The "Torturer Of Tehran" Now Has The Woman Who Is To Be Stoned!

Biggins

The "Torturer Of Tehran" Now Has The Woman Who Is To Be Stoned!

* Plus

Her lawyer who escaped Iran, is now under arrest in Turkey.

The Iranian lawyer defending a woman sentenced to death by stoning for alleged adultery has fled to Turkey, where he has been arrested and applied for asylum.
In Tehran, Mohammed Mostafaei’s wife is now being held in solitary confinement in the infamous Evin prison, The Times has learnt. Her brother and father were released earlier this week.

In another ominous development, the fate of Mr Mostafaei’s client, Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, was consigned yesterday to Saeed Mortazavi, Iran’s deputy prosecutor general, who is notorious for his brutality.

Ms Ashtiani’s supporters in the West said that it was a sign that the regime was preparing to face down international outrage and execute her by hanging, if not by stoning.

The FULL Times Article: http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/83/wwwthetimescoukttonewsw.jpg

Its not looking good for the woman.

scientific1982

Poor woman. Thats religion for ya.

Biggins

Don't forget about the now 18 year old that is to be executed soon for supposed similar "crime" done where she was 14!!!
(They waited for 4 years (after lashing her) till she was 18, so that they could then execute her because she wasn't an adult yet!)

The country is pure barbaric and a world disgrace as regards female justice and human rights.

Killer Pigeon

Again, more proof on why a secular society is a better society.

Mrmoe

That is nuts, I hope she can some how escape execution.

TPD

Why do you link to a large image file rather than the article's page? Noticed on abother thread of yours too. Curious.

Biggins

TPD wrote: »

Why do you link to a large image file rather than the article's page? Noticed on abother thread of yours too. Curious.

The Times is a pay per view site.
If you have an account with them you can view the page, if not, your blocked out.
I have an account with The Times. I pay, you view via screen grab.

Dudess

If someone defends this with "Stop forcing western values on them" type tripe, or if someone uses it to condemn all muslims, I'll cry...

/gets Kleenex

PKen

Contact Amnesty International. They may have an online petition (or similar) to sign. A load of signitures might help save the woman's life. Let's face it, if we can write posts on this thread, we can surely take time out to sign a petition or a write a letter. AI have a proven track record of helping people this way.

Mike 1972

Dudess wrote: »

If someone defends this with "Stop forcing western values on them" type tripe, or if someone uses it to condemn all muslims, I'll cry...

How are you with Nuke em -its for their own good........?

Dudess

Mike 1972 wrote: »

How are you with Nuke em -its for their own good........?

Kinda combines the two...

Dave147

My uncle is Iranian and he travelled home recently just for a trip. He's been living in Ireland since he was 16 and most of his family live in Holland.

He told me that the government want to see misery out there, if you look well-to-do or happy you are fined. If you are clean shaven you are fined, if you are wearing short-sleeves you are fined, if your woman isn't dressed appropriately you are fined.

If you cannot pay the fine there and then you are taken away and may not be seen or heard from for about 3 days.

I think my aunt has been there once with him, but it's a dangerous, horrible society and I'm glad my uncle is back here. We don't know how good we have it, recession or no recession.

CliffHuxtabel

I wonder what type of narcotics the executioner will decide to use

Biggins

Some breaking news update:

The prominent Iranian lawyer forced to flee his country for defending a woman sentenced to death by stoning was released from detention in Turkey yesterday, and will fly into exile in Norway tomorrow.

But before he leaves, Mohammed Mostafaei said he was consumed with worry about his wife who has now been held in solitary confinement in Tehran’s infamous Evin prison for two weeks.

The below article includes a picture of them - including his young daughter whom I believe they put in prison also at one stage to get him to give himself up!
Madness!

The article is in jpeg format due to The Times site being pay per view and ye wouldn't be able to see/read it otherwise:

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/83/wwwthetimescoukttonewsw.jpg

Noreen1

I've just checked the Amnesty International website for a petition, but I can't find one....

Cases like this make my blood boil.:mad: I'm actually seriously considering joining Amnesty International, at this stage!
Thanks for the links, Biggins

Noreen

pirelli

Dave147 wrote: »

My uncle is Iranian and he travelled home recently just for a trip. He's been living in Ireland since he was 16 and most of his family live in Holland.

He told me that the government want to see misery out there, if you look well-to-do or happy you are fined. If you are clean shaven you are fined, if you are wearing short-sleeves you are fined, if your woman isn't dressed appropriately you are fined.

If you cannot pay the fine there and then you are taken away and may not be seen or heard from for about 3 days.

I think my aunt has been there once with him, but it's a dangerous, horrible society and I'm glad my uncle is back here. We don't know how good we have it, recession or no recession.

Yes! We do have it good here. Shame about the Iranians.

Dave147

pirelli wrote: »

Yes! We do have it good here. Shame about the Iranians.

Yeah, they have it rough. Although my choice of words wasn't the best, I probably should have said "Less bad" instead of good!

Dudess

Comparatively speaking, it's definitely "good".

MrDarcy

I wonder how quick the people here condemning the imminent treatment/execution of this poor woman, will turn on the US when they eventually decide to go in there and sort out the governance of Iran, which I hope they do before this year is out. The same nutcases that are running Iran and giving us this story to talk about, also want to hold a nuclear weapon.

Morale of the story: ECONOMIC SANCTIONS DON'T HAVE ANY EFFECT ON NUTCASE GOVERNMENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

starbelgrade

Biggins wrote: »

The Times is a pay per view site.
If you have an account with them you can view the page, if not, your blocked out.
I have an account with The Times. I pay, you view via screen grab.

Posting copyrighted material on a public forum. In some countries they'd stone you for that, Biggins.

Biggins

starbelgrade wrote: »

Posting copyrighted material on a public forum. In some countries they'd stone you for that, Biggins.

The wife has said I've had rocks on/in the head for years so I'd be immune by this stage I guess.

starbelgrade

Biggins wrote: »

The wife has said I've had rocks on/in the head for years so I'd be immune by this stage I guess.

There's a difference though, between teabagging & having actual rocks thrown at you.

Biggins

starbelgrade wrote: »

There's a difference though, between teabagging & having actual rocks thrown at you.

It mightn't have been rocks (except for once or twice) but in my time, I've had worse thrown at me. :pac:

SuperInfinity

I'm not defending this, but the reason she received the preliminary stoning sentence is for taking part in murder, not just because of adultery. Her adultery only got her lashes, it was the new evidence that came to light that showed she had a part in murder that she got the stoning sentence.

They won't stone her anyway, I would be totally shocked if they did.

Biggins

SuperInfinity wrote: »

I'm not defending this, but the reason she received the preliminary stoning sentence is for taking part in murder, not just because of adultery. Her adultery only got her lashes, it was the new evidence that came to light that showed she had a part in murder that she got the stoning sentence.

They won't stone her anyway, I would be totally shocked if they did.

Sorry but the "murder" reason was only introduced in the last few days and not introduced at her trial at any stage that we know of.

It's now been recognised that this is a lie and PR tactic introduced in the last few days by the Iranian government as to try and NOW justify her forth coming death.
To quote the British Times:

Initially convicted of having an “illicit relationship” in 2006, her case was later reopened and she was found guilty of adultery and sentenced to death.

Source: http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/83/wwwthetimescoukttonewsw.jpg

This is a story I have been deeply following for some time now and if you bother to read back that the material supplied in previous posts/threads, you will become aware of the many tactics that are being used by the Iranian government to try to bully, silence and save face by lie after lie.

She was NEVER on trial for murder.

The following publicly signed a letter asking for her to be let go.
Do you think they would do so if she had been on trail for murder anyway?

The political world

Lord Anderson of Swansea, former chairman of Foreign Affairs Select Committee

Baroness Ashton of Upholland, High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy of the European Union

Robert Badinter, former minister of justice (France)

Ed Balls, MP

Rabbi Dr Tony Bayfield, head of Movement for Reform Judaism

Souhayr Belhassen, President, International Federation for Human Rights

John Bolton, former US Ambassador to UN

Elizabeth Broderick, Australian Sex Discrimination Commissioner

Chris Bryant, former Foreign Office Minister

Karen Buck, MP

Jerzy Buzek, President of the European Parliament

Sir Menzies Campbell, MP

The Honourable Lawrence Cannon P.C., MP, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Canada

Shami Chakrabati, Director, Liberty

Ann Clwyd, MP

Yvette Cooper, MP

Stella Creasy, MP

David Davis, MP

Jean-Pierre Dubois, President, French League for the Defence of Human Rights

Andrew Griffiths, MP

Harriet Harman, MP

Richard Harrington, MP

Margaret Hodge, MP

Bärbel Höhn, deputy leader, German Green Party

Lukrezia Jochimsen, German presidential candidate

Kevan Jones, MP

Renate Künast, former consumer affairs minister, Germany

Kwasi Kwarteng, MP

Karim Lahidji, President, Iranian League for the Defence of Human Rights

Sir Ken Macdonald, former Director of Public Prosecutions

David Miliband, MP

Baroness Nicholson of Winterbourne, Liberal Democrat peer

José Ramos-Horta, President, Democratic Republic of Timor Leste

Condoleezza Rice, former US Secretary of State

Rabbi Danny Rich, chief executive, Liberal Judaism

Sir Malcolm Rifkind, MP

Claudia Roth, chairman of German Green Party

Sir Sigmund Sternberg, businessman and philanthropist

Jack Straw, MP

Alexander Stubb, foreign minister of Finland

Jürgen Trittin, former environment minister, Germany

Michel Tubiana, Honorary President, French League for the Defence of Human Rights

Charles Walker, MP

Rabbi Jonathan Wittenberg, Senior Rabbi, Assembly of Masorty Synagogues

John Woodcock, MP

Lord Woolf, former Lord Chief Justice

François Zimeray, Ambassador for Human Rights, French Ministry of Foreign Affairs

The arts world

Javed Akhtar, poet and lyricist

Shabana Azmi, actor

Elisabeth Badinter, philosopher

Alec Baldwin, actor

Juliette Binoche, actor

Jane Birkin, actor and model

Frank Cottrell Boyce, screenwriter

A.S. Byatt, author

Simon Callow, actor

Peter Carey, author

Michael Craig Martin, artist

Jeremy Deller, artist

Robert De Niro, actor

Emily Eavis, festival organiser

Tracey Emin, artist

Sir Richard Eyre, director

Sir Ranulph Fiennes, adventurer

Colin Firth, actor

Mem Fox, writer

Anna Funder, writer

André Glucksmann, philosopher

A.C. Grayling, philosopher

Katherine Hamnett, fashion designer

Sir David Hare, playwright

Chloe Hooper, author

Gary Hume, artist

Sir Nicholas Hytner, director

Jay Jopling, gallery director

Shekhar Kapur, director

Neil LaBute, playwright

Bernard Henri Lévy, philosopher

Melina Marchetta, writer

Tim Marlow, art historian

Sir Ian McKellen, actor

Erin O’Connor, model

Philip Pullman, author

Lord Puttnam, film producer

Robert Redford, actor

Sir Norman Rosenthal, curator

Ziauddin Sardar, commentator

Sir Tom Stoppard, playwright

Emma Thompson, actor

Keith Tyson, artist

Mark Wallinger, artist

Fay Weldon, author

Newspaper: http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/83/wwwthetimescoukttonewsw.jpg

d22ontour

MrDarcy wrote: »

I wonder how quick the people here condemning the imminent treatment/execution of this poor woman, will turn on the US when they eventually decide to go in there and sort out the governance of Iran, which I hope they do before this year is out. T

What they should do is sell Iraq chemical weapons to use on them, oh wait , they can't anymore ...

SuperInfinity

Biggins wrote: »

This is a story I have been deeply following for some time now and if you bother to read back that the material supplied in previous posts, you will become aware of the many tactics that are being used by the Iranian government to try to bully, silence and save face by lie after lie.

She was NEVER on trial for murder.

lol. The whole reason she is getting a sentence on top of the 99 lashes is because of the complicity in her husband's murder.

If you've been deeply following it for some time then you should know that it's more than the past few days. AT LEAST one week ago she was suspected of murder.... I found that out the first time I saw it and that was at least about one week ago.

When it came out first then maybe the western media didn't get all the facts, they just broke out in hysteria. However at least one week ago they were saying about her having plotted and helped to kill her husband. I stated back then that she won't be stoned anyway and I still think it's highly unlikely.

Biggins

SuperInfinity wrote: »

lol. The whole reason she is getting a sentence on top of the 99 lashes is because of the complicity in her husband's murder.

If you've been deeply following it for some time then you should know that it's more than the past few days. AT LEAST one week ago she was suspected of murder.... I found that out the first time I saw it and that was at least about one week ago.

When it came out first then maybe the western media didn't get all the facts, they just broke out in hysteria. However at least one week ago they were saying about her having plotted and helped to kill her husband. I stated back then that she won't be stoned anyway and I still think it's highly unlikely.

Think some facts need to be rechecked - see above again!
Please provide any links to show an actual trial for murder took place for her.

Its now likely that she will be hanged.

Further more I suggest you read the following:

In 2006, Ms. Ashtiani received 99 lashes for having “illicit relations” with two men after her husband died. Later that year, one of the men was convicted of the murder of her husband. Her case was revisited, and she was convicted of adultery and sentenced to death by stoning

Source: http://www.iranfocus.com/en/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=21284:irans-account-of-womans-crime-shifting-from-adultery-to-murder&catid=6:women&Itemid=28

There are MANY similar examples.
An obvious one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakineh_Mohammadi_Ashtiani

Einhard

Noreen1 wrote: »

I've just checked the Amnesty International website for a petition, but I can't find one....

Cases like this make my blood boil.:mad: I'm actually seriously considering joining Amnesty International, at this stage!
Thanks for the links, Biggins

Noreen

I just had a look at Amnesty''s website myself. Not a sign of anything regarding this travesty of justice. Yet, out of the seven articles on the front page, five of them concern the Palestinians. Says it all to me really. I thought Amnesty were supposed to be blind in their advocacy, not picking and choosing special cases?

Noreen1

Einhard wrote: »

I just had a look at Amnesty''s website myself. Not a sign of anything regarding this travesty of justice. Yet, out of the seven articles on the front page, five of them concern the Palestinians. Says it all to me really. I thought Amnesty were supposed to be blind in their advocacy, not picking and choosing special cases?

Thanks for that Einhard. You made me do some investigating. It seems AI highlight different cases, according to which of their websites you visit. I found this on their US site.

We [URL="http://blog.amnestyusa.org/middle-east/story-of-two-women-two-death-sentences-in-iran/"]reported[/URL]  last month that Iran halted the stoning of Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani.  And while this may seem like cause for celebration, an uneasy cloud of  uncertainty has shrouded this potential victory.  We still fear that [URL="http://www.amnestyusa.org/document.php?id=ENGUSA20100709001&lang=e"]Ashtiani may be hanged, as charges against her have surfaced in connection to the murder of her husband[/URL].
 [URL="http://blog.amnestyusa.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/iran-sakineh560_0.jpg"][IMG]http://blog.amnestyusa.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/iran-sakineh560_0.jpg[/IMG][/URL]Mostafaei is defending Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, who was sentenced to death by stoning.

 But this is not the only unsettling development for those involved in the case.  Yesterday, we [URL="http://www.amnestyusa.org/document.php?id=ENGNAU2010072818045&lang=e"]denounced the arrest[/URL]  of Mohammad Mostafaei’s wife and brother-in-law, Fereshteh and Farhad  Halimi, urging the Iranian authorities to stop harassing Mostafaei.
 Mostafaei, a leading human rights lawyer, is defense counsel for  Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, whose sentence of death by stoning for  alleged adultery recently provoked wide an international public outcry  and is a focus of continuing protests and worldwide demands for  clemency.
 He was issued with a summons on July 21 requiring him to go to a  branch of the Prosecutor’s Office in Evin Prison. He went there on July  24, was questioned for at least one hour and then was released. Later,  however, he received a further summons by telephone. The same evening,  his wife and her brother were arrested and have been detained since.
 Mostafaei’s current whereabouts are not known. On the evening of July  24, he wrote on his Facebook account: “it is possible they will arrest  me.”
 Amnesty International is urging its membership to appeal to the head of the Iranian Judiciary and other authorities to [URL="http://www.amnestyusa.org/actioncenter/actions/uaa17509.pdf"]stop harassing Mostafaei and release Fereshteh and Farhad Halimi[/URL].
                                   

http://blog.amnestyusa.org/category/deathpenalty/

Noreen

SuperInfinity

Biggins wrote: »

Think some facts need to be rechecked - see above again!
Please provide any links to show an actual trial for murder took place for her.

During her murder trial the illicit relationship thing was reopened, then deemed adultery, and although several judges voted against her convicted, one or two without evidence felt she was guilty and condemned her to stoning...these are the facts as reported worldwide, including sources in Middle East, etc. and can be found be anyone who has the slightest interest in doing any research before condemning this woman.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/sakineh-mohammadi-ashtiani-will-not-be-stoned-death-2638248.html

I won't waste my time with your trolling nonsense, but she did get a fair trial or at least A trial. Clown.

Biggins wrote: »

Further more I suggest you read the following:

Source: http://www.iranfocus.com/en/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=21284:irans-account-of-womans-crime-shifting-from-adultery-to-murder&catid=6:women&Itemid=28

They are claiming they are shifting the focus of it. Not denying she was found guilty of murder at all. I am very suspicious over whether they are or not. They are anti-Iranian regime so of course they would say that, just like republican blogs criticize the US presidency.

Biggins wrote: »

There are MANY similar examples.
An obvious one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakineh_Mohammadi_Ashtiani

lol... he doesn't even realise that that's the same woman. Maybe remembering all her names when you'll probably never use them might be a bit much but you could at least register one of them (or even just actually read the wikipedia link).

You are what's wrong with the internet, you're the worst type of troll. You'll always stick the words like "many" in there in big bold letters when you don't have a clue whether there is or not you're just guessing. You'll always talk about about you have been following this case closely. You'll always throw in "etc." at the end of a list after you've exhausted all your ability to possibly name any more. You sicken me, you don't realize the real hurt and damage you do to this world with your lies.

Please just stop. Just STOP. You really, really, really have no idea what you're talking about, NO, I am not just saying that, you do NOT. How many books have you read on these matters? I know you must reckon sitting at home in front of your computer that you can have opinions too, and you can "show" other people who is cool and "prove" you're right by clever use of language. It's not about me talking you down cause I want to prove I'm right, I'm begging you to consider that you really have no idea what you're talking about and yet are just abusing words, bolding words, doing everything you can in order to try to make it sound like your opinion is the correct one and as if you know so much, when in actual fact you really know very little to nothing.

Sanjuro

Biggins wrote: »

Her lawyer who escaped Iran, is now under arrest in Turkey.

The same lawyer is currently trying to defend a poor young guy who was falsely accused of sodomy and is facing execution. Even though his 'victim' publicly stated that the accusation was made under duress and has no truth to it.

The way Iran is portrayed by western media is pretty skewed. But it's very hard to defend an regime that is pretty sick in it's views on women and homosexuality.

Iran set to execute 18-year-old on false charge of sodomy.

Biggins

First of all Superinfinity, the quote you posted IS FROM A COMMENT!
..But hey!!! Lets try and pass that that off as part of a newspaper article!

Secondly - LAY OFF THE DIRECT INSULTS!


When your finish your endless ranting, go get an education more so and learn to get that chip off your shoulder.

Again I ask please show ANY ACTUAL NEWS REPORT where she was on trial previously for murder!
* For the record, she was originally accused of having an "illicit relationship" and during THAT trial they tried to taint her as a murderer - but as even that article you posted about says - she was not found guilty in that respect!

Now the Iranians in order to try and spin things, are saying that there was a murder trail and she was NOW found guilty!

Any excuse to justify their hanging her and save face!

Micky Dolenz

The Snipping stops now. Please do not back seat mod. If you have a problem with a post, Please report it.

Terry

Biggins wrote: »

Some breaking news update:



The below article includes a picture of them - including his young daughter whom I believe they put in prison also at one stage to get him to give himself up!
Madness!

The article is in jpeg format due to The Times site being pay per view and ye wouldn't be able to see/read it otherwise:

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/83/wwwthetimescoukttonewsw.jpg

Holy crap.
Iranian chicks do have faces.

MrDarcy wrote: »

I wonder how quick the people here condemning the imminent treatment/execution of this poor woman, will turn on the US when they eventually decide to go in there and sort out the governance of Iran, which I hope they do before this year is out. The same nutcases that are running Iran and giving us this story to talk about, also want to hold a nuclear weapon.

Morale of the story: ECONOMIC SANCTIONS DON'T HAVE ANY EFFECT ON NUTCASE GOVERNMENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'd like to make a pre-emptive strike about the imminent U.S. strike.
Dear U.S., please stay the **** out of other countries.
The Iranian people need to sort this out by themselves.
Killing hundreds of thousand of people, and then saying that you are doing it to help them does not actually help. It only makes things worse.

MrDarcy

Terry wrote: »

Holy crap.
Iranian chicks do have faces.




I'd like to make a pre-emptive strike about the imminent U.S. strike.
Dear U.S., please stay the **** out of other countries.
The Iranian people need to sort this out by themselves.
Killing hundreds of thousand of people, and then saying that you are doing it to help them does not actually help. It only makes things worse.

Yeah just like the Iraqi people managed to rid themselves of Saddam on their own. That c*nt would never have ended up swinging from a rope, and his two scumbag sons would never have ended up lying on a table covered with ****ty blue morgue sheets for the whole world to see, only one country had the balls to go in and sort him out for once and for all.

The technology now exists to remotely take out the likes of all these religious nutcase dictators for once and for all, North Korea, Iran, all these nutjob countries, the world (not just the US), should have a plan to eliminate the nutcases that are running these places.

Einhard

Noreen1 wrote: »

Thanks for that Einhard. You made me do some investigating. It seems AI highlight different cases, according to which of their websites you visit. I found this on their US site...

It looks like Amnesty's local branches pick and choose which issues they're going to publicise according to the prejudices of their target national audience. I can understand that to some degree, but it is still a shocking example of playing politics by an organisation which claims to advocate for ALL those suffering violations of their human rights. Amnesty, and any other organisation of its type, should be above such petty politicing.

Terry

MrDarcy wrote: »

Yeah just like the Iraqi people managed to rid themselves of Saddam on their own. That c*nt would never have ended up swinging from a rope, and his two scumbag sons would never have ended up lying on a table covered with ****ty blue morgue sheets for the whole world to see, only one country had the balls to go in and sort him out for once and for all.

The technology now exists to remotely take out the likes of all these religious nutcase dictators for once and for all, North Korea, Iran, all these nutjob countries, the world (not just the US), should have a plan to eliminate the nutcases that are running these places.

It's a bit early in the thread for this, but here it is anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhnUgAaea4M

MrDarcy

Terry wrote: »

It's a bit early in the thread for this, but here it is anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhnUgAaea4M

Sure we'll just keep tolerating this then...

Einhard

MrDarcy wrote: »

The technology now exists to remotely take out the likes of all these religious nutcase dictators for once and for all, North Korea, Iran, all these nutjob countries, the world (not just the US), should have a plan to eliminate the nutcases that are running these places.

Who decides who the nutjobs are though?

Terry

MrDarcy wrote: »

Sure we'll just keep tolerating this then...

I'll see your 4 people and raise you this.

Einhard

Terry wrote: »

I'll see your 4 people and raise you this.

How many of those casualties were as a result of Allied action as opposed to suicide bombers? I don't see how the blame can be apportioned to America when a brainwashed mentally handicapped child carries a suicide bomb into a market place and kills dozens.

Dave147

MrDarcy wrote: »

Sure we'll just keep tolerating this then...

You might put a warning with your link that it contains sensitive photo's. I would imagine there are many people reading this thread who don't want to see innocent people being hanged.

Terry

Einhard wrote: »

How many of those casualties were as a result of Allied action as opposed to suicide bombers? I don't see how the blame can be apportioned to America when a brainwashed mentally handicapped child carries a suicide bomb into a market place and kills dozens.

Yeah, those massive bombing campaigns are far less effective than IEDs.

Einhard

Terry wrote: »

Yeah, those massive bombing campaigns are far less effective than IEDs.

I think the following is much over-used on boards, and I don't like using it myself, but

What on earth does the above have to do with my post?

MrDarcy

Terry wrote: »

Yeah, those massive bombing campaigns are far less effective than IEDs.

Your argument is so typically Irish. It's 2010 for Christs sake, why should we tolerate government's stoning people and hanging them from cranes, etc???

I also notice that you casually brushed over the fact that I mentioned that our new approach to dealing with these nutjob regimes should not involve the US exclusively, even though for having the balls to go in and sort out the **** that the rest of us would rather "just didn't keep on happening", I take my hat off to them and I thank them. However I am of the view that we need to come up with some sort of a worldwide model for liberty, freedom and the right to a normal existance for people who are on the planet, and where we have nutjob character or characters that selfishly deprive their people of these things, they should realise then that the Predator drones will not be circling too far away in the sky above.

I personally would donate money to a fund that would take out the regime in Iran or North Korea. It doesn't have to involve mas killing, I'm thinking of a surgical strike that wipes out the whole top layer of the problem.

Leaving the actions of the US aside, there is no fear of justice or retribution whatsoever for any dictator or war criminal on this earth. Then we act all surprised and disgusted when we see mad sh*t happening like a woman being stoned or a gay kid being hung in Iran. What else should we expect, humans being humans, people, including nutcase dictators and insane national presidents, will always do what they are allowed get away with.

SuperInfinity

MrDarcy wrote: »

Your argument is so typically Irish.

What a load of shíte.

You know very well it has NOTHING to do with being Irish. There is nothing "so typically Irish" about it at all. It could just as easily be made by any nationality. Can you actually believe that? Come on.

I guarantee you a billion times over that there is NOTHING Irish about it and it could be shown as if you had arguments from different countries you wouldn't have the slighest clue what nationality the person was that was making them.

MrDarcy wrote: »

It's 2010 for Christs sake, why should we tolerate government's stoning people and hanging them from cranes, etc???

Why should we tolerate the US executing people? Why should we tolerate the US killing millions of innocent civilians?

You need to get your arguments straight before you start making comments about this. Why should we "tolerate" it? LOL, are you mad? You obviously don't even care about the civilians of those countries or you would say the US are wrong to massacre millions of them both directly and indirectly for economic purposes every few years.

banquo

I love how this was in The Life Of Brian. Shows how insanely backward they are.

Einhard

banquo wrote: »

I love how this was in The Life Of Brian. Shows how insanely backward they are.

Ummm, you saw Muslims in The Life of Brian?