The "Torturer Of Tehran" Now Has The Woman Who Is To Be Stoned!

Biggins · 05-08-2010 01:37AM #1

The "Torturer Of Tehran" Now Has The Woman Who Is To Be Stoned!

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Her lawyer who escaped Iran, is now under arrest in Turkey.

The Iranian lawyer defending a woman sentenced to death by stoning for alleged adultery has fled to Turkey, where he has been arrested and applied for asylum.
In Tehran, Mohammed Mostafaei’s wife is now being held in solitary confinement in the infamous Evin prison, The Times has learnt. Her brother and father were released earlier this week.

In another ominous development, the fate of Mr Mostafaei’s client, Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, was consigned yesterday to Saeed Mortazavi, Iran’s deputy prosecutor general, who is notorious for his brutality.

Ms Ashtiani’s supporters in the West said that it was a sign that the regime was preparing to face down international outrage and execute her by hanging, if not by stoning.

The FULL Times Article: http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/83/wwwthetimescoukttonewsw.jpg

Its not looking good for the woman.

scientific1982 · 05-08-2010 02:12AM

Poor woman. Thats religion for ya.

Biggins · 05-08-2010 02:18AM

Don't forget about the now 18 year old that is to be executed soon for supposed similar "crime" done where she was 14!!!
(They waited for 4 years (after lashing her) till she was 18, so that they could then execute her because she wasn't an adult yet!)

The country is pure barbaric and a world disgrace as regards female justice and human rights.

Killer Pigeon · 05-08-2010 02:18AM

Again, more proof on why a secular society is a better society.

Mrmoe · 05-08-2010 02:22AM

That is nuts, I hope she can some how escape execution.

TPD · 05-08-2010 02:24AM

Why do you link to a large image file rather than the article's page? Noticed on abother thread of yours too. Curious.

Biggins · 05-08-2010 02:27AM

TPD wrote: »

Why do you link to a large image file rather than the article's page? Noticed on abother thread of yours too. Curious.

The Times is a pay per view site.
If you have an account with them you can view the page, if not, your blocked out.
I have an account with The Times. I pay, you view via screen grab.

Dudess · 05-08-2010 02:36AM

If someone defends this with "Stop forcing western values on them" type tripe, or if someone uses it to condemn all muslims, I'll cry...

/gets Kleenex

PKen · 05-08-2010 02:38AM

Contact Amnesty International. They may have an online petition (or similar) to sign. A load of signitures might help save the woman's life. Let's face it, if we can write posts on this thread, we can surely take time out to sign a petition or a write a letter. AI have a proven track record of helping people this way.

Mike 1972 · 05-08-2010 02:43AM

Dudess wrote: »

If someone defends this with "Stop forcing western values on them" type tripe, or if someone uses it to condemn all muslims, I'll cry...

How are you with Nuke em -its for their own good........?

Dudess · 05-08-2010 02:44AM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

How are you with Nuke em -its for their own good........?

Kinda combines the two...

Dave147 · 05-08-2010 02:50AM

My uncle is Iranian and he travelled home recently just for a trip. He's been living in Ireland since he was 16 and most of his family live in Holland.

He told me that the government want to see misery out there, if you look well-to-do or happy you are fined. If you are clean shaven you are fined, if you are wearing short-sleeves you are fined, if your woman isn't dressed appropriately you are fined.

If you cannot pay the fine there and then you are taken away and may not be seen or heard from for about 3 days.

I think my aunt has been there once with him, but it's a dangerous, horrible society and I'm glad my uncle is back here. We don't know how good we have it, recession or no recession.

CliffHuxtabel · 05-08-2010 02:51AM

I wonder what type of narcotics the executioner will decide to use

Biggins · 06-08-2010 08:56PM

Some breaking news update:

The prominent Iranian lawyer forced to flee his country for defending a woman sentenced to death by stoning was released from detention in Turkey yesterday, and will fly into exile in Norway tomorrow.

But before he leaves, Mohammed Mostafaei said he was consumed with worry about his wife who has now been held in solitary confinement in Tehran’s infamous Evin prison for two weeks.

The below article includes a picture of them - including his young daughter whom I believe they put in prison also at one stage to get him to give himself up!
Madness!

The article is in jpeg format due to The Times site being pay per view and ye wouldn't be able to see/read it otherwise:

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/83/wwwthetimescoukttonewsw.jpg

Noreen1 · 06-08-2010 09:43PM

I've just checked the Amnesty International website for a petition, but I can't find one....

Cases like this make my blood boil.:mad: I'm actually seriously considering joining Amnesty International, at this stage!
Thanks for the links, Biggins

Noreen

pirelli · 06-08-2010 10:21PM

Dave147 wrote: »

My uncle is Iranian and he travelled home recently just for a trip. He's been living in Ireland since he was 16 and most of his family live in Holland.

He told me that the government want to see misery out there, if you look well-to-do or happy you are fined. If you are clean shaven you are fined, if you are wearing short-sleeves you are fined, if your woman isn't dressed appropriately you are fined.

If you cannot pay the fine there and then you are taken away and may not be seen or heard from for about 3 days.

I think my aunt has been there once with him, but it's a dangerous, horrible society and I'm glad my uncle is back here. We don't know how good we have it, recession or no recession.

Yes! We do have it good here. Shame about the Iranians.

Dave147 · 07-08-2010 10:23PM

pirelli wrote: »

Yes! We do have it good here. Shame about the Iranians.

Yeah, they have it rough. Although my choice of words wasn't the best, I probably should have said "Less bad" instead of good!

Dudess · 07-08-2010 11:16PM

Comparatively speaking, it's definitely "good".

MrDarcy · 07-08-2010 11:41PM

I wonder how quick the people here condemning the imminent treatment/execution of this poor woman, will turn on the US when they eventually decide to go in there and sort out the governance of Iran, which I hope they do before this year is out. The same nutcases that are running Iran and giving us this story to talk about, also want to hold a nuclear weapon.

Morale of the story: ECONOMIC SANCTIONS DON'T HAVE ANY EFFECT ON NUTCASE GOVERNMENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

starbelgrade · 08-08-2010 12:25AM

Biggins wrote: »

The Times is a pay per view site.
If you have an account with them you can view the page, if not, your blocked out.
I have an account with The Times. I pay, you view via screen grab.

Posting copyrighted material on a public forum. In some countries they'd stone you for that, Biggins.

Biggins · 08-08-2010 12:27AM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Posting copyrighted material on a public forum. In some countries they'd stone you for that, Biggins.

The wife has said I've had rocks on/in the head for years so I'd be immune by this stage I guess.

starbelgrade · 08-08-2010 01:05AM

Biggins wrote: »

The wife has said I've had rocks on/in the head for years so I'd be immune by this stage I guess.

There's a difference though, between teabagging & having actual rocks thrown at you.

Biggins · 08-08-2010 01:06AM

starbelgrade wrote: »

There's a difference though, between teabagging & having actual rocks thrown at you.

It mightn't have been rocks (except for once or twice) but in my time, I've had worse thrown at me. :pac:

SuperInfinity · 08-08-2010 03:41AM

I'm not defending this, but the reason she received the preliminary stoning sentence is for taking part in murder, not just because of adultery. Her adultery only got her lashes, it was the new evidence that came to light that showed she had a part in murder that she got the stoning sentence.

They won't stone her anyway, I would be totally shocked if they did.

Biggins · 08-08-2010 03:51AM

SuperInfinity wrote: »

I'm not defending this, but the reason she received the preliminary stoning sentence is for taking part in murder, not just because of adultery. Her adultery only got her lashes, it was the new evidence that came to light that showed she had a part in murder that she got the stoning sentence.

They won't stone her anyway, I would be totally shocked if they did.

Sorry but the "murder" reason was only introduced in the last few days and not introduced at her trial at any stage that we know of.

It's now been recognised that this is a lie and PR tactic introduced in the last few days by the Iranian government as to try and NOW justify her forth coming death.
To quote the British Times:

Initially convicted of having an “illicit relationship” in 2006, her case was later reopened and she was found guilty of adultery and sentenced to death.

Source: http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/83/wwwthetimescoukttonewsw.jpg

This is a story I have been deeply following for some time now and if you bother to read back that the material supplied in previous posts/threads, you will become aware of the many tactics that are being used by the Iranian government to try to bully, silence and save face by lie after lie.

She was NEVER on trial for murder.

The following publicly signed a letter asking for her to be let go.
Do you think they would do so if she had been on trail for murder anyway?

The political world

Lord Anderson of Swansea, former chairman of Foreign Affairs Select Committee

Baroness Ashton of Upholland, High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy of the European Union

Robert Badinter, former minister of justice (France)

Ed Balls, MP

Rabbi Dr Tony Bayfield, head of Movement for Reform Judaism

Souhayr Belhassen, President, International Federation for Human Rights

John Bolton, former US Ambassador to UN

Elizabeth Broderick, Australian Sex Discrimination Commissioner

Chris Bryant, former Foreign Office Minister

Karen Buck, MP

Jerzy Buzek, President of the European Parliament

Sir Menzies Campbell, MP

The Honourable Lawrence Cannon P.C., MP, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Canada

Shami Chakrabati, Director, Liberty

Ann Clwyd, MP

Yvette Cooper, MP

Stella Creasy, MP

David Davis, MP

Jean-Pierre Dubois, President, French League for the Defence of Human Rights

Andrew Griffiths, MP

Harriet Harman, MP

Richard Harrington, MP

Margaret Hodge, MP

Bärbel Höhn, deputy leader, German Green Party

Lukrezia Jochimsen, German presidential candidate

Kevan Jones, MP

Renate Künast, former consumer affairs minister, Germany

Kwasi Kwarteng, MP

Karim Lahidji, President, Iranian League for the Defence of Human Rights

Sir Ken Macdonald, former Director of Public Prosecutions

David Miliband, MP

Baroness Nicholson of Winterbourne, Liberal Democrat peer

José Ramos-Horta, President, Democratic Republic of Timor Leste

Condoleezza Rice, former US Secretary of State

Rabbi Danny Rich, chief executive, Liberal Judaism

Sir Malcolm Rifkind, MP

Claudia Roth, chairman of German Green Party

Sir Sigmund Sternberg, businessman and philanthropist

Jack Straw, MP

Alexander Stubb, foreign minister of Finland

Jürgen Trittin, former environment minister, Germany

Michel Tubiana, Honorary President, French League for the Defence of Human Rights

Charles Walker, MP

Rabbi Jonathan Wittenberg, Senior Rabbi, Assembly of Masorty Synagogues

John Woodcock, MP

Lord Woolf, former Lord Chief Justice

François Zimeray, Ambassador for Human Rights, French Ministry of Foreign Affairs

The arts world

Javed Akhtar, poet and lyricist

Shabana Azmi, actor

Elisabeth Badinter, philosopher

Alec Baldwin, actor

Juliette Binoche, actor

Jane Birkin, actor and model

Frank Cottrell Boyce, screenwriter

A.S. Byatt, author

Simon Callow, actor

Peter Carey, author

Michael Craig Martin, artist

Jeremy Deller, artist

Robert De Niro, actor

Emily Eavis, festival organiser

Tracey Emin, artist

Sir Richard Eyre, director

Sir Ranulph Fiennes, adventurer

Colin Firth, actor

Mem Fox, writer

Anna Funder, writer

André Glucksmann, philosopher

A.C. Grayling, philosopher

Katherine Hamnett, fashion designer

Sir David Hare, playwright

Chloe Hooper, author

Gary Hume, artist

Sir Nicholas Hytner, director

Jay Jopling, gallery director

Shekhar Kapur, director

Neil LaBute, playwright

Bernard Henri Lévy, philosopher

Melina Marchetta, writer

Tim Marlow, art historian

Sir Ian McKellen, actor

Erin O’Connor, model

Philip Pullman, author

Lord Puttnam, film producer

Robert Redford, actor

Sir Norman Rosenthal, curator

Ziauddin Sardar, commentator

Sir Tom Stoppard, playwright

Emma Thompson, actor

Keith Tyson, artist

Mark Wallinger, artist

Fay Weldon, author

Newspaper: http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/83/wwwthetimescoukttonewsw.jpg

d22ontour · 08-08-2010 03:57AM

MrDarcy wrote: »

I wonder how quick the people here condemning the imminent treatment/execution of this poor woman, will turn on the US when they eventually decide to go in there and sort out the governance of Iran, which I hope they do before this year is out. T

What they should do is sell Iraq chemical weapons to use on them, oh wait , they can't anymore ...

SuperInfinity · 08-08-2010 04:02AM

Biggins wrote: »

This is a story I have been deeply following for some time now and if you bother to read back that the material supplied in previous posts, you will become aware of the many tactics that are being used by the Iranian government to try to bully, silence and save face by lie after lie.

She was NEVER on trial for murder.

lol. The whole reason she is getting a sentence on top of the 99 lashes is because of the complicity in her husband's murder.

If you've been deeply following it for some time then you should know that it's more than the past few days. AT LEAST one week ago she was suspected of murder.... I found that out the first time I saw it and that was at least about one week ago.

When it came out first then maybe the western media didn't get all the facts, they just broke out in hysteria. However at least one week ago they were saying about her having plotted and helped to kill her husband. I stated back then that she won't be stoned anyway and I still think it's highly unlikely.

Biggins · 08-08-2010 04:08AM

SuperInfinity wrote: »

lol. The whole reason she is getting a sentence on top of the 99 lashes is because of the complicity in her husband's murder.

If you've been deeply following it for some time then you should know that it's more than the past few days. AT LEAST one week ago she was suspected of murder.... I found that out the first time I saw it and that was at least about one week ago.

When it came out first then maybe the western media didn't get all the facts, they just broke out in hysteria. However at least one week ago they were saying about her having plotted and helped to kill her husband. I stated back then that she won't be stoned anyway and I still think it's highly unlikely.

Think some facts need to be rechecked - see above again!
Please provide any links to show an actual trial for murder took place for her.

Its now likely that she will be hanged.

Further more I suggest you read the following:

In 2006, Ms. Ashtiani received 99 lashes for having “illicit relations” with two men after her husband died. Later that year, one of the men was convicted of the murder of her husband. Her case was revisited, and she was convicted of adultery and sentenced to death by stoning

Source: http://www.iranfocus.com/en/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=21284:irans-account-of-womans-crime-shifting-from-adultery-to-murder&catid=6:women&Itemid=28

There are MANY similar examples.
An obvious one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakineh_Mohammadi_Ashtiani

Einhard · 08-08-2010 05:18AM

Noreen1 wrote: »

I've just checked the Amnesty International website for a petition, but I can't find one....

Cases like this make my blood boil.:mad: I'm actually seriously considering joining Amnesty International, at this stage!
Thanks for the links, Biggins

Noreen

I just had a look at Amnesty''s website myself. Not a sign of anything regarding this travesty of justice. Yet, out of the seven articles on the front page, five of them concern the Palestinians. Says it all to me really. I thought Amnesty were supposed to be blind in their advocacy, not picking and choosing special cases?

Noreen1 · 08-08-2010 03:24PM

Einhard wrote: »

I just had a look at Amnesty''s website myself. Not a sign of anything regarding this travesty of justice. Yet, out of the seven articles on the front page, five of them concern the Palestinians. Says it all to me really. I thought Amnesty were supposed to be blind in their advocacy, not picking and choosing special cases?

Thanks for that Einhard. You made me do some investigating. It seems AI highlight different cases, according to which of their websites you visit. I found this on their US site.

We [URL="http://blog.amnestyusa.org/middle-east/story-of-two-women-two-death-sentences-in-iran/"]reported[/URL]  last month that Iran halted the stoning of Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani.  And while this may seem like cause for celebration, an uneasy cloud of  uncertainty has shrouded this potential victory.  We still fear that [URL="http://www.amnestyusa.org/document.php?id=ENGUSA20100709001&lang=e"]Ashtiani may be hanged, as charges against her have surfaced in connection to the murder of her husband[/URL].
 [URL="http://blog.amnestyusa.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/iran-sakineh560_0.jpg"][IMG]http://blog.amnestyusa.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/iran-sakineh560_0.jpg[/IMG][/URL]Mostafaei is defending Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, who was sentenced to death by stoning.

 But this is not the only unsettling development for those involved in the case.  Yesterday, we [URL="http://www.amnestyusa.org/document.php?id=ENGNAU2010072818045&lang=e"]denounced the arrest[/URL]  of Mohammad Mostafaei&#8217;s wife and brother-in-law, Fereshteh and Farhad  Halimi, urging the Iranian authorities to stop harassing Mostafaei.
 Mostafaei, a leading human rights lawyer, is defense counsel for  Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, whose sentence of death by stoning for  alleged adultery recently provoked wide an international public outcry  and is a focus of continuing protests and worldwide demands for  clemency.
 He was issued with a summons on July 21 requiring him to go to a  branch of the Prosecutor&#8217;s Office in Evin Prison. He went there on July  24, was questioned for at least one hour and then was released. Later,  however, he received a further summons by telephone. The same evening,  his wife and her brother were arrested and have been detained since.
 Mostafaei&#8217;s current whereabouts are not known. On the evening of July  24, he wrote on his Facebook account: &#8220;it is possible they will arrest  me.&#8221;
 Amnesty International is urging its membership to appeal to the head of the Iranian Judiciary and other authorities to [URL="http://www.amnestyusa.org/actioncenter/actions/uaa17509.pdf"]stop harassing Mostafaei and release Fereshteh and Farhad Halimi[/URL].

http://blog.amnestyusa.org/category/deathpenalty/

Noreen

SuperInfinity · 08-08-2010 03:28PM

Biggins wrote: »

Think some facts need to be rechecked - see above again!
Please provide any links to show an actual trial for murder took place for her.

During her murder trial the illicit relationship thing was reopened, then deemed adultery, and although several judges voted against her convicted, one or two without evidence felt she was guilty and condemned her to stoning...these are the facts as reported worldwide, including sources in Middle East, etc. and can be found be anyone who has the slightest interest in doing any research before condemning this woman.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/sakineh-mohammadi-ashtiani-will-not-be-stoned-death-2638248.html

I won't waste my time with your trolling nonsense, but she did get a fair trial or at least A trial. Clown.

Biggins wrote: »

Further more I suggest you read the following:

Source: http://www.iranfocus.com/en/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=21284:irans-account-of-womans-crime-shifting-from-adultery-to-murder&catid=6:women&Itemid=28

They are claiming they are shifting the focus of it. Not denying she was found guilty of murder at all. I am very suspicious over whether they are or not. They are anti-Iranian regime so of course they would say that, just like republican blogs criticize the US presidency.

Biggins wrote: »

There are MANY similar examples.
An obvious one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakineh_Mohammadi_Ashtiani

lol... he doesn't even realise that that's the same woman. Maybe remembering all her names when you'll probably never use them might be a bit much but you could at least register one of them (or even just actually read the wikipedia link).

You are what's wrong with the internet, you're the worst type of troll. You'll always stick the words like "many" in there in big bold letters when you don't have a clue whether there is or not you're just guessing. You'll always talk about about you have been following this case closely. You'll always throw in "etc." at the end of a list after you've exhausted all your ability to possibly name any more. You sicken me, you don't realize the real hurt and damage you do to this world with your lies.

Please just stop. Just STOP. You really, really, really have no idea what you're talking about, NO, I am not just saying that, you do NOT. How many books have you read on these matters? I know you must reckon sitting at home in front of your computer that you can have opinions too, and you can "show" other people who is cool and "prove" you're right by clever use of language. It's not about me talking you down cause I want to prove I'm right, I'm begging you to consider that you really have no idea what you're talking about and yet are just abusing words, bolding words, doing everything you can in order to try to make it sound like your opinion is the correct one and as if you know so much, when in actual fact you really know very little to nothing.

The "Torturer Of Tehran" Now Has The Woman Who Is To Be Stoned!

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