Pregnant widow flogged and shot dead by the Taleban

we'llallhavetea_old · 09-08-2010 11:22PM

i feel physically sick after reading the op.

how the fcuk can anyone do that to another human being? if you did less than that to a dog you'd be locked up.

Sea Sharp · 09-08-2010 11:23PM

Absolutely disgusting. Was there any mention of what happened to the daddy?

bronte · 09-08-2010 11:23PM

2010 people...how proud we should be . :mad:

Nodin · 09-08-2010 11:24PM

round tower huntsman wrote: »

the usa backed government still has the death penelty for women that commit adultry afaik. they not much better then the taliban when it come to human rights but at least they'll allow mcdonalds !oops i mean democracy

Well generally speaking, states don't give a rats ass about "human rights" in so much as starting a war over it. Its almost a given you can do much as you want within your own borders as long as you don't screw with anyone else. The exception to that is supposedly genocide, but even there you wouldn't want to hold your breath.

Getting down to womens rights, its as old as war to use the treatment of women as an example of the rightness of the cause and the low nature of the enemy. Unfortunately there seems to exist the notion that they're serious. What will make the various parties happy is a state that promises to stop its territory being used as a base or haven for elements that will attack their interests. If that state whips and shoots pregnant women, you'll find they'll live with it.

Fratton Fred · 09-08-2010 11:24PM

Sea Sharp wrote: »

Absolutely disgusting. Was there any mention of what happened to the daddy?

they gave him a slap on the back and took him down the pub to celebrate getting his leg over.

Giselle · 09-08-2010 11:24PM

we'llallhavetea wrote: »

how the fcuk can anyone do that to another human being? if you did less than that to a dog you'd be locked up.

Two human beings. There was a little baby killed too.:(

Ricardo G · 09-08-2010 11:25PM

Giselle wrote: »

They will tell you that the Qu'ran is the UNALTERABLE word of god, and in it god specifies the punishment for sex outside of marraige. So they are upholding gods will. Because god had guns.

Islam isn't used as a cover for sadism by these guys, its used as justification.

I'm sure God does'nt specify 200 lashes of a whip and a bullet in the Skull, and i would also be certain he would not condone the killing of an unborn child. If so he is sicker than the bastards that carried out this

K.Flyer · 09-08-2010 11:26PM

Ricardo G wrote: »

Horrible story but why the hell would you whip someone.......and then shoot them? strange

Afghanistan - Taliban - Islam - Sharia Law !!

And the followers of Islam living in Ireland / UK and other countries want to be allowed to impose Sharia Law as they see fit.

round tower huntsman · 09-08-2010 11:26PM

got away with a warning:eek: now thats just wrong,sexist. should've killed both of them equal rights etc...

Stinicker · 09-08-2010 11:26PM

Ush1 wrote: »

It's absolutely shocking and despicable but just something to think about. Are the US so much better as they still legally kill people with the death penalty? Obviously it's more humane the way they do it, but it's still the state killing someone.

Maybe I should start a thread on this seperately?

At least the US delivers justice for real crimes, what that woman did was not a crime and whatever happens between two consenting adults is nobodys business, especially not the state or any religious group. I would love to see those three "mullahs" getting executed for crimes against humanity, and would gladly be the executioner to pull the trigger and pop a bullet into each of their skulls.

we'llallhavetea_old · 09-08-2010 11:27PM

Giselle wrote: »

Two human beings. There was a little baby killed too.:(

Donkey Oaty · 09-08-2010 11:28PM

Ush1 wrote: »

It's absolutely shocking and despicable but just something to think about. Are the US so much better as they still legally kill people with the death penalty? Obviously it's more humane the way they do it, but it's still the state killing someone.

Maybe I should start a thread on this seperately?

Two things.

1) This story isn't about the state killing anyone. Afghanistan's government does not have the death penalty for adultery - it's 7-15 years in prison.

2) The US government does not execute adulterers either, and the people they do kill have a trial by jury.

The Taliban are bad guys.

Ush1 · 09-08-2010 11:29PM

Stinicker wrote: »

At least the US delivers justice for real crimes, what that woman did was not a crime and whatever happens between two consenting adults is nobodys business, especially not the state or any religious group. I would love to see those three "mullahs" getting executed for crimes against humanity, and would gladly be the executioner to pull the trigger and pop a bullet into each of their skulls.

Define the US delivering justice though? Killing someone?

Kasabian · 09-08-2010 11:30PM

round tower huntsman wrote: »

got away with a warning:eek: now thats just wrong,sexist. should've killed both of them equal rights etc...

Or maybe killed none of them :eek:

Biggins · 09-08-2010 11:30PM

Ush1 wrote: »

It's absolutely shocking and despicable but just something to think about. Are the US so much better as they still legally kill people with the death penalty? Obviously it's more humane the way they do it, but it's still the state killing someone.

Maybe I should start a thread on this separately?

Yes, I'd appreciate it.
This is about yet another sad un-necessary death. Be it caused by one side or another.
These things should be exposed so that others can say "Not in our name please!"
Thats all, no hidden agenda.

09-08-2010 11:30PM

i dont think your can say all muslims would react in this way these men represent the most hardcore element of Islam .The Catholic bible has some sadistic passages of retribution , as far as i know they are not carried out . That being said this is barbarism against woman shouldnt be ignored or tolerated .

I hope her child and herself are in a better place:(

Ush1 · 09-08-2010 11:31PM

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Two things.

1) This story isn't about the state killing anyone. Afghanistan's government does not have the death penalty for adultery - it's 7-15 years in prison.

2) The US government does not execute adulterers either, and the people they do kill have a trial by jury.

The Taliban are bad guys.

So the US are the good guys then, despite them killing people for certain things?

round tower huntsman · 09-08-2010 11:31PM

actually the usa illeagaly kill people as well- iraq illeal war.

Giselle · 09-08-2010 11:32PM

Ricardo G wrote: »

I'm sure God does'nt specify 200 lashes of a whip and a bullet in the Skull, and i would also be certain he would not condone the killing of an unborn child. If so he is sicker than the bastards that carried out this

I think you may have missed the irony.

The Qu'ran is the only education a lot of these guys have. The only book they ever read, the only law they ever know. They have/choose to use an interpretation of that book that suits their purpose. To control and rule the population. The Qu'ran is particularly harsh on women.

She may have been raped, but in the absence of reliable, multiple, male witnesses, its assumed she was a very bad girl. She may have flashed her hair, or a wrist and driven some vulnerable man into a fit of lust. Or begged for it, and knowingly taken a man from the path of righteousness. Maybe she failed to prevent someone from looking in her window and he saw her face.

Hard to know who the victim is in those circumstances.:rolleyes:

Andy-Pandy · 09-08-2010 11:32PM

I blame men with full beards. The Taliban, Santa and ZZ Top, all the same to me.

Kasabian · 09-08-2010 11:33PM

Biggins wrote: »

Yes, I'd appreciate it.
This is about yet another sad un-necessary death. Be it caused by one side or another.
These things should be exposed so that others can say "Not in our name please!"
Thats all, no hidden agenda.

I fear your thread is heading towards an anti US rant

Donkey Oaty · 09-08-2010 11:33PM

Ush1 wrote: »

So the US are the good guys then, despite them killing people for certain things?

You asked if they were so much better, given that they have the death penalty.

In this case, yes. Undoubtedly.

round tower huntsman · 09-08-2010 11:34PM

Andy-Pandy wrote: »

I blame men with full beards. The Taliban, Santa and ZZ Top, all the same to me.

never trust a man that cultivates on his face what grows freely on his arse:D

Biggins · 09-08-2010 11:34PM

Kasabian wrote: »

I fear your thread is heading towards an anti US rant

Yes, I fear it too and that is NOT what I want or desire.

Kasabian · 09-08-2010 11:35PM

Biggins wrote: »

Yes, I fear it too and that is NOT what I want or desire.

I know, but it will be hi-jacked . AH is gone to sh1t

It should be named Off Topic

Donkey Oaty · 09-08-2010 11:36PM

Giselle wrote: »

She may have been raped:rolleyes:

Oddly, this distinction is often not made by the Afghan (i.e. non-Taliban) judiciary and the penalty for rape/adultery is the same.

Mind you, an Afghan rapist can sometimes pay "blood money" and avoid prison.

round tower huntsman · 09-08-2010 11:37PM

Kasabian wrote: »

I fear your thread is heading towards an anti US rant

not anti usa just anti hypocrisy.
the usa back a government in the same country that also allows death penalty for women for sexual crimes such as being raped without 4 male witnesses to verify she was actually raped and not screwing around

Donkey Oaty · 09-08-2010 11:38PM

round tower huntsman wrote: »

not anti usa just anti hypocrisy.
the usa back a government in the same country that also allows death penalty for women for sexual crimes such as being raped without 4 male witnesses to verify she was actually raped and not screwing around

Have you a source for that, huntsman? I'd appreciate it.

Kasabian · 09-08-2010 11:39PM

round tower huntsman wrote: »

not anti usa just anti hypocrisy.
the usa back a government in the same country that also allows death penalty for women for sexual crimes such as being raped without 4 male witnesses to verify she was actually raped and not screwing around

I think you'll find that the Afghan Government are also at war with the Taliban

Mrmoe · 09-08-2010 11:40PM

Giselle wrote: »

They will tell you that the Qu'ran is the UNALTERABLE word of god, and in it god specifies the punishment for sex outside of marraige. So they are upholding gods will. Because god had guns.

Islam isn't used as a cover for sadism by these guys, its used as justification.

Most of the aspects that require interpretation though are not in the Qu'ran. I am quoting this from wikipedia so take it as it is:

However, stoning as punishment for sexual sin is not prescribed in the Qur'an, but is prescribed in the hadith—oral traditions relating to the words and deeds of the Islamic prophet Muhammad.

It is the way they interpret it that is the cause of so much violence and suffering. There are many islamic that do not carry out such atrocities. I know many muslims who abhor such violence and cruelty. What I would like them to do is explain why their view is right and the view of the vast majority of the muslim world is wrong.

I do not think society can ever eradicate such behaviour by violence alone. We need to understand why they do these things and reason with them showing them the error of their way. However, this doesn't mean that a militaristic approach should be abandoned but you can see currently that bombing the Taliban into submission does not work.

Pregnant widow flogged and shot dead by the Taleban

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