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Round 12: Hungarian Grand Prix

  • 28-07-2010 7:52pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭


    Title contenders know that its now or never!

    Ferrari will look to move on from the negative reaction to last weekend’s German Grand Prix with another strong showing in Hungary. The team has progress over the last six weeks and will be keen to capitalise on a dominant performance in Germany where they were never headed.

    Felipe Massa returns to the scene of his terrifying accident of last season that not only threatened his career but also his life. The Brazilian was struck on the head from a stray spring from Rubens Barrichello’s Brawn during qualifying but last weekend he showed that he still has the ability to perform at a high level. This weekend though will be very trying as he deals with returning to the Hungaroring as well as the inevitable backlash from his team’s decision to force Massa to let Alonso through.

    Alonso though will no doubt have been buoyed by winning in Germany, his first win since the season opener in Bahrain, and returns to where he achieved his maiden victory driving for Renault in 2003. That race was remembered as being one where an unfamiliar sight took place-Michael Schumacher being lapped; this though is becoming increasingly familiar and somewhat expected at times.

    Ferrari will no doubt be confident of continuing their good form and their car has shown promise recently on low grip surfaces. Their car also has good high downforce characteristics that the team hope will allow them to allow Alonso to close the gap at the head of the title chase.

    To do so he must beat McLaren’s Lewis Hamilton, something he couldn’t do in 2007 when his relationship with his then team unravelled. During qualifying Alonso blocked the pitlane and ensured that Hamilton was unable to set another lap to challenge his teammate. The stewards all agreed that Alonso needed to be punished and he lost five grid places, this though was only a slight punishment compared to the decision of McLaren to end their dealings with Alonso at season’s end.

    Hamilton has a superb track record at Hungary with two wins and two pole positions and last year’s win was the product of an incredible turnaround in fortunes for his McLaren team as they had been struggling two seconds off the pace in the season’s early races. Jenson Button has also been victorious in Hungary. In 2006 the then Honda driver finally won his first Grand Prix. It would take until the season opener last season before he won again. This year he arrives in Hungary as the reigning world champion and Lewis Hamilton’s closest challenger.

    McLaren has won the last three Hungarian Grand Prix with Heikki Kovalainen winning in 2008. The team are confident of another strong showing but with the MP4-25 still showing some problems in high downforce configuration the team might have to rely on guile once more instead of outright pace to challenge for the win.
    Red Bull have made a habit of shooting themselves in the foot this season so it would not be surprising to see the team share a wry smile at the coverage Ferrari received this season. That the incident took place so soon after Red Bull’s own intra team situation came sharply into light at Silverstone would only have pleased them more. The team have shown an inability to execute on race days and with the season now firmly counting down to Abu Dhabi they must hope that it isn’t too late to challenge. The team will know that with races at Spa and Monza upcoming that they will be firmly on the back foot to McLaren and its fully functioning F-Duct, Red Bull has one but not on a similar level to their Woking counterparts.

    Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel will arrive in Budapest knowing that the RB6 has consistently shown itself to have the best high downforce characteristics in Formula 1 but they will also know that they need to win this weekend because their high drag car might struggle at the low downforce and high speed Belgian and Italian races. Webber finished third last year, setting the fastest lap, and the Australian will be as committed as ever but will face a tough struggle against his teammate.

    Vettel was shocked at the public reaction to the team’s decision at Silverstone to give him the new wing but his pole lap in Germany showed that he has lost none of his commitment. Finishing third at home was undoubtedly a disappointment but he showed that he has moved on from Silverstone.

    The Circuit
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    The Hungaroring is situated just outside Budapest and offers the teams a unique challenge. The dusty confines of this tight circuit require a car that changes direction and rides bumps well. The challenge for engineers is to get the car stiffly sprung to rapidly change direction but soft enough to be unsettled over the many bumps. Teams will need a high downforce configuration and the first turn is the only realistic overtaking position.
    With overtaking so difficult qualifying takes on enormous importance and with the dusty nature of the circuit drivers need to be on the racing line to have confidence off the line.
    The weather for this weekend’s race

    Clear blue skies and high temperatures await teams and drivers this weekend with 31C expected for Saturday and Sunday.

    BBC Schedule
    Friday 30 July
    Practice one: 0855-1035, BBC Red Button
    Practice two: 1255-1435, BBC Red Button
    Saturday 31 July
    Practice three: 0955-1105, BBC Red Button
    Qualifying: 1210-1430, BBC One
    Sunday 1 August
    Race: 1210-1515, BBC One


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,385 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train


    The F1 website has a rain graphic for friday, lightning for saturday and sunny for sunday

    A mixed up grid for Sunday would be nice :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    I'm just glad you said "intra team" rather than "inter team". :pac:

    Also stupid BBC haven't classic GPs up on the red button for some reason even though the site says they should be up since last night.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,891 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    The odd good race here,but its usually a precession though,can see Alonso being quite swift here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 976 ✭✭✭supremenovice


    I fancy Kubica.
    Went well at Monaco suggesting that the car is good on tight circuits.
    Ill probably back him to finish on the podium


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭lord lucan


    Gintonious wrote: »
    The odd good race here,but its usually a precession though,can see Alonso being quite swift here.

    Bring on an un-predicted downpour. It's quite sad that after the first stop for tyres in every race i'm praying for rain in order to shake up the order.:(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭frostie500


    I fancy Kubica.
    Went well at Monaco suggesting that the car is good on tight circuits.
    Ill probably back him to finish on the podium

    Kubica has a decent record at the Hungaroring as well so he'll be pretty confident. I think it was here that he made his debut in 2006 and he's generally qualified well(except last year in the Rubbish BMW!)

    I remember in 06 he finished in the points(6th maybe?) before being disquallified for being slightly underweight and in 07 and 08 he scored points both years with qualifying in the front three rows so he'll obviously be pretty confident for this weekend. Should be a decent each way bet at 40/1!

    Driver|Odds
    Fernando Alonso|15/8
    Sebastian Vettel|11/5
    Mark Webber|5/1
    Lewis Hamilton|6/1
    Felipe Massa|15/2
    Jenson Button|14/1
    Robert Kubica|40/1
    Nico Rosberg|50/1
    Michael Schumacher|66/1
    Rubens Barrichello|125/1
    Adrian Sutil|200/1
    Nico Hulkenberg|200/1
    Vitantonio Liuzzi|250/1
    Pedro de la Rosa|250/1
    Kamai Kobayashi|250/1
    Vitaly Petrov|250/1
    Jamie Alguersuari|250/1
    Heikki Kovalainen|500/1
    Jarno Trulli|500/1
    Lucas di Grasi|500/1
    Bruno senna|500/1
    Sakon Yamamoto|500/1
    Timo Glock|500/1
    Sebastian Buemi|500/1


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,522 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    Slightly unrelated. Can you get that BBC race tracker on the website in Ireland? Couldn't seem to get it for last race, few comment on the FAQ about Irish availability but no answers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 706 ✭✭✭BoardsRanger


    Slightly unrelated. Can you get that BBC race tracker on the website in Ireland? Couldn't seem to get it for last race, few comment on the FAQ about Irish availability but no answers.


    You can- but you need to have a proxy server to make bbc think you are residing in GB.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭Sparks43


    You can- but you need to have a proxy server to make bbc think you are residing in GB.


    bit more detail if you can please

    would this allow me to watch the f1forum as well

    how do i use a proxy server and is it safe for my computer

    thanks in advance


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 706 ✭✭✭BoardsRanger


    Yes it will allow you to view the iplayer and f1 forum aswell. Right- so i use firefox as my browser. So all you need to do is download a simple free programme called "Foxyproxy". After that- you need to find a proxy list for the uk- here is where i get mine http://nntime.com/proxy-country/United-Kingdom-01.htm

    Then you take any of those proxies and put them into foxyproxy. Some numbers will work and some wont- you have to try till you get one working. Ok so it sounds alittle bit complicated but i can watch so much more on the bbc f1 website and it only took me 5 min to set up.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭Sparks43


    good man got it sorted


    thanks for the help very much appreciated


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Don't want to drag up a whole other topic, but just watching last year's GP I noticed how at the start of lap 2 Button bombed past Nakajima, ya know how he's a slow and steady race and all? Once he gets a half chance to pass someone he does it.

    Also just noticing how emotive Brundle can be, first couple of times watching the replays he says how aggressive Raikkonen was, then later he points out the Raikkonen was just avoiding someone. Jesus Hungary is such a lottery. :pac: Hope they have last week's IRL officials looking over the first turn of the race. :P

    EDIT: Also love how in one of the old GPs when Brundle and Schumacher were teammates and Schumi was ahead of him and ran wide, so Brundle tried to overtake him and Schumi basically ran him off the road. Now I don't like that, whether it was Schumi, Kimi or Hamilton, but I have a feeling that if it had been Senna that Brundle would be singing the praises of what a great move it was. :pac:

    EDIT 2: I get the impression that Brundle doesn't particularly like Raikkonen. Sorry if people who keep up with the blogs etc. know that as a fact already. :pac:

    EDIT 3 :pac: : I wanna see the 1997 race again on BBC, probably the most sickened I've ever been other than the 2008 Brazilian GP. :P

    EDIT 4: I'm tempted to merge all these, doubt anybody read them before this edit anyway. :pac: Just have to say, the Hungaroring looks like an excellent track/facility. Everything looks perfectly planned despite its age and twistiness, and it still has plenty of slopes and that lovely dive down to turn one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,385 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train


    I miss refueling :(

    Practice starting, looks sunny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,385 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train


    Redbull look miles ahead


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,565 ✭✭✭losthorizon


    I miss refueling :(

    Practice starting, looks sunny


    I think no refueling has contributed to better races. Hungary is the last of the crap tracks for this season thankfully. Renault look good around here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    LIGHTNING wrote: »
    Its only free practice, Mclaren always sandbag in practice. They are most likely running heavy.

    True, though I'm worried about just how much faster Red Bull are than everyone so far this weekend. Wonder how they'll manage to screw it up. :pac:

    Finding the whole flexible wing pretty interesting, looks lo me like Red Bull have found a way to pass the tests while still getting around the rule, maybe somehow they've managed to get the wing to flex when resistance is applied from in front of it but it stays rigid when a direct downward force is applied.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    LIGHTNING wrote: »
    I find it funny that the main team giving out are McLaren, a team who found a loop hole and put the F-duct on their car giving them a huge advantage over the rest of the grid at the start of the season.

    Oh aye, but I doubt they're letting it get to them too much. Can't blame them either though, if they can complain they will, as will the rest of the teams.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,522 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    No Chandok again, though nothing mentioned by the bbc guys this week...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    No Chandok again, though nothing mentioned by the bbc guys this week...

    He was on five live/red button coverage again this week.


    The mid-pack looks like it'll be very close this week.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    How great would it be if Vettel got a penalty for holding up Trulli? :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,522 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    Williams looking good too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭lord lucan


    That was one of the scruffiest laps i've ever seen Schumacher put together. That Merc looks awful!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Has to be a penalty for Senna/Yamamoto for that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,385 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train


    Wonder where De La Rosa found that time


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Wonder where De La Rosa found that time

    Kobayashi was on the harder tyres the whole way through Q1, so I'd imagine DLR was as well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Though now I hear he's out of soft tyres so maybe not. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭lord lucan


    Go Vettels finger!:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,823 ✭✭✭EvilMonkey


    lord lucan wrote: »
    Go Vettels finger!:pac:
    vettel_finger_wideweb__470x3230.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,390 ✭✭✭IM0


    Yes it will allow you to view the iplayer and f1 forum aswell. Right- so i use firefox as my browser. So all you need to do is download a simple free programme called "Foxyproxy".

    tried that one foxyproxy on the mozilla add-on site and it lookks like its been removed :(, no download bar for it, but other apps are there with the normal greeny download bar :(, anyone else seeing the same?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,684 ✭✭✭Charlie-Bravo


    So, teams now looking for clarification on the 'flexible-supposed to be rigid' front wings! Whitmarsh and Brawn putting it to Charlie Whiting before spending lots of dough on development...it's funny how they moan, just because they didn't think to be innovative with these rigid bodywork regulation before anyone else!

    -. . ...- . .-. / --. --- -. -. .- / --. .. ...- . / -.-- --- ..- / ..- .--.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭lord lucan


    astrofluff wrote: »
    So, teams now looking for clarification on the 'flexible-supposed to be rigid' front wings! Whitmarsh and Brawn putting it to Charlie Whiting before spending lots of dough on development...it's funny how they moan, just because they didn't think to be innovative with these rigid bodywork regulation before anyone else!

    And given they both have introduced new features to cars over the last couple of years(Brawn with the Diffuser and McLaren with the F-duct) that had the opposition scratching their heads and struggling to replicate,you'd think they'd think first before running to the media whining about what they think Ferrari & RB have on their car.

    The FIA have ruled them legal,end of story in my book.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,684 ✭✭✭Charlie-Bravo


    agree with you on the legality, book closed comment, But at the start of the season everyone looks at the new F-duct gismo on the McLaren, tries and copy it, but don't exactly perfect it quick enough to claw back tenths. thats money spent on ongoing development. And then when someone else has something different and benefical, like Red Bull half way through the year, the big teams panic big time.

    It's the whole show F1 presents us!

    -. . ...- . .-. / --. --- -. -. .- / --. .. ...- . / -.-- --- ..- / ..- .--.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    astrofluff wrote: »
    So, teams now looking for clarification on the 'flexible-supposed to be rigid' front wings! Whitmarsh and Brawn putting it to Charlie Whiting before while spending lots of dough on development...it's funny how they moan, just because they didn't think to be innovative with these rigid bodywork regulation before anyone else!
    :pac:
    astrofluff wrote: »
    agree with you on the legality, book closed comment, But at the start of the season everyone looks at the new F-duct gismo on the McLaren, tries and copy it, but don't exactly perfect it quick enough to claw back tenths. thats money spent on ongoing development. And then when someone else has something different and benefical, like Red Bull half way through the year, the big teams panic big time.

    It's the whole show F1 presents us!
    Aye but RB were the same last year with the double diffuser. I can't blame the teams tbh, it looks to me like RB have found a way to pass scrutineering while circumventing the printed rules. Since, like soccer, video evidence isn't allowed, who can blame them? :pac:


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 114 ✭✭UglyFuc


    Slightly unrelated. Can you get that BBC race tracker on the website in Ireland? Couldn't seem to get it for last race, few comment on the FAQ about Irish availability but no answers.

    anyone got a link to this race tracker? i have the"foxyproxy" thing set up but i cant seem to find the page?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,522 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    UglyFuc wrote: »
    anyone got a link to this race tracker? i have the"foxyproxy" thing set up but i cant seem to find the page?

    click the video link, the cycling photos at the top seemingly, I'm not too sure

    this
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8874946.stm

    I think but not active unntil race start


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,522 ✭✭✭dor83


    Renault need to be penalised for that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,522 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    what a mess!!

    Redbull dodgy pit entry too!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,522 ✭✭✭dor83


    Yeah, Vettel could have done some damage to his car, the safety car made for a bit of excitement.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Just watching since the end of the safety car, Webber seems to have a good bit of time in hand, if the tyre last we could yet see a Webber win, assuming no-one else will need to stop before the end.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Should be a penalty coming up for Vettel. ^_^ I expect to see his laptimes pick up now. :pac:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Vettel back out behind Alonso, be surprised if that's not how it finishes as those soft tyres look like they can last til the last lap if needs be for Webber.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 114 ✭✭UglyFuc


    Yes it will allow you to view the iplayer and f1 forum aswell. Right- so i use firefox as my browser. So all you need to do is download a simple free programme called "Foxyproxy". After that- you need to find a proxy list for the uk- here is where i get mine http://nntime.com/proxy-country/United-Kingdom-01.htm

    Then you take any of those proxies and put them into foxyproxy. Some numbers will work and some wont- you have to try till you get one working. Ok so it sounds alittle bit complicated but i can watch so much more on the bbc f1 website and it only took me 5 min to set up.


    which proxy works? i can get videos but no race tracker. "this content dosnt seem to be working. try again later"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,390 ✭✭✭IM0


    wouldnt be surprised if Vettel gets another penalty for that one :eek:
    two hands off the steering wheel going down the pit lane making a point....he's a silly boy :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    me@ucd wrote: »
    wouldnt be surprised if Vettel gets another penalty for that one :eek:
    two hands off the steering wheel going down the pit lane making a point....he's a silly boy :rolleyes:

    Was thinking that myself, only problem is he easily has enough pace to still come second, it's embarrassing. :pac:

    EDIT: Still come third, not second. :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,731 ✭✭✭FrostyJack


    What was the penalty for, I have to watch it on a foreign language link that keeps dropping and BBC wedsite is being cryptic. Was it for backing up the field during safety car?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    FrostyJack wrote: »
    What was the penalty for, I have to watch it on a foreign language link that keeps dropping and BBC wedsite is being cryptic. Was it for backing up the field during safety car?

    Yup. They showed a replay of some of it and it wasn't even the bit just before the SC came in, so it seems he was fairly dicking about.

    Heh, Horner clapping Webber there, I'm sure he's delighted. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,731 ✭✭✭FrostyJack


    Damn couldn't see any of that. Was it Hamilton that used to hold up every restart a few seasons ago and got away with it (actually he was in position 1 so it is a different situation, I take it back). Was there team orders again? He's all over Alonso, hope he gets passed. Hamilton out, championship up in the air again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    FrostyJack wrote: »
    Damn couldn't see any of that. Was it Hamilton that used to hold up every restart a few seasons ago and got away with it (actually he was in position 1 so it is a different situation, I take it back). Was there team orders again? He's all over Alonso, hope he gets passed. Hamilton out, championship up in the air again.
    As it stands, assuming Barrichello pits:

    Web 161
    Ham 157
    Vet 151
    But 148
    Alo 141

    Yeah it was like what Hamilton did, but like you said it's ok when in the lead. :pac:

    Wish Barrichello would pit, it's not like staying out makes any difference. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,731 ✭✭✭FrostyJack


    Looking at the standings (if they stay the same) shows Ferrari were right last week and with Vettel right up behind Alonso for so long, the "why doesn't he just over take him on the track" crowd look silly :P

    Lap 60: It a Red Bull procession but not quite how we imagined it. Mark Webber LAPS SCHUMACHER - my what a great feeling that must be, like nutmegging Maradona or hitting six sixes off Warney

    From the BBC website. Why do they always make a big deal about lapping a former champion every year. If he lapped him in an equal or even similar paced car then yes. It's more like overtaking someone in focus while you drive a Viper, not rewarding at all no matter who is driving it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,522 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    ****in hell Schumacher, that was so close!!


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