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More Catholic Church Self-Sabotage

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  • #32
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    For those that watch the second part, watch the ending.
    Even the bishop and the rest, at the end claps Stephens words.
    I guess either he was just being polite or surprise, surprise (to himself), he noted too that Stephen actually made some very good points!


  • #33
    eightyfish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,100 ✭✭✭eightyfish


    WebGeek wrote: »
    As it was, the result was shooting fish in a barrel, rather impossible for the fish to defend themselves and not terribly exciting for the shooters or the spectators.

    But when the fish dress themselves up in grand robes of God-given authority, and trounce around saying that you should behave in a certain way, they make themselves very easy to shoot.


  • #34
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Biggins wrote: »
    * I'm saddened however because a lot, lot of folk have put their trust, love and heart-filled faith into those they once looked up to. Now they with every cock-up emerging from Rome, are being let down consistently and inevitability loss of faith and distance occurs to genuine decent people.
    Good.
    * I'm worried for some of those that are more of a spiritual nature, who are looking for their own inner and outer answers, will seek solace sometimes perhaps in other organisations that will even more badly let them down. The ones that also say/claim they have all the answers too (Scientologists, Moonies, etc).
    Stupid people in possibly being stupid shocker!


    There's no argument, anyone still in the Catholic Church is an idiot. People who say "Oh well I don't believe this or that" get on my ****ing wick. Either you do subscribe to the scummy, child-raping corporation you're giving your money and time to or you don't.


  • #35
    yutta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 429 ✭✭yutta


    Latchy wrote: »
    The Catholic church has long lost any credibility it had with the most dedicated members of it's church , the ordinary men and women who for decades ( if not centurys ) toed the line without any question . All that has changed forever .

    You may not be a fan of his but Stephen Fry sums it up all very well on You tube in the first of several videos on the Catholic Church

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEhtOhwL8xk

    Anti-Catholicism. The last acceptable prejudice.

    The Church doesn't approve of his unsanitary behaviour and it upsets him. Deeply.

    Of course Jews and Catholics have a rather bumpy relationship. Populist internet ramblings built on popular misconceptions, rants full of emotive language, do nobody any good and undermine the sterling work that has been done in the area of inter-faith dialogue in the late 20th century. Work that is being continued under Benedict XVI. If rabble-rousing and opening half-healed wounds is his thing, I wish he'd crawl back under his rock.


  • #36
    furiousox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,336 ✭✭✭furiousox


    WebGeek wrote: »
    Again, the easy target of a devout people to it's beliefs unravel the true and nasty nature of the 'new dogma' that is now sweeping, overbearing, intolerable of those who differ from their artiest point of view.

    The church has made itself an easy target by abusing the power it held over this and other countries for far too long.
    People are waking up, shaking off the shackles and realising we've been lied to misled and abused..taken for fools for years.
    The church is losing power and control of the people it once dominated and it does not like it.

    You are a khaki coloured bombardier, it's Hiroshima that you're nearing.



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  • #37
    Biggins
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    WebGeek wrote: »
    After seeing this video, I am surprised at the motion put and the unusual viciousness of Frys monologue.
    Why?

    There was a motion put forward - to which he answered.

    * He answered it with historic data and explanation of background.
    * He answered it with evidence such a a letter from the "office of the faith" and the present pope.
    * He answered the motion speaking with personal experience of dealing with African countries leaders and actually meeting AIDS victims.

    If viciousness = truths been spoken ...well they do say "truth hurts!"
    Then by god, those truths should be heard a lot more often for progressive change to happen!

    ...The decenters to that train of thought can continue to keep their heads stuck in the sand and living in the past!
    If they die off because of that outdated position, no loss.


  • #38
    Pittens
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭Pittens


    OutlawPete wrote: »
    1) What makes you think that he does not understand the what 'transubstantiation' is? Seems to me he knows exactly what it is, or to be more accurate, exactly what the Catholic Church pertain it to be.

    2) The vast majority of protestant churches reject 'transubstantiation', only believing that Christ's presence is evoked and that Christ's words at The Last Supper were to be taken metaphorically, so what other churches are you referring to above exactly?

    Luthern's dont reject it. The idea is not that the "molecules" are changed is rubbish - how would anybody know about molecules in the middle ages?

    The idea of transubstantiation in based on substance, which is non-material. Substance is a greek philosophical idea. The substance of something can change without the material changing. You can argue with the greeks, but nobody thinks that molecules are changing.

    The whole thing - including the idea that the Catholic causes Aids in British Africa is a strongly nationalistic British minority bullying.


  • #39
    bytey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 266 ✭✭bytey


    Ahhhhh, the RC Church,

    Hatin Women
    and raping children
    at an old building near you , for two thousand years

    They should really buy up the Stella Lager company and re package it .


  • #40
    Pittens
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭Pittens


    Biggins wrote: »
    Why?

    There was a motion put - to which he answered.
    he answered it with historic data and explaination of background. He answerred it with evidence such a a letter from the "office of the faith" and the present pope.
    He answered the motion speaking with personal experience of dealing with African countries leaders and actually meeting AIDS victims.

    If viciousness = truths been spoken ...well they do say truths hurts!
    Then by god, those truths should be heard a lot more often for progressive change to happen!

    ...The decenters to that train of thought can continue to keep their heads stuick in the sand and living in the past!

    The Catholic Church has done an amazing job of causing Aids in the (largely protestant part of the) old British Empire

    British nationalism is extreme. Invade a continent, and blame a long despised minority religion in your country for the mess you make.

    Aids in Africa seen here, runs at 20-25% in the Southern Tip. That is clearly where the British Empire was concentrated ( but also on the beleagured Eastern Rim).

    As seen from the list of Catholic majority countries, it is the Catholic countries surrounding the British Imperial parts of Africa ( compare with the Aids chart) where Aids fall from about 25% to 1-5%. A clearly significant drop. A modicum of historical knowledege and a knowlegde of where in Africa Aids was concentrated would have helped here.

    England's smartest man wasnt up to that task.


  • #41
    Pittens
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭Pittens


    Anti-Catholicism. The last acceptable prejudice.

    Acceptable by nationalist biogts in a country which banned Catholicism for centuries.


    Notice the way that Paisley Fry sneered the word Pole.


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  • #42
    yutta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 429 ✭✭yutta


    Pittens wrote: »
    Acceptable by nationalist biogts in a country which banned Catholicism for centuries.

    Take the NI rant elsewhere please.


  • #43
    IvySlayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,194 ✭✭✭✭IvySlayer


    Pittens wrote: »
    The Catholic Church has done an amazing job of casusing Aids in the old British Empire largely protestant.

    British nationalism is extreme. Invade a continent, and blame a long despised minority religion in your country for the mess you make.

    Brits invaded, but at least they were honest about it.

    The Church take the sick and needy and start spouting their venom. They start changing society for its own greedy needs. They start dictating what people can and cannot do, they turn sex into a dirty sin, they tell you condoms are evil. I could list a million more things. Anyone who disagrees with them is then ridiculed/burned at the stake.

    And they do it in the name of 'faith'


  • #44
    storm2811
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    Oh ffs,ANOTHER religion thread,although it's just more religion bashing than actual discussion of the subject.

    :(


  • #45
    yutta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 429 ✭✭yutta


    storm2811 wrote: »
    Oh ffs,ANOTHER religion thread,although it's just more religion bashing than actual discussion of the subject.

    :(

    Agreed.

    I think AH perusers should really examine the many popular misconceptions being bandied about and look at news snippets they pick in the popular press with a more critical eye.


  • #46
    IvySlayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,194 ✭✭✭✭IvySlayer


    storm2811 wrote: »
    Oh ffs,ANOTHER religion thread,although it's just more religion bashing than actual discussion of the subject.

    :(

    Yup!

    It's not like religion is everywhere, spouting their ****e.


  • #47
    Biggins
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    yutta wrote: »
    Take the NI rant elsewhere please.
    I have to agree. Thats a whole big issue itself - deserving of another thread so sidetracking won't happen?


  • #48
    WebGeek
    Closed Accounts Posts: 145 ✭✭WebGeek


    amacachi wrote: »
    Either you do subscribe to the scummy, child-raping corporation you're giving your money and time to or you don't.

    Typical response to this kind of debate- you defecate on your own argument.


  • #49
    furiousox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,336 ✭✭✭furiousox


    yutta wrote: »
    Anti-Catholicism. The last acceptable prejudice...

    What's your issue, prejudice?
    The RC church has plenty of that.

    You are a khaki coloured bombardier, it's Hiroshima that you're nearing.



  • #50
    storm2811
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭storm2811


    IvySlayer wrote: »
    Yup!

    It's not like religion is everywhere, spouting their ****e.

    That's a nice open minded comment.


  • #51
    bertie4evr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 871 ✭✭✭bertie4evr


    yutta wrote: »
    Anti-Catholicism. The last acceptable prejudice.

    What about prejudice against homosexuals, women and people of different beliefs?


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  • #52
    Pittens
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭Pittens


    By the way, I am not a believer. When England's foremost "intellectual" - a man who knows less about history than I did when I was 12, and cant read a map - attacks a long despised minority religion I think we should all take note.

    Its all long standing English prejudice anyway. The canard about the enlightenment being held back by the Catholics is English ( or Anglo spheric ) nationalism and pseudo-history at best. The religious age did not end with the Englightenment ( it accelerated in parts) - and there were plenty of scientific ideas throughout the middle ages most of them formed within the Catholic Church. And Catholic countries contributed to the Englightenment.


  • #53
    furiousox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,336 ✭✭✭furiousox


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by amacachi viewpost.gif
    Either you do subscribe to the scummy, child-raping corporation you're giving your money and time to or you don't?
    WebGeek wrote: »
    Typical response to this kind of debate- you defecate on your own argument.

    Well, apart from using the word 'scummy' it's a fair question...

    You are a khaki coloured bombardier, it's Hiroshima that you're nearing.



  • #54
    Pittens
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭Pittens


    IvySlayer wrote: »
    Brits invaded, but at least they were honest about it.

    The Nazi's were honest. Being nasty and honest still leaves you nasty. In any case I am not talking about the RC's honeety. I am asking why an Englishman is blaming a minority religion in the UK for AIds which is pre-dominent in once British controlled Africa?


  • #55
    Mrmoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭Mrmoe


    I would say that there are many good people in the catholic church who feel shamed that people like this bishop have a voice in their church. It seems the higher up in rank in the church you go the further from reality you become. You will not see a change in the catholic church for probably 2 to 3 decades until the current crop who have power and control die off.


  • #56
    Pittens
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭Pittens


    bertie4evr wrote: »
    What about prejudice against homosexuals, women and people of different beliefs?

    They are clearly not acceptable.

    Other historical fact for people who seemingly believe most points of anti-Catholic prejudice from British nationalists- Catholicism didnt ban homosexuality. Protestantism did.


  • #57
    GLaDOS
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    Pittens wrote: »
    attacks a long despised minority religion I think we should all take note.
    Catholicism is the worlds largest branch of Christianity...

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • #58
    yutta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 429 ✭✭yutta


    bertie4evr wrote: »
    What about prejudice ... people of different beliefs?

    I'll pick you up on this. You do know what moral relativism is, don't you?

    Also, people of different beliefs (as well as people with homosexual inclination) are human persons. Catholicism teaches that these people should be treated with dignity and respect. It is the Church's duty to point out evil and wickedness, warn people of its cancerous effect, and prevent souls from being deceived. This is done, in the main, through gentle persuasion and diplomacy. Sometimes stronger language is required. Sometimes just wars are necessary to protect the faith.


  • #59
    Pittens
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭Pittens


    yutta wrote: »
    Take the NI rant elsewhere please.

    Where did I mention NI?

    Cahtolicism is a minority religion in the UK.

    Someone posted an Englishman attacking that minority religion, based on a series of historical lies.

    That post was thanked by people with little or no historical knowledge.

    I am attacking Fry's speech in this thread. There will be no reference to Northern Ireland. Most of Ireland's new atheist anti-Catholicism is based on English style bigotry, so this is relevent to this thread.

    Otherwise we can fawn over Fry;s bigotry as if it were true, it aint.


  • #60
    storm2811
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭storm2811


    ScienceNerd wrote: »
    Catholicism is the worlds largest branch of Christianity...

    It would be the smaller religion in the U.K.

    Edit: See above post!:P


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  • #61
    Pittens
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭Pittens


    ScienceNerd wrote: »
    Catholicism is the worlds largest branch of Christianity...


    It is a minority religion where Fry is talking, and amongst the people Fry is talking to.


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