Soon to need a prescription for Nurofen/Solphadine/etc?

arybvtcw0eolkf · 22-08-2010 10:01AM

penguin88 wrote: »

I don't like to say this, and I'm not trying to accuse any posters of anything, but being willing to order such medicines online or to travel up North just to avoid having to have a conversation with a pharmacist and answer a few questions are kinda suggestive of drug-seeking behaviour, common in addiction.

Yup, I do the same with the off licence since our Nanny state decided that we're all too young & silly to buy a few can's after 10pm...

Ever see the que's in the off licences at 9:45pm?.. They're all addicts, yea?.. Why don't you take your councilling services there too.

policeman · 22-08-2010 11:15AM

allthedoyles wrote: »

Could someone tell me if codeine and difene are the same . - and does ibruprofen do the same job as difene ?

Nope. Codeine is an opiate/morphine based. Difene is NSAID like ibuprofen, aspirin

iPlop · 22-08-2010 11:22AM

I buy mine off the net now!!! and I love informing the pharmacist of this;)

policeman · 22-08-2010 11:27AM

Wow, now scientists are saying we need to take a close look at psychedelics with a view to maybe using them to treat depression, as in LSD, Ketamine, and Psilocybin [magic mushrooms]. Count me in

.

[Mind/mood altering] Drugs are demonized when it doesn't suit society to have people going around taking them [people loaded with pharmaceuticals are not fully productive worker bees - reduced profits for employers] but of course then when a 'legal/pharmaceutical' use and dosage is accepted, it really can be a different story. There will always be issues with the, ahem, 'dosage'/how they're taken. And then of course the drug companies make billions in profits either way

policeman · 22-08-2010 11:39AM

Septic Leper wrote: »

I buy mine off the net now!!! and I love informing the pharmacist of this;)

Wait for nanny state to monitor internet transactions next

Kurtosis · 22-08-2010 01:46PM

Jax Pitiful Labyrinth wrote: »

Yup, I do the same with the off licence since our Nanny state decided that we're all too young & silly to buy a few can's after 10pm...

Ever see the que's in the off licences at 9:45pm?.. They're all addicts, yea?.. Why don't you take your councilling services there too.

Again the silly comparison with alcohol...you have a problem with off licence opening hours and having a discussion with a pharmacist before buying a medicine.

They're completely different, one is a recreational drug being sold by someone who has a licence to sell booze, the other is a therapeutic drug indicated to treat specified conditions being sold by a healthcare professional. There's a reason why counselling is justified in one case and not the other.

Do you have a problem with the "nanny state" forcing you to go to a doctor just to be able to buy any of the many medicines that are on prescription?

policeman · 22-08-2010 05:36PM

In this ongoing debate there are 2 types of people in the world:

1. Sensible, law abiding, those who follow the rules, those who have a black-white approach to right and wrong

2. Wreckless, rule hating, drug crazy "nut jobs":), who give in to their human addiction tendancies, and have a penchant for mind altering chemicals, wherever they may find them.

The sensible ones look down on the wreckless, as weak and pathetic, and abhor their lifestyle.

The wreckless see the sensible as pious, anal, dull killjoys

So you see we'll just go round in circles on this one.

Famous people who have used opium/opiates:

Charles Dickens
Arthur Conan Doyle
Pablo Picasso
Sir Walter Scott
King George V
Oscar Wilde

And other substances, just for good measure:

Bill gates - LSD
Steve Jobs -LSD, Cannabis
Aldous Huxley - LSD, Mescaline
Jack Nicholson - LSD
Helen Mirren - LSD
Queen Victoria- Opium, cannabis, chloroform, coca wine
Salvador Dali - Hashish

sesna · 22-08-2010 07:42PM

Septic Leper wrote: »

I buy mine off the net now!!! and I love informing the pharmacist of this;)

I doubt he/she gives a $hit, really.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 22-08-2010 08:03PM

sesna wrote: »

I doubt he/she gives a $hit, really.

I'd say your wrong.

I'd say they go ape sh*t.

They're in the game to make money, and now the government is restricting their abilities to rip us off.. Yup, ape sh*t.

sesna · 22-08-2010 08:13PM

Jax Pitiful Labyrinth wrote: »

I'd say your wrong.

I'd say they go ape sh*t.

They're in the game to make money, and now the government is restricting their abilities to rip us off.. Yup, ape sh*t.

I really doubt they care if someone is buying online illegally. It's not widespread so I doubt they give a $hit.

Aside from that you're wrong on many counts. The government has not restricted their ability to make money. They can sell still sell codeine. Also the government is not the pharmacy regulator. And the law hasn't changed so nothing has been restricted.

How were you ripped off? Did you receive counterfeit medication or something ?

iPlop · 22-08-2010 08:21PM

sesna wrote: »

I really doubt they care if someone is buying online illegally. It's not widespread so I doubt they give a $hit.

Aside from that you're wrong on many counts. The government has not restricted their ability to make money. They can sell still sell codeine. It's not been made illegal. Also the government is not the pharmacy regulator. And the law hasn't changed.

How were you ripped off? Did you receive counterfeit medication or something ?

They seem to telling the pharmacies what to do these days:)Acting like regulators me thinks!!!;)

bleg · 22-08-2010 08:37PM

Septic Leper wrote: »

They seem to telling the pharmacies what to do these days:)Acting like regulators me thinks!!!;)

Wat?

sesna · 22-08-2010 08:42PM

Septic Leper wrote: »

They seem to telling the pharmacies what to do these days:)Acting like regulators me thinks!!!;)

You seem to be mixing up Matthew Elderfield with the pharmacy regulator.

Spoonuala · 22-08-2010 08:49PM

This is what happens when people abuse drugs. Nurofen and Solpadeine are sometimes necessary, i suffer from Migraines and the only thing that enables me to function is Nurofen plus, I only take it when I need to, some people take it for a slight niggle. It really grinds my gears. My tip is to stock up when you go to the continent, no need for prescription and you can buy a box of 48 for 2 euro, the generic brand, here the drugs companies are cleaning up... cos they know people are addicted... so the main problem here is addiction be it to alcohol, painkillers, food, ... don't know why people who use drugs correctly should be penalised!

iPlop · 22-08-2010 08:49PM

sesna wrote: »

You seem to be mixing up Matthew Elderfield with the pharmacy regulator.

Who made the decision not to sell if the pharmacist didn't think you needed them?

sesna · 22-08-2010 08:56PM

Spoonuala wrote: »

This is what happens when people abuse drugs. Nurofen and Solpadeine are sometimes necessary, i suffer from Migraines and the only thing that enables me to function is Nurofen plus, I only take it when I need to, some people take it for a slight niggle. It really grinds my gears. My tip is to stock up when you go to the continent, no need for prescription and you can buy a box of 48 for 2 euro, the generic brand, here the drugs companies are cleaning up... cos they know people are addicted... so the main problem here is addiction be it to alcohol, painkillers, food, ... don't know why people who use drugs correctly should be penalised!

I ate three times already today, do I have an addiction to food ?

Spoonuala · 22-08-2010 09:12PM

Just because you have eaten three times a day doesn't make u addicted. You need food to live, however certain types of food are addictive ie those laden with fat and sugar and various other chemicals that are added. So these are like drugs to some people and they become addicted to eating them, Just like some people pop nurofen like they are smarties. They get the high for taking them into their body. so overeating crap is exactly the same as taking too many painkillers both stem from addiction.

gbee · 23-08-2010 01:27AM

Spoonuala wrote: »

They get the high for taking them into their body.

Not necessarily true. The subject drugs in this thread don't give 'highs'

What happens is this, a bad pain, Solf or Nuro+ is recommended and the patient gets relief of their pain.

Body decides it wants MORE so it recreates the pain so the patient takes more Solf or Nurf.

The pain is real.

policeman · 23-08-2010 03:12AM

gbee wrote: »

Not necessarily true. The subject drugs in this thread don't give 'highs'

Actually 4 x nurofen plus at once give you 4 x 12.8 mgs of codeine which is sufficient to cause a noticeable effect. Go higher than that and the effect can be even stronger

Herbal Deity · 23-08-2010 09:57AM

gbee wrote: »

Not necessarily true. The subject drugs in this thread don't give 'highs'

Lolwut?

Codeine most certainly causes highs. It metabolizes to morphine, which is very closely related to heroin. Plenty of people take codeine recreationally.

At recommended dosages (max about 26mg), the effects are less noticeable, but on an empty stomach, you can feel them.

But, as mentioned above, I reckon that anyone addicted to taking Nurofen would be taking slightly more than the recommended dose. ~60mg of codeine would give a noticeable high and be close to a light recreational dose.

Kurtosis · 23-08-2010 04:36PM

policeman wrote: »

Actually come to think of it you don't have any type of filter papers do you?"

It would probably be a good idea not to advertise or shout about extracting codeine from these products. Codeine in the likes of Solpadeine is considered as a schedule 5 controlled drug as a result of it being a low dose and combined with other ingredients, and hence it's subjected to few controls (available OTC). By extracting it and getting codeine in a pure, bulk form (i.e. not as part of a product), it is now a schedule 2 controlled drug (the same schedule as morphine, heroin and cocaine). If you do not hold a valid prescription for such CD2 drugs, you can be charged with possession.

But of course if you have a genuine need for codeine as a single treatment, I'm sure a doctor would have no problem prescribing it.

Calibos · 23-08-2010 05:21PM

I want something that works, not something that merely lessens the pain or something that gets rid of the pain but an hour or two later than Nurofen+. For me with Nurofen+ I know that within about 30 minutes when its metabolised the pain will be gone full stop.

I need to by a pack of 24 every 2 or 3 weeks because there are seven adults in the house but one with a car who does the weeks shopping for everyone. None of us take more than 1 or 2 doses in a given day and mostly it'll be a week or two between headaches/pains/single dose. However with seven of us that means a pack of 24 lasts about 2 or 3 weeks. I am being punished for other peoples stupidity. I am looked at like an addict. The very same people accepted my 7 people explanation before the new rules but now won't, despite me pushing in a trolley with 400 euros worth of food stacked high in it every week. ie. I am not eating all this myself every week so please trust me when I say I am not eating that much Nurofen either!! Maybe I'll have to talk to the staff because its getting ridiculous listening to the same spiel every time I go in and only being sold 12 if I am lucky.

However even the fulls days max dose no more than 3 days in a row is a load of crap. I had a wisdom tooth extraction that got dry socket and then an infection. I was taking full days Nurofen+ and a full days Solphedine offset by 2 hours from each other for a full week, followed by another 3 or 4 days of just full days max dose of Nurofen+. ON the tenth day I stopped and a sicky but managable headache came on (as opposed to a blinding headache). That'll be the codeine withdrawl headache I said to myself. Took regular Panadol before bed that night. That was it. Was right as rain with no desire for more N+ or Solpedine thereafter.

markiemark2005 · 23-08-2010 05:25PM

Went up to Newry and got myself 36 solphaine for 6 quid.

Mark 1 Nanny State 0.

Manic Preacher · 23-08-2010 05:26PM

Is there stats anywhere in terms of male/female use? Seems to me that most users are women.

sesna · 23-08-2010 05:46PM

Calibos wrote: »

I want something that works, not something that merely lessens the pain or something that gets rid of the pain but an hour or two later than Nurofen+. For me with Nurofen+ I know that within about 30 minutes when its metabolised the pain will be gone full stop.

I need to by a pack of 24 every 2 or 3 weeks because there are seven adults in the house but one with a car who does the weeks shopping for everyone. None of us take more than 1 or 2 doses in a given day and mostly it'll be a week or two between headaches/pains/single dose. However with seven of us that means a pack of 24 lasts about 2 or 3 weeks. I am being punished for other peoples stupidity. I am looked at like an addict. The very same people accepted my 7 people explanation before the new rules but now won't, despite me pushing in a trolley with 400 euros worth of food stacked high in it every week. ie. I am not eating all this myself every week so please trust me when I say I am not eating that much Nurofen either!! Maybe I'll have to talk to the staff because its getting ridiculous listening to the same spiel every time I go in and only being sold 12 if I am lucky.

However even the fulls days max dose no more than 3 days in a row is a load of crap. I had a wisdom tooth extraction that got dry socket and then an infection. I was taking full days Nurofen+ and a full days Solphedine offset by 2 hours from each other for a full week, followed by another 3 or 4 days of just full days max dose of Nurofen+. ON the tenth day I stopped and a sicky but managable headache came on (as opposed to a blinding headache). That'll be the codeine withdrawl headache I said to myself. Took regular Panadol before bed that night. That was it. Was right as rain with no desire for more N+ or Solpedine thereafter.

Do you live in a hippy commune or something? And all seven of you have this need for Nurofen Plus. Maybe you should try Lemsip instead if its just for headache. It's highly unlikely that all of you need a codeine product.

Also despite what you suggest, I dont think the decision on whether or not to supply you codeine should not be based on what you have in the trolley you are pushing around.

I suppose the manufacturers and the Irish Medicines Board got it all wrong on addiction potential because you "were right as rain" but not before your "manageable but not blinding headache" codeine withdrawal headache.

Tucking Fypo · 23-08-2010 05:59PM

I think this is long over-due. Solpadeine (and others containing codeine) should never have been over the counter, as it is addictive for many many people.

I am close to someone who got addicted to it after using it for genuine pain. They now get rebound pain from not taking Solpadeine which has resulted in a box a day habit.

They are on program since the beginning of the month under supervision of a GP to wean themselves off. It is going well. In between the time of 1st August and waiting to get on this program, I knew they needed the Solpadeine and as they were so known for buying it, I bought it for them in various different chemists. The difference in each chemists 'questions' were startling!

kowloon · 23-08-2010 07:14PM

I was using Solpadeine to help with Neuropathy up until I ran out over the weekend and found out today I couldn't get more. It's hard to find something that works at all but the Solpadeine seemed to help a little. I wish I'd paid more attention, I thought it was just going behind the counter.

sesna · 23-08-2010 07:27PM

kowloon wrote: »

I was using Solpadeine to help with Neuropathy up until I ran out over the weekend and found out today I couldn't get more. It's hard to find something that works at all but the Solpadeine seemed to help a little. I wish I'd paid more attention, I thought it was just going behind the counter.

Get it on prescription. You can only use it for 3 days continuously anyway without a prescription.

kowloon · 23-08-2010 07:39PM

sesna wrote: »

Get it on prescription. You can only use it for 3 days continuously anyway without a prescription.

That's the plan, but too late for today.

Kurtosis · 23-08-2010 07:51PM

kowloon wrote: »

That's the plan, but too late for today.

If you go into a pharmacy (if there is one that opens late nearby that you can get to this evening) and explain honestly what your situation is, I would imagine they should give you some to last you until you can get to your doctor.

Soon to need a prescription for Nurofen/Solphadine/etc?

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