. You can clearly see that from 1940 to 1980 there was a very distinct drop in global temperatures. This is what scientists are having difficulty explaining.

    Perhaps the sudden rise in temperatures after 1980 is due to an over saturation of chemicals in the atmosphere and it's now reflecting the earth's own radiation back down, causing another greenhouse effect.

    Ok let's first of all ignore the fact that you said the last 40 -50 years during which time temperatures have been consistently warmer.....

    Scientists have no problem in explaining the drop in temperature from 1940, the reason was the increase in industrial activity during and after WW2 prior to the introduction of clear air acts. During this period we pumped out millions of tons in sulphate particulates into the air reflecting the sun's light and decreasing global temperature. Following the introduction of the clean air acts the amount of sulphate aerosols decreased and the effect of greenhouse gases which had been masked by this effect became apparent. Also there was a major volcanic eruption in 1963 which had the same effect and is believed to have reduced global temperatures by 0.5% alone. Its the same kind of geo-engineering you attribute to contrails, however inhaling sulphate aerolsols is not good for your health.

    The rise in temperature is indeed due to chemicals in the atmosphere, specifically CO2 (Carbon Dioxide), N20 (Nitrous Oxide) and CH4 (Methane), unfortunately for your theory the sources of these chemicals are well understood.


  • #41
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,442 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    demonspawn wrote: »
    Nah man, I'm done providing evidence. You disprove his claims, stop being a lazy skeptic.

    LOL :pac: I went to his website, clicked on the video link for his "chemtrail" video but it must be paid for. So this "chemtrail" warrior is out to make €€€'s. :pac: So can you link his evidence that doesn't have to be paid for???


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  • #42
    demonspawn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭demonspawn


    Scarab80 wrote: »
    Ok let's first of all ignore the fact that you said the last 40 -50 years during which time temperatures have been consistently warmer.....

    Scientists have no problem in explaining the drop in temperature from 1940, the reason was the increase in industrial activity during and after WW2 prior to the introduction of clear air acts. During this period we pumped out millions of tons in sulphate particulates into the air reflecting the sun's light and decreasing global temperature. Following the introduction of the clean air acts the amount of sulphate aerosols decreased and the effect of greenhouse gases which had been masked by this effect became apparent. Also there was a major volcanic eruption in 1963 which had the same effect and is believed to have reduced global temperatures by 0.5% alone. Its the same kind of geo-engineering you attribute to contrails, however inhaling sulphate aerolsols is not good for your health.

    The rise in temperature is indeed due to chemicals in the atmosphere, specifically CO2 (Carbon Dioxide), N20 (Nitrous Oxide) and CH4 (Methane), unfortunately for your theory the sources of these chemicals are well understood.

    Links would be nice, and your comment also confirms man-made climate change. All those climate deniers are gonna be pissed! :D


  • #43
    Jeboa Safari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭Jeboa Safari


    demonspawn wrote: »
    They are not intentionally spraying us with these chemicals, that's just an unfortunate side effect. Collateral damage if you will.

    Wouldn't they also end up spraying themselves with these chemicals if that was the case? Which doesn't seem like a likely thing for them to do.
    demonspawn wrote:
    Airlines have little, if any, knowledge of this. The chemicals are introduced into the jetfuel before it's shipped to the airport.
    The Discover Channel did a documentary which tested jet fuel, and didn't find a significant ammount of these chemicals.


  • #44
    demonspawn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭demonspawn


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    LOL :pac: I went to his website, clicked on the video link for his "chemtrail" video but it must be paid for. So this "chemtrail" warrior is out to make €€€'s. :pac: So can you link his evidence that doesn't have to be paid for???

    I've already found several sites claiming he's a fraud. You're not trying hard enough man!! As I said, I'm done providing evidence. Time for you to provide evidence to back up your claims, that is if you actually do have a claim to back up and you're not just here to refute any and all claims made by CTers.


  • #45
    lalee17
    Closed Accounts Posts: 688 ✭✭✭lalee17


    I've a complete open mind to this whole thing. However I don't understand why these mystery men would put chemicals like aluminium dust into the atmosphere..? :confused:

    Wouldn't remains from these added chemicals show up in the jet engines?


  • #46
    demonspawn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭demonspawn


    Jeboa Safari wrote: »
    Wouldn't they also end up spraying themselves with these chemicals if that was the case? Which doesn't seem like a likely thing for them to do.


    The Discover Channel did a documentary which tested jet fuel, and didn't find a significant ammount of these chemicals.

    So you're saying they did actually find these chemicals, but only in small quantities? Perhaps those would be residues left behind from when the tanks were full of treated fuel? I think you just proved my point quite nicely, thanks. :)


  • #47
    demonspawn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭demonspawn


    lalee17 wrote: »
    I've a complete open mind to this whole thing. However I don't understand why these mystery men would put chemicals like aluminium dust into the atmosphere..? :confused:

    Wouldn't remains from these added chemicals show up in the jet engines?

    To reflect the sun's rays in order to reverse the effects of man-made global warming.

    They probably would but regular citizens are not allowed to inspect commercial aircraft as far as I know.


  • #48
    lalee17
    Closed Accounts Posts: 688 ✭✭✭lalee17


    Well of course 'regular citizens' aren't allowed inspect commercial aircraft. Surely aeronautical engineers do. But why wouldn't they raise questions about strange residue on the engines?


  • #49
    Jeboa Safari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭Jeboa Safari


    demonspawn wrote: »
    So you're saying they did actually find these chemicals, but only in small quantities? Perhaps those would be residues left behind from when the tanks were full of treated fuel? I think you just proved my point quite nicely, thanks. :)

    Jesus if your going to be so tedious let me rephrase it then. They didn't find anything abnormal on the test, which was a random sample.

    And well done on ignoring my first point.


  • #50
    Scarab80
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 802 ✭✭✭Scarab80


    demonspawn wrote: »
    Links would be nice, and your comment also confirms man-made climate change. All those climate deniers are gonna be pissed! :D

    Sure, here you go

    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v453/n7195/full/nature06982.html

    Yes my comments support man made global warming, I believe that anthropogenic factors are a major cause in the rise in global temperatures, as that is what the evidence bears out.

    I don't know why you would bring that up as a point, you wouldn't have gone and lumped climate skeptics and CT skeptics together purely on the basis that the word skeptic is included in both there would you, nahhhh you couldn't have......


  • #51
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,442 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    demonspawn wrote: »
    I've already found several sites claiming he's a fraud. You're not trying hard enough man!! As I said, I'm done providing evidence. Time for you to provide evidence to back up your claims, that is if you actually do have a claim to back up and you're not just here to refute any and all claims made by CTers.

    :pac: and the backing down begins. So the guy you linked with the "evidence" turns out to be in it for the €€€$$$£££ and you have nothing else?? BTW you are the one making claims, and the evidence you linked must be paid for :pac:


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  • #52
    demonspawn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭demonspawn


    lalee17 wrote: »
    Well of course 'regular citizens' aren't allowed inspect commercial aircraft. Surely aeronautical engineers do. But why wouldn't they raise questions about strange residue on the engines?

    For fear of being labeled a lunatic and being fired from their job?

    "Hey boss, I just found aluminum powder all over the back of this jet engine!"

    "Don't worry about it, just scrape it off and get back to work."


  • #53
    Jeboa Safari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭Jeboa Safari


    demonspawn wrote: »
    For fear of being labeled a lunatic and being fired from their job?

    "Hey boss, I just found aluminum powder all over the back of this jet engine!"

    "Don't worry about it, just scrape it off and get back to work."

    So they would rather risk themselves and their families being poisoned, as you put it, instead?


  • #54
    demonspawn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭demonspawn


    Scarab80 wrote: »
    I don't know why you would bring that up as a point, you wouldn't have gone and lumped climate skeptics and CT skeptics together purely on the basis that the word skeptic is included in both there would you, nahhhh you couldn't have......

    Yeah, I don't really know either. All this "show us proof, show us proof!" on a conspiracy theory forum is driving me mental. I've provided evidence to support my claim but it's just never enough for some people.


  • #55
    demonspawn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭demonspawn


    Jeboa Safari wrote: »
    So they would rather risk themselves and their families being poisoned, as you put it, instead?

    I've never said anyone's being deliberately poisoned, please show me where I have. If you can't then might I suggest you find your way back to the politics forum? We both know why you're really here, don't we?


  • #56
    lalee17
    Closed Accounts Posts: 688 ✭✭✭lalee17


    demonspawn wrote: »
    For fear of being labeled a lunatic and being fired from their job?

    "Hey boss, I just found aluminum powder all over the back of this jet engine!"

    "Don't worry about it, just scrape it off and get back to work."

    What? That might be the most ridiculous post I've ever read on this site. Engineers are people that are supposed to report strange things like that and find answers as to why they occurred.


  • #57
    demonspawn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭demonspawn


    lalee17 wrote: »
    What? That might be the most ridiculous post I've ever read on this site. Engineers are people that are supposed to report strange things like that and find answers as to why they occurred.

    Sure, they can report all they like but it's up to the person they report to to take any action. People very high up in the military have been reporting UFO sightings for years but they are largely ignored. What's your point?


  • #58
    Scarab80
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 802 ✭✭✭Scarab80


    demonspawn wrote: »
    Yeah, I don't really know either. All this "show us proof, show us proof!" on a conspiracy theory forum is driving me mental. I've provided evidence to support my claim but it's just never enough for some people.

    http://downloads.climatescience.gov/sap/sap2-3/sap2-3-final-report-all.pdf

    By the way here is a NASA paper in relation to the effects of aerosols on our climate, the main aerosols being sulphate, black carbon, organic matter, dust and sea salt - contrails don't seem to figure to highly.

    Sorry couldn't find it in the form of youtube video.


  • #59
    demonspawn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭demonspawn


    Scarab80 wrote: »
    http://downloads.climatescience.gov/sap/sap2-3/sap2-3-final-report-all.pdf

    By the way here is a NASA paper in relation to the effects of aerosols on our climate, the main aerosols being sulphate, black carbon, organic matter, dust and sea salt - contrails don't seem to figure to highly.

    Sorry couldn't find it in the form of youtube video.

    Can you find any info from a source not directly funded by the government of the United States of America? I don't consider NASA to be an unbiased source of information.

    Edit: Don't forget, NASA almost killed E.T. :(


  • #60
    Jeboa Safari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭Jeboa Safari


    demonspawn wrote: »
    I've never said anyone's being deliberately poisoned, please show me where I have. If you can't then might I suggest you find your way back to the politics forum? We both know why you're really here, don't we?

    Show me where I said you said they're deliberately risking their families being poisoned?
    We both know why you're really here, don't we?

    Eh what? Why am I 'really' here?


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  • #61
    demonspawn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭demonspawn


    Jeboa Safari wrote: »
    Show me where I said you said they're being deliberatly being poisoned?



    Eh what? Why am I 'really' here?

    Yeah, nvm. I'll just ignore your posts. Sorry for any confusion.


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