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French expulsion of Roma to begin Thursday

  • 19-08-2010 12:47PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭


    http://euobserver.com/9/30637
    The deportation of Roma from France back to their countries of origin is to begin on Thursday the French government has announced.

    With 51 Roma camps across the country now broken up over the past month and a further almost 250 to meet the same fate by October, some 700 Roma will be put on planes by the end of August.

    The first of Roma will leave France on Thursday when 79 are to be returned. Immigration minister Eric Besson said that the Roma involved had agreed to return of their own will, reports Le Monde. Adults receive €300 in cash for returning while €100 is given for children.

    To prevent them coming back again and receiving return monies again, the French authorities are planning to take biometric data from those who are flown home.

    Under EU rules, Roma are free to travel to France but have to prove they can support themselves in order to be allowed to stay longer than three months. Some 15,000 such Roma coming from central and eastern Europe, but predominantly Romania, are thought to be in France.

    The destruction of camps is part of a wider security clampdown announced by French President Nicolas Sarkozy at the end of July. The move attracted immediate criticism from the left opposition but more recently also from politicians within the ranks of the president's centre-right UMP party.

    "We are not stigmatising a community, but making people respect the law," interior minister Brice Hortefeux said justifying the moves on Tuesday (17 August).

    The French authorities point out that last year some 10,000 Roma were deported from France to Bulgaria and Romania.

    Mr Besson, for his part, acknowledged that some deportees might return and are allowed to "as it is the law" but they "cannot settle illegally, let alone receive assisted voluntary return."

    He also hit back at criticism by a fellow UMP politician who likened the evacuation of the camps to World War II round-ups, saying he would rather such language is not used.

    "People are interviewed, their identity is verified and we offer them money to go back to their country of origin," he told radio station RTL on Tuesday. "I would like someone to explain the connection with the round-ups of World War II."

    Meanwhile Romania has expressed its concern about the potential problems arising from France's policy.

    "I am concerned about the risks of this sliding into populism and generating certain xenophobic reaction against the backdrop of the economic crisis," foreign minister Teodor Baconschi said in an interview with RFI Romania.

    "If we trade accusations or we collectively criminalise ethnic groups, we revive memories, among them less pleasant ones, and instead of finding solutions we will generate tensions," he added.

    Two Romanian secretaries of state are due to travel to France on 30 August to discuss the integration of Roma and "how to prevent crimes."

    What do people think?
    Should we follow suit, or is it a racist policy?
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Fukuyama


    Deporting criminals is not illegal. French authorities targeted Roma as they are known to have a high criminal rate... not racist. Makes sense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,650 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    The French are only doing what we're all thinking :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,755 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    Yes we should follow suit, deport them all to France :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Well, that's a stupid policy - who the hell is gonna wash people's windscreens at the traffic lights now?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Deporting illegal immigrants is not racist.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,758 ✭✭✭Stercus Accidit


    Who wants to take bets on when this thread gets godwinned, I'll go with 40'ish posts in.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    http://euobserver.com/9/30637


    What do people think?
    Should we follow suit, or is it a racist policy?

    They could earn a nice packet if every country in Europe did this. Plus there is feck all to stop them from re entering illegally.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    Dean0088 wrote: »
    Deporting criminals is not illegal. French authorities targeted Roma as they are known to have a high criminal rate... not racist. Makes sense.


    British authorities targetted Irish immigrants in the 70's because the Irish are known to have links with the IRA...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 954 ✭✭✭PaddyBomb


    Well, that's a stupid policy - who the hell is gonna wash people's windscreens at the traffic lights now?

    Now they're too lazy to even wash your windows. They just walk down the line of cars with a cup and ask you for money.

    Get rid of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭Royal Irish


    Dean0088 wrote: »
    Deporting criminals is not illegal. French authorities targeted Roma as they are known to have a high criminal rate... not racist. Makes sense.

    Just because there is a high crime rate in a ethnic minority doesnt mean they should all be deported.

    It seems to me its becoming fashionable to be racist in France.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    What do people think?
    Should we follow suit, or is it a racist policy?

    We should definitely follow suit.

    In fact we should be able to do things like this without waiting for other countries to tip their toes in the water first.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Are the French turfing any other illegals out?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    mike65 wrote: »
    Are the French turfing any other illegals out?

    When they are caught yes. The Roma situation is hugely different to most illegal immigrants in that they are very visible, and constructing illegal shanty towns etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭KindOfIrish


    Populist political theatre and huge waste of taxpayers money. All those Roma are EU nationals. They will be paid 300 euro each and free flight to home. 2-3 weeks relax in Romania and thay all be back to France by mid September for a new season :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,755 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    It seems to me its becoming fashionable to be racist in France.

    hasn't it always been?


  • Posts: 3,918 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I have only one thing to say about this..


    NA NA, NA NA NA NA, WAAAA-AAAAVEE GOOOODBYEEEE


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Fukuyama


    WindSock wrote: »
    British authorities targetted Irish immigrants in the 70's because the Irish are known to have links with the IRA...

    In fairness... they were at war with the IRA. Plus most emmigrants to the UK from the south would have been republican sympathisers. A few pints down the pub and we start talking bollocks... makes sense.

    Two scenarios are VERY different.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    I don't recall any stories of "ordinary" Irish in Britain being turfed out routinely, some people didn't get in of course as they had exclusion orders against them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭Renn


    Plus most emmigrants to the UK from the south would have been republican sympathisers.

    Really? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Dean0088 wrote: »
    In fairness... they were at war with the IRA. Plus most emmigrants to the UK from the south would have been republican sympathisers. A few pints down the pub and we start talking bollocks... makes sense.

    Two scenarios are VERY different.

    I think that's way way off the mark.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭longshanks


    so thet set up illegal campsites, are known thieves and criminals, have no respect for society at large and are generally considered a menace. fair play to france for addressing the problem.
    imagine if that kind of thing went on here...... oh wait, do these roma keep ponies?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,361 ✭✭✭✭Beruthiel


    mike65 wrote: »
    Are the French turfing any other illegals out?

    I have a friend who is a french cop and his job is accompanying illegals back to their country of origin. So yes, the French turf out illegals all the time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 557 ✭✭✭Waestrel


    Why does no one complain when people (often Irish) are deported from Australia?

    The ozzies have the right idea, if you want to stay there, you will do it legally.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    mike65 wrote: »
    I don't recall any stories of "ordinary" Irish in Britain being turfed out routinely, some people didn't get in of course as they had exclusion orders against them.


    No, they were just falsely accused of crimes they didn't commit and turfed into jail instead. Hey, they were Paddies, they must have been crims.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    WindSock wrote: »
    No, they were just falsely accused of crimes they didn't commit and turfed into jail instead. Hey, they were Paddies, they must have been crims.

    "Innocent until proven Irish"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 416 ✭✭Hamiltonion


    I dont see why they should be paid to go home, they should be given a week and after that forcefully removed


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    WindSock, are you stirring things? You make an accusation and then when challanged on it you change your mind and move the goalposts.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    mike65 wrote: »
    WindSock, are you stirring things? You make an accusation and then when challanged on it you change your mind and move the goalposts.

    No I am not stirring or moving goalposts. I was responding to this post initially;
    Dean0088 wrote: »
    Deporting criminals is not illegal. French authorities targeted Roma as they are known to have a high criminal rate... not racist. Makes sense.

    My point still stands, it is targetting an entire ethnic group because there are a few bad eggs and labelling them all as crims.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    WindSock wrote: »
    My point still stands, it is targetting an entire ethnic group because there are a few bad eggs and labelling them all as crims.

    If they are there illegally that is what they are. Face the music like everyone else.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    prinz wrote: »
    If they are there illegally that is what they are. Face the music like everyone else.

    There are probably heaps of other nationalities that are there illegally too. Are the Roma even there illegally? I thought they were from EU member states.


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