'Sudan sentences 19 men for wearing women's clothes'

Tabnabs · 04-08-2010 02:01PM #1

KHARTOUM — A Sudanese court on Wednesday sentenced 19 young Muslim men to 30 lashes and a fine for breaking moral codes by wearing women's clothes and makeup, a case exposing Sudanese sensitivity toward homosexuality.

Many of the defendants tried to hide their faces from the around 200 people who watched as they were lashed straight after their sentencing. The men had no lawyers present and said nothing in their own defense.

The trial judge said police had raided a party thrown by the 19 men and found them dancing "in a womanly fashion," wearing women's clothes and makeup. He said there was a video of the party and that one woman who was present had fled the scene.

The defendants were charged with violating Sudan's public morality codes.

Local newspapers reported that the party was held to celebrate a same-sex wedding, propelling it into a talking point all over Khartoum's conservative Muslim society. The court on Wednesday made no mention of a marriage ceremony.

One lawyer present, who declined to be named, said legal advocates would have been afraid to take on such a defense.

"These people did not get a chance for justice," he said. "Public opinion and the media prejudged them and lawyers were too scared to come and defend them."

Islamic sharia law has been weaved into Sudan's legal code and was a sticking point in a 2005 peace deal which ended more than two decades of civil war between Khartoum's Islamists and the mostly Christian and animist southern rebels.

The south was exempted from sharia but it still applies in Khartoum, where many non-Muslims live. Khartoum's women's jail is filled with southern non-Muslims convicted of manufacturing or selling alcohol.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38553887

Can't dress as a woman, but dressing up and playing pirates is ok?!

CreepingDeath · 04-08-2010 02:04PM

Dyflin wrote: »

200 people who watched as they were lashed straight after their sentencing.

Wow, they cured them as well !

speedboatchase · 04-08-2010 02:24PM

Were they wearing darfur coats?

KevinVonSpiel · 04-08-2010 02:28PM

It's just the whole Sudan/Yemen/Izzard/Transvestite thing.

kfallon · 04-08-2010 02:30PM

Dyflin wrote: »

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38553887

Can't dress as a woman, but dressing up and playing pirates is ok?!

Wouldn't you rather find your young son playing pirates than dressing up as Lily Savage.....

Tabnabs · 04-08-2010 02:42PM

kfallon wrote: »

Wouldn't you rather find your young son playing pirates than dressing up as Lily Savage.....

Arra, probably not...

pirate

Sea Sharp · 04-08-2010 02:42PM

Halloween is no fun in Sudan.

The_Kew_Tour · 04-08-2010 02:45PM

Maybe they had man boobs and wanted to keep them up.

starbelgrade · 04-08-2010 02:48PM

They always wanted to be lumberjacks.

wes · 04-08-2010 02:51PM

Well, no surprise with this kind of crap from Sudan, what with there President being wanted by the ICC.

KevinVonSpiel · 04-08-2010 03:00PM

wes wrote: »

Well, no surprise with this kind of crap from Sudan, what with there President being wanted by the ICC.

The International Cricket Council?

ejmaztec · 04-08-2010 03:03PM

KevinVonSpiel wrote: »

The International Cricket Council?

Yes, he's a wicket bastard.

wes · 04-08-2010 03:07PM

KevinVonSpiel wrote: »

The International Cricket Council?

Yes, there was cheating in a game with Burkino Faso, when the Sudanese team attacked the other team wtih actual crickets!!!!

KevinVonSpiel · 04-08-2010 03:14PM

wes wrote: »

Yes, there was cheating in a game with Burkino Faso, when the Sudanese team attacked the other team wtih actual crickets!!!!

How very Biblical.

Stinicker · 04-08-2010 03:24PM

Just as well they weren't caught taking off womens clothes or they'd probably have gotten to do the whipping to the women instead.

Islam = A septic slurry tank of utter tripe.

starbelgrade · 04-08-2010 03:27PM

Stinicker wrote: »

Islam = A septic slurry tank of utter tripe.

And that is unlike every other religion, because?

biko · 04-08-2010 03:29PM

Unless white dresses are ok the Saudis are in big trouble.

Stinicker · 04-08-2010 03:34PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

And that is unlike every other religion, because?

Every Religion has its fallacies, however I don't recall anything in mainstream Catholicism that degrades women quite like islam does to its women. Neither is there texts telling followers to kill followers of other religions and await martydom for it. Islam is the greatest threat we face in the world today to our peaceful, democratic way of life and liberal values.

Links234 · 04-08-2010 03:44PM

Stinicker wrote: »

Every Religion has its fallacies, however I don't recall anything in mainstream Catholicism that degrades women quite like islam does to its women.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdalene_asylum

catholics have been pretty brutal towards women in the past, don't fool yourself

wes · 04-08-2010 03:45PM

Stinicker wrote: »

Every Religion has its fallacies, however I don't recall anything in mainstream Catholicism that degrades women quite like islam does to its women. Neither is there texts telling followers to kill followers of other religions and await martydom for it. Islam is the greatest threat we face in the world today to our peaceful, democratic way of life and liberal values.

Ahem, from the Bible.....

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

Sorry, your talking some nonsense. Islam is not a uniquely violent Religion, and is in fact very similar to all the other major Abrhamic faiths, which all feature violence to varying degree's. Basically, your above statement is simply factually incorrect.

stovelid · 04-08-2010 03:48PM

I always wondered what kind of sick fucks actually watch public whippings and whatnot. Surely they weren't just members of the public?

Stinicker · 04-08-2010 03:50PM

wes wrote: »

Ahem, from the Bible.....

Look you can kid yourself all you want, the bible has about the same amount of influence on life in the west as an issue of beano. People in normal countries don't teach their children it is okay to kill people because they are not of the same faith, nor do Christians go around hijacking planes and flying them into buildings either.

You can defend islam all you want but most people will disagree with you, we have moved on from bleeding heart times. Islam is unwelcome in Ireland and in other civilised countries.

The Koran now available in two ply.

wes · 04-08-2010 03:59PM

Stinicker wrote: »

Look you can kid yourself all you want, the bible has about the same amount of influence on life in the west as an issue of beano. People in normal countries don't teach their children it is okay to kill people because they are not of the same faith, nor do Christians go around hijacking planes and flying them into buildings either.

Look, you can try and dodge the false claim you made, but the fact is that you were proven wrong. You made a claim, that was factually incorrect, end of.

Also, I think you will find plenty of other Relgions engage in violence, take the LRA in Uganda for example, modern witch hunts in Africa and Britain, violence from Hindu Ultra Nationalists, West Bank settlers, and a bunch of other crap that happen in the world, that you have chosen to ignore for your own purposes.

Stinicker wrote: »

You can defend islam all you want but most people will disagree with you, we have moved on from bleeding heart times. Islam is unwelcome in Ireland and in other civilised countries.

I wasn't defending anything actually. You made a factually incorrect claim, and all I did was show that you were wrong. You see if you are going to make claims you need facts to back them up. Its seem very clear to me, you don't have the facts on your sides, and hence why you completely ignore the point of my post.

Secondly, freedom of Relgion is guranteed in civilised countries. People who are against such freedoms have more in common with the Sudanese government, as opposed to civilised countries.

DrumSteve · 04-08-2010 04:11PM

Goin out on the lash in Sudan is ****e.

Stinicker · 04-08-2010 04:12PM

wes wrote: »

Look, you can try and dodge the false claim you made, but the fact is that you were proven wrong. You made a claim, that was factually incorrect, end of.

Also, I think you will find plenty of other Relgions engage in violence, take the LRA in Uganda for example, modern witch hunts in Africa and Britain, violence from Hindu Ultra Nationalists, West Bank settlers, and a bunch of other crap that happen in the world, that you have chosen to ignore for your own purposes.

I wasn't defending anything actually. You made a factually incorrect claim, and all I did was show that you were wrong. You see if you are going to make claims you need facts to back them up. Its seem very clear to me, you don't have the facts on your sides, and hence why you completely ignore the point of my post.

Secondly, freedom of Relgion is guranteed in civilised countries. People who are against such freedoms have more in common with the Sudanese government, as opposed to civilised countries.

You can defend islam all you want but I don't care, as far as I am concerned they are murdering evil human rights abusers and this so called religion has no place anywhere. There founder Muhammed was a pedophile who raped children yet you still defend this religion.

You can worship a pedophile all you want but this sort of sh1t is not welcome in any normal country. 800 years ago the men of Europe marched to the east and killed millions of Moslems to this day allied troops kill the moslem, we need to wake and see the blight that Islam and its radicalised followers are to this peaceful world we live.

wes · 04-08-2010 04:19PM

Stinicker wrote: »

You can defend islam all you want but I don't care, as far as I am concerned they are murdering evil human rights abusers and this so called religion has no place anywhere. There founder Muhammed was a pedophile who raped children yet you still defend this religion.

You clearly didn't read my post, and are still posting your utter nonsense and tripe. Once again, you made a factually incorrect claim, and I showed you to be wrong. Repeating the same tripe over and over again, will not make what you said correct. I did not defend anything, you made a claim, that I showed to be factually incorrect, please do keep up with what is being actually said, and not whatever you wish was being said.

Stinicker wrote: »

You can worship a pedophile all you want but this sort of sh1t is not welcome in any normal country. 800 years ago the men of Europe marched to the east and killed millions of Moslems to this day allied troops kill the moslem, we need to wake and see the blight that Islam and its radicalised followers are to this peaceful world we live.

You have done a good job of proving my point of extremism not just existing with in Muslim communities. Thanks you for making this so damn easy

. The amount of hypocrisy in the above statement is just astonshing, if we could find a way to harness hypocrisy for the the purpose of energy that statement alone could run the entire glode for a decade

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Stinicker · 04-08-2010 04:22PM

wes wrote: »

You clearly didn't read my post, and are still posting your utter nonsense and tripe. Once again, you made a factually incorrect claim, and I showed you to be wrong. Repeating the same tripe over and over again, will not make what you said correct. I did not defend anything, you made a claim, that I showed to be factually incorrect, please do keep up with what is being actually said, and not whatever you wish was being said.

You have done a good job of proving my point of extremism not just existing with in Muslim communities. Thanks you for making this so damn easy . The amount of hypocrisy in the above statement is just astonshing, if we could find a way to harness hypocrisy for the the purpose of energy that statement alone could run the entire glode for a decade .

As I have learned long ago there is no point in arguing with an idiot as they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

wes · 04-08-2010 04:25PM

Stinicker wrote: »

As I have learned long ago there is no point in arguing with an idiot as they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

Oh, now you are resorting to name calling

. Wow, just wow. You complain of Muslim violence, then make a false claim, and when shown to be wrong, you do your damnest to dodge the issue, then you come out with the following gem:

Stinicker wrote: »

800 years ago the men of Europe marched to the east and killed millions of Moslems to this day allied troops kill the moslem, we need to wake and see the blight that Islam and its radicalised followers are to this peaceful world we live.

You completely destroy your own credibitily when it comes to complaining about anyone else violence with the above, as you very clearly only have problems when certain people engage in it.

deravarra · 04-08-2010 04:39PM

Stinicker wrote: »

Just as well they weren't caught taking off womens clothes or they'd probably have gotten to do the whipping to the women instead.

Islam = A septic slurry tank of utter tripe.

Really?

I'm a muslim ...

04-08-2010 04:43PM

biko wrote: »

Unless white dresses are ok the Saudis are in big trouble.

I thought they were supposed to have beards

kylith · 04-08-2010 04:55PM

Stinicker wrote: »

You can worship a pedophile all you want but this sort of sh1t is not welcome in any normal country. 800 years ago the men of Europe marched to the east and killed millions of Moslems to this day allied troops kill the moslem, we need to wake and see the blight that Islam and its radicalised followers are to this peaceful world we live.

Hang on... you're condoning the slaughter of millions in order to make the world a more tolerant place? Contradiction much?

'Sudan sentences 19 men for wearing women's clothes'

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