Evolution Theory.

Yakult · 28-07-2010 12:56AM #1

Watched a programme and they said that Darwins Theory of Evolution has been proven. Which dsiproves a "god". Right?

So what does ths mean for religion? Did you know it was proven before now? And will it have any effect on how you view religion right now? I know science isnt always the answer but at the same time they prove some stuff that would make you think. probably letting out loads of helpfull document etc but falling asleep.

Im beginning to think even if it it proved, it wont make a difference because churchs have brainwashed people into their religion.

Ush1 · 28-07-2010 12:58AM

R_H_C_P wrote: »

Watched a programme and they said that Darwins Evolution of theory has been proven. Which dsiproves a "god". Right?

So what does ths mean for religion? Did you know it was proven before now? And will it have any effect on how you view religion right now? I know science isnt always the answer but at the same time they prove some stuff that would make you think. probably letting out loads of helpfull document etc but falling asleep.

Im beginning to think even if it it proved, it wont make a difference because churchs have brainwashed people into their religion.

No, you technically can't do that, however God is extremely unlikely.

funk-you · 28-07-2010 12:59AM

I'm not a believer but it doesn't disprove God. It just disproves the bibles telling of how life was created.

-Funk

genericguy · 28-07-2010 01:00AM

fcuk this, i'm not getting involved in one of these again. this week.

btw there's no god, and you're related to king kong.

srfc19 · 28-07-2010 01:02AM

A belief in God requires a total disbelief in science anyways so this hasn't proven anything.
I was having an argument with a practicing Catholic girl I know and when i mentioned evolution to prove my point she said "F**k Evolution". This is basically the view of the church and it baffles me.

amacachi · 28-07-2010 01:02AM

Evolution is just a theory, it's not a fact, just like gravity.

squod · 28-07-2010 01:04AM

R_H_C_P wrote: »

Watched a programme and they said that Darwins Evolution of theory has been proven.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Yakult · 28-07-2010 01:05AM

amacachi wrote: »

Evolution is just a theory, it's not a fact, just like gravity.

So what does that mean for Religious views on god/bible.

The stories in the bible cannot be for real. How come nothing like these "events" happen today?

Religion - theory imo

squod wrote: »

Couldn't have said it better myself.

typo fixed

Senna · 28-07-2010 01:05AM

People haven't lost faith after so much abuse by the church, the theory of Evolution doesn't stand much chance of converting people.

Orion · 28-07-2010 01:06AM

amacachi wrote: »

Evolution is just a theory, it's not a fact, just like gravity.

And gravy.

Profiler · 28-07-2010 01:07AM

Being the dedicated Pastafarian I'm pure offended.

You think those Scientologists were litigious.... well buddy you ain't seen nothing yet guy :mad:

Now please post you name, date of birth, postal address and nominate solicitors so I can start legal proceedings... you are SO sued friend :mad:

Einhard · 28-07-2010 01:07AM

srfc19 wrote: »

A belief in God requires a total disbelief in science anyways so this hasn't proven anything.
I was having an argument with a practicing Catholic girl I know and when i mentioned evolution to prove my point she said "F**k Evolution". This is basically the view of the church and it baffles me.

Well then it seems both you and your Catholic friend are ignorant of the Church's teaching on evolution. The Catholic Church does not believe evolution to be incompatible with the Christian faith.

Mrmoe · 28-07-2010 01:08AM

srfc19 wrote: »

A belief in God requires a total disbelief in science anyways so this hasn't proven anything.
I was having an argument with a practicing Catholic girl I know and when i mentioned evolution to prove my point she said "F**k Evolution". This is basically the view of the church and it baffles me.

I think that is a bit harsh. Generally it is the view of the small vocal minority. I think a lot of educated people within the catholic church see that science and religion are compatable. It is only the nutjobs that get the press and who will shout the loudest.

Yakult · 28-07-2010 01:08AM

Senna wrote: »

People haven't lost faith after so much abuse by the church, the theory of Evolution doesn't stand much chance of converting people.

Thats what I dont get, you could prove it to them and be it real they still wouldnt bother taking a look at it. Which is fine, people can believe what they want.

Ush1 · 28-07-2010 01:11AM

amacachi wrote: »

Evolution is just a theory, it's not a fact, just like gravity.

Actually it is a fact, a scientific empirical fact.

Just please don't tell me you're jumping on the "It's the theory of Evolution" thing.

sligopark · 28-07-2010 01:12AM

science = belief type = religion

so many scientific theories rely upon the faith on unproved theory

and many of us whether we like to believe it or not rely upon past experience and selected knowledge uptake to base our confirmations of how life works

for me the theory of evolution lacks the hypotheses discussion of the sudden jump in consciousness and the ethical moral decision making missing in animals as well as the dismissal of discussion the presence of life force / spirit that many believe is inherent or innate in each of us

perhaps not so much as f*ck evolution but its not as simple as the recognition of similar parts from the past

amacachi · 28-07-2010 01:17AM

Ush1 wrote: »

Actually it is a fact, a scientific empirical fact.

Just please don't tell me you're jumping on the "It's the theory of Evolution" thing.

No, I was hoping people's sarcasm detectors would be working.

YFlyer · 28-07-2010 01:17AM

sligopark wrote: »

science = belief type = religion

so many scientific theories rely upon the faith on unproved theory

and many of us whether we like to believe it or not rely upon past experience and selected knowledge uptake to base our confirmations of how life works

for me the theory of evolution lacks the hypotheses discussion of the sudden jump in consciousness and the ethical moral decision making missing in animals as well as the dismissal of discussion the presence of life force / spirit that many believe is inherent or innate in each of us

perhaps not so much as f*ck evolution but its not as simple as the recognition of similar parts from the past

Perhaps the human central nervous system has become so complex that it is able to express higher levels of consciousness.

doctorwu · 28-07-2010 01:18AM

People need religion like a child needs a comfort blanket. They cant accept that this is it. Then they coalesse into tribes {Prods,Caths,Muslims,}etc. Then my tribe are better than your tribe. If you dont accept that i reserve the right to, crucify you ,stone you to death,explode a massive load of explosives in your market, then im off to meet Allah and all those clean virgins.

Ush1 · 28-07-2010 01:20AM

sligopark wrote: »

science = belief type = religion

so many scientific theories rely upon the faith on unproved theory

and many of us whether we like to believe it or not rely upon past experience and selected knowledge uptake to base our confirmations of how life works

for me the theory of evolution lacks the hypotheses discussion of the sudden jump in consciousness and the ethical moral decision making missing in animals as well as the dismissal of discussion the presence of life force / spirit that many believe is inherent or innate in each of us

perhaps not so much as f*ck evolution but its not as simple as the recognition of similar parts from the past

Which theories exactly? Scientific theories rely on evidence, not faith.

Yakult · 28-07-2010 01:21AM

doctorwu wrote: »

then im off to meet Allah and all those clean virgins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRlTqnB6HAo

have fun dude

Einhard · 28-07-2010 01:23AM

doctorwu wrote: »

People need religion like a child needs a comfort blanket. They cant accept that this is it. Then they coalesse into tribes {Prods,Caths,Muslims,}etc. Then my tribe are better than your tribe. If you dont accept that i reserve the right to, crucify you ,stone you to death,explode a massive load of explosives in your market, then im off to meet Allah and all those clean virgins.

A small minority in religious people act like that. A small minority of atheists are insufferably smug, superior assholes who believe that "tolerating" the views of others is to mock them relentlessly, and treat the holders with contempt and disdain. Speaking as an atheist, I don't think either group should be tarred by the actions of the minority.

srfc19 · 28-07-2010 01:24AM

I thought a belief in a God who 'created heaven and earth' was essential for the Catholic faith.
If we are to believe that humans are the only beings which could or would worship a God, why would said God not create these first rather then let them evolve?
There is a lot of blind faith required and i just cannot understand it personally.

andrew · 28-07-2010 01:29AM

If someone has reached a mature age and still doesn't accept evolution, there's no use in trying to get them to do so. First there's the fact that you can't effectively use reason to get people out of a mindset they didn't use reason to get in to in the first place. Secondly, it's pretty clear that evolution is true. So if someone still rejects it beyond their teenage years, in spite of the mountains of evidence to the contrary, in spite of the knowledge that pretty much everyone else accepts evolution, then they'll probably never accept it. I was talking to a group of religious evangelical nutters recently (they were going around evangelizing), and was going to bring it up but in the end didn't bother. There's no point in arguing with people like that.

Einhard · 28-07-2010 01:30AM

sligopark wrote: »

for me the theory of evolution lacks the hypotheses discussion of the sudden jump in consciousness and the ethical moral decision making missing in animals as well as the dismissal of discussion the presence of life force / spirit that many believe is inherent or innate in each of us

I'm sorry, but that makes no sense.

andrew · 28-07-2010 01:31AM

srfc19 wrote: »

I thought a belief in a God who 'created heaven and earth' was essential for the Catholic faith.
If we are to believe that humans are the only beings which could or would worship a God, why would said God not create these first rather then let them evolve?
There is a lot of blind faith required and i just cannot understand it personally.

Regarding Catholics and Evolution, From Wikipedia:

Since the publication of Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species in 1859, the attitude of the Catholic Church on the theory of evolution has slowly been refined. For about 100 years, there was no authoritative pronouncement on the subject. By 1950, Pope Pius XII agreed to the academic freedom to study the scientific implications of evolution, so long as Catholic dogma is not violated[1]; since the late 20th century, its attitude has been one of great tolerance.
Today, the Church's unofficial position is a fairly non-specific example of theistic evolution, stating that faith and scientific findings regarding human evolution are not in conflict, though humans are regarded as a special creation, and that the existence of God is required to explain both monogenism and the spiritual component of human origins. No infallible declarations by the Pope or an Ecumenical Council have been made.

rossie1977 · 28-07-2010 01:36AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKdck1OOM0

I_AmThe_Walrus · 28-07-2010 01:37AM

Let's cut the childish behaviour with talk about God and speak about the real possibilities....

Natural Selection or Intelligent Design?

Natural Selection is the only viable way we have come about. Evolution proves there is, without question and with conclusive lack of support, no possibility of Intelligent Design.

However, the faith in a God or superhuman entity allows mankind to sleep better at night within the sheer horror and evilness of our species, how we act to each other, perceive each other and treat each other.

Doc · 28-07-2010 01:38AM

genericguy wrote: »

btw there's no god, and you're related to king kong.

Only by marriage.

Oh amd evolution doesn’t exclude the possibility of a God. Many believe that god initiated the big bang and helped shape the development of sentient beings.

partyatmygaff · 28-07-2010 01:38AM

srfc19 wrote: »

I thought a belief in a God who 'created heaven and earth' was essential for the Catholic faith.
If we are to believe that humans are the only beings which could or would worship a God, why would said God not create these first rather then let them evolve?
There is a lot of blind faith required and i just cannot understand it personally.

How can some people STILL believe that Science and Religion cannot be independent of each other. They are two very different things. A religious person can be highly scientific. Religion does not attempt to explain the intricate methods and processes of life and our world. It explains the reasoning behind it and the moral teachings of it. Science by it's very nature is the study of existence by observation. You observe the world and learn about it. This does not disprove God, in fact it has no bearing whatsoever on the existence of God.

There is no hard evidence for macro evolution, micro evolution is proven and is a constant that cannot be debated. In any case, it does not have to be *poof* God creates people out of thin air for God to have created. An existence was created and that existence was allowed to develop itself in to what we see that. From the very outset of our universe to present time the world is constantly in development. All of this could not have been feasible had it not been for the force that brought about chaos and nothingness into order and existence.

Seriously, it's not difficult to comprehend. Believing in Religion does not make you unscientific, being scientific does not make you non-religious either.

laugh · 28-07-2010 01:38AM

The god squad have changed what they believed over time to fit in with the world, the problem for them now is that the world changes too quickly and the flow of ideas and information isn't through them.

Evolution Theory.

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