More Catholic Church Self-Sabotage

Sykk · 07-08-2010 11:34PM #1

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An Austrian bishop has described a German music festival stampede where 21 people died as a sinful event and suggested the deaths may have been God's punishment for losing faith.

Bishop Andreas Laun indirectly linked 21 Love Parade deaths to God's punishment

Salzburg's Roman Catholic bishop, Andreas Laun, described the Love Parade and participation in it as "a rebellion against creation and against God's order, (which) are sins and an invitation to sin".
As well as the deaths, more than 500 people were injured when a lethal bottleneck formed as revellers tried to get in to the festival in the German city of Duisburg on July 24.
Writing on the German-language website Kath.net, Mr Laun warned against judging the dead.
At the same time, he indirectly linked the deaths to God's right to punish apostates - those who turn their back on the true faith.
The provocative comments are expected to draw outrage from victims' families and survivors.

Crime scene investigators traced outlines of where the 21 people died

The remarks from such a senior member of the clergy are also feared to draw the embattled church hierarchy into further criticism of its rigid attitude to modern society.
In recent months the church has tried to weather storms over successive child abuse claims, a lack of sympathy to predator priests' victims and a crisis of legitimacy.
A memorial service was attended by the German Chancellor, Angela Merkel, amid assertions that the parade would never be held again.

What a disgrace.. Do you not think they'd try stay out of the headlines for a while, amid all the other stupid things they've done?

OutlawPete · 07-08-2010 11:35PM

Nobody really cares what the catholic church think anymore.

Not anyone that matters in the great big scheme of things at least.

Fuck them at this stage.

galwayrush · 07-08-2010 11:37PM

I imagine the Imams of the world would have much the same opinion.:rolleyes:

Latchy · 07-08-2010 11:57PM

The Catholic church has long lost any credibility it had with the most dedicated members of it's church , the ordinary men and women who for decades ( if not centurys ) toed the line without any question . All that has changed forever .

You may not be a fan of his but Stephen Fry sums it up all very well on You tube in the first of several videos on the Catholic Church

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEhtOhwL8xk

08-08-2010 12:03AM

Sykk wrote: »

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What a disgrace.. Do you not think they'd try stay out of the headlines for a while, amid all the other stupid things they've done?

They?

I doubt this fool speaks for the whole church.

Sykk · 08-08-2010 12:10AM

rarnes1 wrote: »

They?

I doubt this fool speaks for the whole church.

Actually, he's a bishop, so he's speaking on behalf of the church...

ElaElaElano · 08-08-2010 12:15AM

What an incredibly thick man. Honestly, you'd think the church would be doing everything they possibly could to win people back, groveling, pleading, begging. Appointing certain people with great PR skills to do the talking. Instead they keep digging themselves a hole so big they'll never fúcking get out of it.

It's almost like a sitcom at this stage, such is the sheer stupidity of these figureheads.

08-08-2010 12:16AM

Sykk wrote: »

Actually, he's a bishop, so he's speaking on behalf of the church...

Let's bash the bishop then.

Killer Pigeon · 08-08-2010 12:18AM

"It's all God this and God that. You seem to have more time for that God than you do for me, you bástard."

IvySlayer · 08-08-2010 12:19AM

Stephen Fry for Taoiseach!

starbelgrade · 08-08-2010 12:32AM

Priest: “How come I never see you in church anymore, Paddy?”

Paddy: “There are too many hypocrites at Mass these days, Father.”

Priest: “Don't worry, Paddy; there's always room for one more.”

Biggins · 08-08-2010 12:40AM

The gulf between them and the public is ever growing wider so when they come along and make these, once again out of touch, out of date, living in the past comments, part of me is glad but also worried and saddened.

* I'm glad because I realise they are further advancing their own demise as a now inept organisation.
* I'm saddened however because a lot, lot of folk have put their trust, love and heart-filled faith into those they once looked up to. Now they with every cock-up emerging from Rome, are being let down consistently and inevitability loss of faith and distance occurs to genuine decent people.
* I'm worried for some of those that are more of a spiritual nature, who are looking for their own inner and outer answers, will seek solace sometimes perhaps in other organisations that will even more badly let them down. The ones that also say/claim they have all the answers too (Scientologists, Moonies, etc).

Killer Pigeon · 08-08-2010 12:47AM

Latchy wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEhtOhwL8xk

Wow, he's extraordinary well spoken, wish I had that skill.

ballsymchugh · 08-08-2010 12:53AM

Sykk wrote: »

Actually, he's a bishop, so he's speaking on behalf of the church...

he's speaking on behalf of himself really. he may think it's an educated opinion but that's what it is. the church is defined by all it's members.

Manach · 08-08-2010 12:58AM

So athesits get a free ride when they hold up examples such as the Tsuamai as proof of God's non-existance, then this is an acceptable use of a tragedy to make a point?

Sykk · 08-08-2010 01:01AM

Manach wrote: »

So athesits get a free ride when they hold up examples such as the Tsuamai as proof of God's non-existance, then this is an acceptable use of a tragedy to make a point?

How's this relevant? Also, how does this prove anything?

Riddle101 · 08-08-2010 01:02AM

Latchy wrote: »

The Catholic church has long lost any credibility it had with the most dedicated members of it's church , the ordinary men and women who for decades ( if not centurys ) toed the line without any question . All that has changed forever .

You may not be a fan of his but Stephen Fry sums it up all very well on You tube in the first of several videos on the Catholic Church

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEhtOhwL8xk

I love Stephen Fry even more for this. he's right as well.

Biggins · 08-08-2010 01:04AM

Latchy wrote: »

...You may not be a fan of his but Stephen Fry sums it up all very well on You tube in the first of several videos on the Catholic Church

Stephen Fry Video...

Brilliant speaker, clearly he knows his stuff, historical backgrounds and can lay this thoughts out clear like on a path that we can follow and understand.

I might/might not agree with him (I do for the record) but by heavens or earth, one cannot fail to see that the man is not one to be easily brushed aside as to the relevance of his words.

Fair play to him. Would have loved to hear the rest of his speech. Will go look up the other parts.

(Big thanks Lachy)

longshanks · 08-08-2010 01:07AM

Latchy wrote: »

The Catholic church has long lost any credibility it had with the most dedicated members of it's church , the ordinary men and women who for decades ( if not centurys ) toed the line without any question . All that has changed forever .

You may not be a fan of his but Stephen Fry sums it up all very well on You tube in the first of several videos on the Catholic Church
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this is brilliant. stephen fry should be a lesson in school.

furiousox · 08-08-2010 01:07AM

If you no longer want to be a member of this vile organisation go here...

www.countmeout.ie

Pittens · 08-08-2010 01:11AM

Latchy wrote: »

The Catholic church has long lost any credibility it had with the most dedicated members of it's church , the ordinary men and women who for decades ( if not centurys ) toed the line without any question . All that has changed forever .

You may not be a fan of his but Stephen Fry sums it up all very well on You tube in the first of several videos on the Catholic Church

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEhtOhwL8xk

Lol at Britain's smartest man not knowing a) what transubstantiation is and b) that far more than the Catholic Church is hardly the only church which believes in it. Most mainline protestant churches believe in it.

Pittens · 08-08-2010 01:12AM

The whole thing is a paiselyite lite wankfest.

eightyfish · 08-08-2010 01:17AM

6 Stephen Frys on the screen. As much as I like the guy, please stop re-posting the vid.

Pittens · 08-08-2010 01:19AM

eightyfish wrote: »

6 Stephen Frys on the screen. As much as I like the guy, please stop re-posting the vid.

The quote system does that automatically. So ask the admins to parse out youtube tabs in quotes.

Biggins · 08-08-2010 01:19AM

eightyfish wrote: »

6 Stephen Frys on the screen. As much as I like the guy, please stop re-posting the vid.

LOL Will take mine out.

eightyfish · 08-08-2010 01:20AM

Manach wrote: »

So athesits get a free ride when they hold up examples such as the Tsuamai as proof of God's non-existance, then this is an acceptable use of a tragedy to make a point?

No they don't, they only use that as an argument against a benevolent god, not a god in itself. Google David Attenborough's take on the matter.

eightyfish · 08-08-2010 01:22AM

Pittens wrote: »

The quote system does that automatically. So ask the admins to parse out youtube tabs in quotes.

Aye, but you can edit it out.

Biggins · 08-08-2010 01:25AM

The second part is even more truthful, shocking and accurate - part two below:

See 5.30 part about aids!!! Terrible ...as well as the secrecy Ratz' demanded in a letter mentioned in the first minute!

OutlawPete · 08-08-2010 01:30AM

Pittens wrote: »

Lol at Britain's smartest man not knowing a) what transubstantiation is and b) that far more than the Catholic Church is hardly the only church which believes in it. Most mainline protestant churches believe in it.

1) What makes you think that he does not understand the what 'transubstantiation' is? Seems to me he knows exactly what it is, or to be more accurate, exactly what the Catholic Church pertain it to be.

2) The vast majority of protestant churches reject 'transubstantiation', only believing that Christ's presence is evoked and that Christ's words at The Last Supper were to be taken metaphorically, so what other churches are you referring to above exactly?

bertie4evr · 08-08-2010 01:30AM

Pittens wrote: »

Lol at Britain's smartest man not knowing a) what transubstantiation is and b) that far more than the Catholic Church is hardly the only church which believes in it. Most mainline protestant churches believe in it.

A)The Catholic Church teaches that once an ordained priest blesses the bread , it is transformed into the actual flesh of Christ (but it retains appearance, odor, and taste of bread); and when he blesses the wine, it is transformed into the actual blood of Christ (though it retains the appearance, odor, and taste of wine).

B)The topic was whether the "Catholic Church could be a driving force for good in the World".

WebGeek · 08-08-2010 01:32AM

Latchy wrote: »

The Catholic church has long lost any credibility it had with the most dedicated members of it's church , the ordinary men and women who for decades ( if not centurys ) toed the line without any question . All that has changed forever .

You may not be a fan of his but Stephen Fry sums it up all very well on You tube in the first of several videos on the Catholic Church

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEhtOhwL8xk

After seeing this video, I am surprised at the motion put and the unusual viciousness of Frys monologue. I really seen him in a totally different light which is a shame I hate to lose a (supposed) friend.

The debate might have well have asked, ‘Is humanity a force for good, or Russia, or the US, perhaps any amount of state lotteries.’ It would be absolutely impossible for anyone on the affirmative side of the debate to achieve a convincing win; even if Churchill and Oscar Wilde were elevated from the grave to support the motion the result would be the same.

Had the debate be on a specific aspect of Catholic Doctrine, the churches attitude toward reproduction, STDs, women priests and bishops or some such other relevant aspect of Catholic policy, then the formidable Mr. Fry might well have been appropriately employed to debate a topic of merit where the opposition would not have to defend the entire two thousand year history of the Church since Saul of Tarsus, but a real, tangible aspect of church behaviour and policy. As it was, the result was shooting fish in a barrel, rather impossible for the fish to defend themselves and not terribly exciting for the shooters or the spectators.

Again, the easy target of a devout people to it's beliefs unravel the true and nasty nature of the 'new dogma' that is now sweeping, overbearing, intolerable of those who differ from their artiest point of view.

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