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Ground Zero Mosque

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  • #92
    Memnoch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,276 ✭✭✭Memnoch


    chompy wrote: »
    Classic :rolleyes:

    What do you hope to achieve from such an angry rant?

    Not angry at all, just thoroughly amused. Irony does that to me. I'm a big fan of it.

    As for what I hope to achieve? I don't know, the fragile hope that perhaps if you point out the paradox of their position to some people, they might actually reconsider their stance? Unlikely though that is.


  • #93
    Podman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 887 ✭✭✭Podman


    Memnoch wrote: »
    Manipulating the image of the Statue of liberty - a symbol of tolerance and acceptance - to generalise an entire populace and faith as extreme and thus worthy of marginalisation and segregation thus eschewing the very principles of liberty. One has to wonder at the intellectual environment that gives rise to such fertile irony.
    Memnoch wrote: »
    Not angry at all, just thoroughly amused. Irony does that to me. I'm a big fan of it.

    As for what I hope to achieve? I don't know, the fragile hope that perhaps if you point out the paradox of their position to some people, they might actually reconsider their stance? Unlikely though that is.

    Is this a well-hidden compliment?


  • #94
    Memnoch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,276 ✭✭✭Memnoch


    chompy wrote: »
    Is this a well-hidden compliment?

    In the most ironical sense.


  • #95
    Podman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 887 ✭✭✭Podman


    Memnoch wrote: »
    In the most ironical sense.
    Can you explain that in a more straightforward sense?


  • #96
    Overheal
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    chompy wrote: »
    Can you explain that in a more straightforward sense?
    Irony - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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  • #97
    Podman
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Irony - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    I am capable of looking up "irony" on wikipedia, thank you.

    I was asking Memnoch what he means, in context.


  • #98
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭jank


    chompy wrote: »
    I am capable of looking up "irony" on wikipedia, thank you.

    I was asking Memnoch what he means, in context.

    Read his post again with the word irony in your mind and the penny might drop.


  • #99
    metrovelvet
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    They must have an awful lot of money to build a mosque that size on prime real estate.

    Given the size of the Jewish population in NYC, I am very surprised by this proposal.

    I do not think this will bring peace to New Yorkers, but the opposite, resentment and hurt.


  • #100
    JohnMc1
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    metrovelvet wrote: »
    I do not think this will bring peace to New Yorkers, but the opposite, resentment and hurt.

    Agreed. They [and whoever gave approval for them to build it] should have known this would cause a reaction. Though I wouldn't be surprised if they planned just to play the victim card when the protest inevitably started.


  • #101
    Podman
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    jank wrote: »
    Read his post again with the word irony in your mind and the penny might drop.

    You're missing the point aswel. It's turning into quite a theme these days. In the future I won't be engaging in any more of this tripe, like replying to posts that have no relevance.

    I want Memnoch to come straight out and say what he means. I would be surprised if he even knows himself, he does so much double-talk.

    With no forthcoming explanation, I have either to conclude that..
    a. He has no idea what he is talking about, or
    b. He's not honest enough to say clearly what's on his mind, but hides behind pedantic monologues instead.

    He has every opportunity to be up-front, but instead he displays a level of word-weaving verbal diarrhea I have not seen since the last electoral debate.


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  • #102
    Podman
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    donegalfella wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    To gain public support for an endless (expensive) war.

    Public support for the war is compulsory, unless your a terrorist sympathizer. In which case you can be detained in Guantanamo Bay indefinitely and without trial.

    Americans are dissuaded from speaking their mind in the open, unless they support the government and military.

    I believe this Mosque argument and other arguments like it, support the divide between people, and distract from the primary political agenda.


  • #103
    Memnoch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,276 ✭✭✭Memnoch


    Here is what I said:
    Manipulating the image of the Statue of liberty - a symbol of tolerance and acceptance - to generalise an entire populace and faith as extreme and thus worthy of marginalisation and segregation thus eschewing the very principles of liberty. One has to wonder at the intellectual environment that gives rise to such fertile irony.

    I believe it's clear enough what that means. If you can't figure it out then... well... I'm not your high school teacher.


  • #104
    Permabear
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    This post has been deleted.


  • #105
    Podman
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    Memnoch wrote: »
    ...I believe it's clear enough what that means...

    Missed the point again, I'm done asking you.


  • #106
    Denerick
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,485 ✭✭✭Denerick


    chompy wrote: »
    You're missing the point aswel. It's turning into quite a theme these days. In the future I won't be engaging in any more of this tripe, like replying to posts that have no relevance.

    I want Memnoch to come straight out and say what he means. I would be surprised if he even knows himself, he does so much double-talk.

    With no forthcoming explanation, I have either to conclude that..
    a. He has no idea what he is talking about, or
    b. He's not honest enough to say clearly what's on his mind, but hides behind pedantic monologues instead.

    He has every opportunity to be up-front, but instead he displays a level of word-weaving verbal diarrhea I have not seen since the last electoral debate.

    Please put your spade away. Its embarassing. Let your bigoted comrades dig your grave for you. They're ten a penny in America these days.


  • #107
    Podman
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    donegalfella wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Your right, there have been countless protests, it shows the amount of public "protest" over war and other government decisions.

    Governments hate protesters, that's why they are treated like dogs, corralled, beaten and given the water cannon as standard.

    Here's a few examples to start with...
    PSNI attempt intimidation of peaceful Raytheon vigil, children videotaped
    Death to traitors
    Student Demands and University Failures at University of California at Berkeley and Southern Illinois University at Carbondale

    And let's not forget the massacre in Tiananmen square, when the students are unhappy - send in the army.


  • #108
    Denerick
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,485 ✭✭✭Denerick


    Chompy, why are you thanking me? Not only do you have no capacity to understand irony you also have no ability to understand a direct insult.


  • #109
    Black Swan
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    Overheal wrote: »
    greetings johnmc1, im sure youve successfully avoided this forum long enough for me to forget all the hard questions you've evaded in the last month or two.
    JohnMc1 wrote: »
    Regardless of where you stand politically, religiously or anything else. Its in very poor taste to build a mosque so close to Ground Zero the symbol of Muslim extremism. Surely there is plenty of other spots in NYC to build one.
    Blue_Lagoon wrote: »
    The proposed mosque is 2 blocks from ground zero. Can you number precisely how many blocks away from ground zero would not be in "poor taste?" 3 blocks? 4 blocks? 5 blocks? 6 blocks? 7 blocks? Or how many blocks? Number?

    How many blocks away from ground zero would not be in "poor taste?"


  • #110
    JohnMc1
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    There are 5 boroughs in NY. Surely there is plenty of to have one. I'm not going to say an exact number because I know you and the others will cry and complain no matter how many blocks I say.


  • #111
    metrovelvet
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    The only advantage I can see to having one close to ground zero or anywhere in the financial district, is that it may provide an immunity against another attack, in that terrorists wont want to bring down one of their own symbols or have it destroyed in the aftershock.


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  • #112
    Permabear
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    This post has been deleted.


  • #113
    Black Swan
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    JohnMc1 wrote: »
    There are 5 boroughs in NY. Surely there is plenty of to have one. I'm not going to say an exact number because I know you and the others will cry and complain no matter how many blocks I say.

    How about this measure suggested by donegalfella?
    donegalfella wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.
    How many meters as the crow flies would be tasteful?


  • #114
    JohnMc1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭JohnMc1


    Blue_Lagoon wrote: »
    How about this measure suggested by donegalfella?

    How many meters as the crow flies would be tasteful?

    No matter how I say either in blocks, feet, inches and on the down the metric system you and others will bitch regardless.

    Hell I go on here and say in 2012 I'm voting for Obama and you would look for an excuse to get bent out of shape.


  • #115
    springwell7616
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    fontanalis wrote: »
    Calling it the ground zero mosque is implying building on the site, how far would be ok for them?

    How about Saudi Arabia or Pakistan !!


  • #116
    Permabear
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  • #117
    Black Swan
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    JohnMc1 wrote: »
    Regardless of where you stand politically, religiously or anything else. Its in very poor taste to build a mosque so close to Ground Zero the symbol of Muslim extremism. Surely there is plenty of other spots in NYC to build one.
    Is it OK to build a Christian church or Jewish synagogue near ground zero, especially since both those religious denominations had 9/11 victims? And what about these other victims of 9/11 who died, but were not Christians or Jews? Should they have a place of worship near ground zero too?
    Blue_Lagoon wrote: »
    Do these victims count? Should we only be sensitive to the feelings of Christians, Jews, etc., but not Muslims (of Islamic religion)?
    Partial List of Muslim 9/11 Victims:

    Samad Afridi
    Ashraf Ahmad
    Shabbir Ahmad (45 years old; Windows on the World; leaves wife and 3 children)
    Umar Ahmad
    Azam Ahsan
    Ahmed Ali
    Tariq Amanullah (40 years old; Fiduciary Trust Co.; ICNA website team member; leaves wife and 2 children)
    Touri Bolourchi (69 years old; United Airlines #175; a retired nurse from Tehran)
    Salauddin Ahmad Chaudhury
    Abdul K. Chowdhury (30 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
    Mohammad S. Chowdhury (39 years old; Windows on the World; leaves wife and child born 2 days after the attack)
    Jamal Legesse Desantis
    Ramzi Attallah Douani (35 years old; Marsh & McLennan)
    SaleemUllah Farooqi
    Syed Fatha (54 years old; Pitney Bowes)
    Osman Gani
    Mohammad Hamdani (50 years old)
    Salman Hamdani (NYPD Cadet)
    Aisha Harris (21 years old; General Telecom)
    Shakila Hoque (Marsh & McLennan)
    Nabid Hossain
    Shahzad Hussain
    Talat Hussain
    Mohammad Shah Jahan (Marsh & McLennan)
    Yasmeen Jamal
    Mohammed Jawarta (MAS security)
    Arslan Khan Khakwani
    Asim Khan
    Ataullah Khan
    Ayub Khan
    Qasim Ali Khan
    Sarah Khan (32 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
    Taimour Khan (29 years old; Karr Futures)
    Yasmeen Khan
    Zahida Khan
    Badruddin Lakhani
    Omar Malick
    Nurul Hoque Miah (36 years old)
    Mubarak Mohammad (23 years old)
    Boyie Mohammed (Carr Futures)
    Raza Mujtaba
    Omar Namoos
    Mujeb Qazi
    Tarranum Rahim
    Ehtesham U. Raja (28 years old)
    Ameenia Rasool (33 years old)
    Naveed Rehman
    Yusuf Saad
    Rahma Salie & unborn child (28 years old; American Airlines #11; wife of Michael Theodoridis; 7 months pregnant)
    Shoman Samad
    Asad Samir
    Khalid Shahid (25 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald; engaged to be married in November)
    Mohammed Shajahan (44 years old; Marsh & McLennan)
    Naseema Simjee (Franklin Resources Inc.'s Fiduciary Trust)
    Jamil Swaati
    Sanober Syed
    Robert Elias Talhami (40 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
    Michael Theodoridis (32 years old; American Airlines #11; husband of Rahma Salie)
    W. Wahid

    Source: http://islam.about.com/blvictims.htm


  • #118
    JohnMc1
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    Blue_Lagoon wrote: »
    Is it OK to build a Christian church or Jewish synagogue near ground zero, especially since both those religious denominations had 9/11 victims? And what about these other victims of 9/11 who died, but were not Christians or Jews? Should they have a place of worship near ground zero too?

    Last I checked it wasn't Christian and Jewish terrorists who flew airplanes into the WTC, the Pentagon and one for Capital Hill that was avoided. Its was Muslim Terrorists.


  • #119
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  • #120
    Podman
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    Blue_Lagoon wrote: »
    Is it OK to build a Christian church or Jewish synagogue near ground zero, especially since both those religious denominations had 9/11 victims? And what about these other victims of 9/11 who died, but were not Christians or Jews? Should they have a place of worship near ground zero too?

    What about a tribute building? A memorial to the dead and those who are still dying from 911, which contains a non-denominational area of peace, where people can go to pray or grieve or whatever.

    The proposed Mosque is as an overflow for a nearby existing one, and as far as I know the existing building is already being used for worship.

    Primarily, people should be more tolerant of each other's beliefs, but also balance that with a sensitivity for each other's grief.


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