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Some stupid questions because we don't have a FAQ

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  • #32
    Jazzkamiden
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 172 ✭✭Jazzkamiden


    I thought you had to defeat 4 though. :confused:
    You can make the thread if you want. ;3


  • #33
    elekid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭elekid


    Yeah, every Rattata defeated gives you 1 speed EV.
    4 speed EVs gives you 1 extra point in your speed stat.
    You can earn up to 255 EVs or 64 points per stat.
    You can only have 510 EVs per Pokemon which means you can really only max the EVs for 2 stats.

    Does that makes sense? :)


  • #34
    Atavan-Halen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,183 ✭✭✭✭Atavan-Halen


    Ok, I have a question 'cos I'm sort of new to the whole ev thing :P

    Let's say I faint 20 rattata's which would give me 5 points in my speed stat. Now, let's say I still need 1,000 exp until my Pokémon gets to it's next level, can I just defeat something else to get that 1,000 exp in one go or do I have to continue defeating ratatta's to get the speed increase?

    Problem is it's quite hard to do it with a level 59 Luxray defeating level 20 rattata's and Magikarps. I gave it the Pokérus and Power Anklet too.


  • #35
    elekid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭elekid


    Defeating other stuff will give you EVs in stats you don't want (unless you find something higher level that gives Attack EVs), so you have to focus on the Rattatas. The first 510* Pokémon you defeat have to be the ones you want EVs from.

    From the sound of it you might already have used up your Luxrays 510 EVs getting it to level 59 in the first place :(

    There's a woman in a house in Blackthorn City who'll give it an Effort Ribbon if its EVs are maxed. If she does, there's no point going any further with the EV training unless you erase its existing EVs with berries, something I've never done before.

    *510 or less if you use Pokérus/EV items

    Edit:

    Give it 11 Pomeg Berries to reduce its HP EVs to 0
    Give it 11 Kelpsy Berries to reduce its Attack EVs to 0
    Give it 11 Qualot Berries to reduce its Defense EVs to 0
    Give it 11 Hondew Berries to reduce its Special Attack EVs to 0
    Give it 11 Grepa Berries to reduce its Special Defense EVs to 0
    Give it 11 Tamato Berries to reduce its Speed EVs to 0


  • #36
    Atavan-Halen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,183 ✭✭✭✭Atavan-Halen


    Well see I got it at level 32 so there could have been some training to it before.

    I'm speed training it because it's attack is fine at the moment. I battled the fisherman with 6 magikarps to the left of the city which name eludes me right now :P. Battled him few times and got luxray to up it's speed by 18 when it levelled up. Tried to do it again but it wouldn't so probably has maxed it's ev's. It just gives a mix of other stats each time.

    I'll try it again a few times and then use some berries if it doesn't work out.


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  • #37
    Jazzkamiden
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 172 ✭✭Jazzkamiden


    elekid wrote: »
    Yeah, every Rattata defeated gives you 1 speed EV.
    4 speed EVs gives you 1 extra point in your speed stat.
    You can earn up to 255 EVs or 64 points per stat.
    You can only have 510 EVs per Pokemon which means you can really only max the EVs for 2 stats.

    Does that makes sense? :)

    Sort of. :)

    But what happens to the ones that give you 2 and 3 points?


  • #38
    Wobbuffet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭Wobbuffet


    To EV train efficiently you need to get a pen and piece of paper and make a note of exactly how many EVs each Pokemon get. So if you are fighting Rattata each time one is defeated, thats one EV so defeating four Rattata will give you 1 extra stat in Speed. Defeating each Raticate give you 2 Speed EV so you will only have to defeating two Raticate to get one extra stat in speed.

    Make a note for the amount of EV you get for defeating each Pokemon and when you get to 252 EV in one stat, stop as you won't get any further stat boosts

    Remember also when EV training to have the Pokemon hold the Macho Brace to double the EV's gained from each Pokemon defeated. Or holding the Power items available in Battle Frontier gives four EV's in a stat for each Pokemon defeated. If you can have Pokerus this also gives double EV and stacks with the items. So a Pokemon with Pokerus holding the Macho Brace who defeated the same Raticate now gets 8 EV's instead of 2. Makes things go a lot quicker


  • #39
    Jazzkamiden
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 172 ✭✭Jazzkamiden


    Ahhh...I understand! And for 3 it's the same, it just won't be even all the time?


  • #40
    Wobbuffet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭Wobbuffet


    Exactly. Defeating a Gengar will give three Special Attack EV's so defeating two Gengar gives you 1 Special Attack point and 2 EV towards the next one.


  • #41
    Jazzkamiden
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 172 ✭✭Jazzkamiden


    @atavan. Here, I hope this helps http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_by_effort_value_yield :)


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  • #42
    Atavan-Halen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,183 ✭✭✭✭Atavan-Halen


    Ok, still confused. I fought nothing but rattata between level 59 and 61 with my Luxray. Talked to the woman in Blackthorn and said she needs to work harder. Luxray had the Pokérus and Power anklet. When she went from 59 to 60 her HP got +4 and everything else +2. When she went from 60 to 61 her Attack got +4 and everything else +2. Could anyone explain why? Fought well over 20 rattatas each time.


  • #43
    TheChrisD
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    Maybe you've already maxed out the EVs for whatever you're trying to level up?


  • #44
    Jazzkamiden
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 172 ✭✭Jazzkamiden


    Can I find out my SID if if I hatch a Pokémon using the masuda method? I heard you can find it out some way with the Red Gyrados, so I guess you can do it this way?


  • #45
    Atavan-Halen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,183 ✭✭✭✭Atavan-Halen


    TheChrisD wrote: »
    Maybe you've already maxed out the EVs for whatever you're trying to level up?

    Don't think so. Talked to the woman in blackthorn an she won't give me the effort ribbon.


  • #46
    TheChrisD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭TheChrisD


    atavan-halen wrote: »
    Don't think so. Talked to the woman in blackthorn an she won't give me the effort ribbon.

    She only gives that if you have all 510 EVs. I think you already have 255 EVs in whatever stat you're trying to raise, but don't yet have 510 total.


  • #47
    Atavan-Halen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,183 ✭✭✭✭Atavan-Halen


    Ah right, I get it now. Luxray shall be force fed tamato berries so!


  • #48
    Champion Gold
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55 ✭✭Champion Gold


    In this 'Pokeforum', is there a thread for discussing the competitive game?


  • #49
    Jazzkamiden
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 172 ✭✭Jazzkamiden


    No, I'm sure you could make one though.


  • #50
    wobbles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭wobbles


    Guys i thought i had a good grasp of EV training, then i confused myself all over again. Can anyone help me out.

    I want my adamant tauros to have 252 attack, 252 speed and the rest in HP. How do i go about doing that.

    My plan was to give it pokerus, and a power bracer to get attack points and go battle a few gyrados's. Now, can anyone tell me how many of those i need to battle to max out attack.

    EDIT: WOOHOO just got my first effort ribbon. Takes a bit of calculating, but is not as difficult as it thought, you just need to be organised


  • #51
    Wobbuffet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭Wobbuffet


    wobbles wrote: »
    Guys i thought i had a good grasp of EV training, then i confused myself all over again. Can anyone help me out.

    I want my adamant tauros to have 252 attack, 252 speed and the rest in HP. How do i go about doing that.

    My plan was to give it pokerus, and a power bracer to get attack points and go battle a few gyrados's. Now, can anyone tell me how many of those i need to battle to max out attack.

    EDIT: WOOHOO just got my first effort ribbon. Takes a bit of calculating, but is not as difficult as it thought, you just need to be organised

    You can only have a maximum of 510 EV's so putting 252 into Attack and 252 into Spped leaves only 6 for HP, or just one additional point.

    Fighting Gyarados gives 2 EV. Pokerus will double it to 4 EV and the Power Bracer gives you another 4 EV so each Gyarados should give you 8 EV. Meaning you would need to fight just 32 Gyarados to max the Attack stat. Not bad.

    For speed you could battle Golbat and hold the Power Anklet for the same


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  • #52
    wobbles
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    when i was doing it, i got more evs than that per battle. I think the power item kicks in before the pokerus, so a gyrados would give 2 evs, power bracer gives 4, totaling 6 evs and pokerus then doubles this to 12. I used that way and it added up fine


  • #53
    Wobbuffet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭Wobbuffet


    wobbles wrote: »
    when i was doing it, i got more evs than that per battle. I think the power item kicks in before the pokerus, so a gyrados would give 2 evs, power bracer gives 4, totaling 6 evs and pokerus then doubles this to 12. I used that way and it added up fine

    Yes, you're right. Pokerus doubles all EV's so you would be getting 12 per battle. My mistake, sorry


  • #54
    Urizen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,354 ✭✭✭Urizen


    FFS, I never checked Gyarados's EV yield. Assumed since Magikarp gave 1 Speed, it'd give 2 Speed. Now I need Kelpsy berries down my Espeon. Damn Lake of Rage training...


  • #55
    reallyrose
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,727 ✭✭✭reallyrose


    I'm sorry for posting in a necrothread but...

    Can someone explain EV training to me in small easy to understand words?
    I spent pretty much forever evolving my ponyta to Rapidash and he still sucks.
    A bit of reading kept telling me to "EV train" things but I don't know what that means. :(


  • #56
    Buzzthebatgirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭Buzzthebatgirl


    reallyrose wrote: »
    I'm sorry for posting in a necrothread but...

    Can someone explain EV training to me in small easy to understand words?
    I spent pretty much forever evolving my ponyta to Rapidash and he still sucks.
    A bit of reading kept telling me to "EV train" things but I don't know what that means. :(
    With a terribly cute kitten avatar how can I not help explain the idea?

    Effort Value or EV training involves training your Pokémon against other Pokémon and raising up a particular stat. Put simply if you want your Pokémon to be faster, make it fight against Pokémon that give EVs in speed.

    This is all good, but the game has certain "bank" of these special points. 510 to be exact, with each stat only able to take in a maximum of 255. Every 4 of these points gives your Pokémon one extra stat point.

    To add these points to your Pokémon you need to either give the Pokémon the drugs (carbos etc these add +10 to the stat) or battle a wild Pokémon (+what ever the EV the Pokémon gives out). To subtract these points give the Pokémon any of the berries with the distinction "makes a Pokémon friendly, but lowers the X stat". Pokérus and the "Power" items help, but I'm ignoring those for now. Once you get your head around the basics then we'll worry about the extra things :)

    Of course EVs are not the only thing that effect Pokémon stats. There are hidden values that effect the stats. These values are created with you catch/hatch/receive a Pokémon. These values can not be changed by the player. These values are called Individual Values or IVs for short. These points are like the building blocks of the stats, these points range from 0 to 31 and as you can guess 0 is the worst and 31 is the best.

    The big question I bet you have is why bother with all this in the first place? The simple answer is having a Pokémon with great IVs and EV trained has better stats. Take this example of Rapidash A, B and C:

    78.png A Hasty Nature, Stats at Lv50, HP 125 ATK 105 DEF 67 Sp.ATK 85 Sp.DEF 85 SPD 121
    • Rapidash A has 0 IVs and 0 EVs

    78.png B Hasty Nature, Stats at Lv50, HP 140 ATK 120 DEF 81 S.A 100 S.D 100 Speed 137
    • Rapidash B has 31 IVs in all stats and 0 EVs
    78.png C Hasty nature Stats at Lv50, HP 140 ATK 152 DEF 81 S.A 100 S.D 100 Speed 172
    • Rapidash C has 31 IVs in all stats and 255 EVs in Attack and Speed
    Out of those three Rapidash which do you think would be the best to use?


  • #57
    reallyrose
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,727 ✭✭✭reallyrose


    So, this dude:

    78.png B Hasty Nature, Stats at Lv50, HP 140 ATK 120 DEF 81 S.A 100 S.D 100 Speed 137
    • Rapidash B has 31 IVs in all stats and 0 EVs
    Is best?

    Lots of space to fill up with EVs?

    How can you tell what pokemon yields what stat?
    Does the level of the opposing pokemon matter? Like, could I fight lots of level 2 speed EV pokemon?
    What does the nature matter?
    As I can't see what EVs my pokemons have, should I have been keeping track as I go along?
    What about the IV? Is that something else I should have been keeping track of?

    Could I *be* any more of a noob?

    How could I be more of a noob? :-O


  • #58
    Angron
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    For a list of pokemon and their EV yields, look here.

    Natures increase a stat earned at the expense of another stat. You can see what nature changes what stat here.


  • #59
    Buzzthebatgirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭Buzzthebatgirl


    reallyrose wrote: »
    So, this dude:

    78.png B Hasty Nature, Stats at Lv50, HP 140 ATK 120 DEF 81 S.A 100 S.D 100 Speed 137
    • Rapidash B has 31 IVs in all stats and 0 EVs
    Is best?

    Lots of space to fill up with EVs?
    I was thinking that Rapidash C had all it's EVs in Attack and Speed, but maybe you wanted a Special Attacker Rapidash, so having a Rapidash with no EVs is like a blank canvas, you do with it as you want.

    One question I ask is, what do you want to get out of using Pokémon X on your team? Training a Wall is different to training a Sweeper.
    reallyrose wrote: »
    How can you tell what pokemon yields what stat?
    Denny M sniped me on this one. If the Bulbapedia page looks intimadating try the Psypokes tool
    reallyrose wrote: »
    Does the level of the opposing pokemon matter? Like, could I fight lots of level 2 speed EV pokemon?
    The opposing Pokémon level doesn't matter, you gain EVs upon defeating a wild/in-game trainer battle. A wild Lv3 Pidgey will give 1 Speed EV as will a wild Lv58 Pidgey.
    reallyrose wrote: »
    What does the nature matter?
    Again Denny M sniped me on this one, but in plain English a nature gives a +10% boost to one stat at the cost of -10% decrease from another stat. An example is a Bold nature gives a +10% boost to Defence and takes this boost from the Attack stat.
    reallyrose wrote: »
    As I can't see what EVs my pokemons have, should I have been keeping track as I go along?
    Ideally yes, but don't worry about it. The first time I started EV training, I just keep fighting Staravia over and over again until I didn't gain any extra boosts to my speed.

    If you really want to track EVs I highly HIGHLY recommend buying Lukomon app on your iPod, Android or Smart Phone thingy if you have one. It's like having an online Pokédex in your pocket, and it's all OFFLINE. It currently comes in full and lite versions. The full version has an IV Calculator and a very handy EV Tracker tools.

    Failing that a pen and paper works fine too :)
    reallyrose wrote: »
    What about the IV? Is that something else I should have been keeping track of?
    The IVs you can not control easily. These are generated by the game and the values are hidden to you and me. Don't worry about them for now, just know they exist. Just know they give you good stats, you don't need to know more on them for now.
    reallyrose wrote: »
    Could I *be* any more of a noob?
    No, we all had to learn about these things. I was utterly confused about these things at first. I have no head for numbers, I'm more an arty farty kind of person :P
    reallyrose wrote: »
    How could I be more of a noob? :-O
    You could be in our faces with OMG I GAVE MY POKÉMENS ALL DRUGZ AND THEY R NOW EV TRAINED LV100. I AM GONNA BEAT EVERY11111!


  • #60
    Robby91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Robby91


    On the subject of EV's, would you guys say it is essential to build EV's effectively to progress through the game and complete the storyline, or would it mainly be for making things a bit easier and/or battling people over WiFi?

    I've been a bit confused by the concept of IV's and EV's (EV's improve the growth rate of stats for the Pokemon?) and all this talk about them is getting me worried that I would have to build up EV's well if I want to be able to complete the game :o

    Also, if you do manage to mess up your EV training greatly, is there any way to reset the EV's or is it a matter of catching the same Pokemon again (where possible) and leveling/EV training all over again?
    Makes me miss playing Pokemon Blue when I was younger, where the only things I was aware of in the game were catching Pokemon and battling :pac:


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  • #61
    elekid
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    There's no need to EV train to finish the main story, it's perfectly doable without it. EV training will make your Pokémon stronger sure but is really only needed for competitive play.

    It is possible to erase all EVs from a fully EV trained Pokémon and start again, see post #35 in this thread


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