Love Parade cancelled forever?

Biggins · 25-07-2010 04:57PM

Slunk wrote: »

If im not mistaken, that was the designated way to get to the event. It wasnt a shortcut.

Second paragraph of the times article if you bothered to read it

For those on their mobiles, the second paragraph:

Mass panic broke out as thousands of revellers packed into a narrow tunnel, which was the only designated entrance to the free techno festival, being held in a former freight railway station in the city of Duisburg, western Germany.

Dick Turnip · 25-07-2010 04:58PM

Elevator wrote: »

they took a shortcut and in hindsight just cos everyone else was doing it didn't make it right

with numbers of 1 million or more people at the party it's not a huge number to have died even in a tragic circumstance

not like hillsborough or the fire that blazed thru that club in Dublin

also why should the organisers be jailed or be forced to call it a day, nobody forced these people to attend and it falls on themselves to be safe and stick to designated areas when doing so

what are you on about?? what shortcut? they were killed because an event for over 1million people only had one entrance - through the tunnel which was the official entrance.

a similar public safety offence to the police packing the liverpool fans into that one pen at hillsborough or blocked fire exits at stardust.

Slunk · 25-07-2010 04:59PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Bunch of idiots ,obviously out of it, caused the chaos.

Should never be heard of again.

Just an excuse for spongers and wasters to run wild.

Similar to Oxegen, Electric Picnic etc :rolleyes:

Nobody was running wild. Ive attended this and many other festivals is Germany and have witnessed no toruble whatsoever.

Dancor · 25-07-2010 05:02PM

Slunk wrote: »

Similar to Oxegen, Electric Picnic etc :rolleyes:

Nobody was running wild. Ive attended this and many other festivals is Germany and have witnessed no toruble whatsoever.

Not free events.

Slunk · 25-07-2010 05:05PM

Whats it been free got to do with anything? Do you think scumbags cant get 200 quid to go to oxegen and run wild and cause trouble? They'll just sell some extra drugs to get the ticket money. This event is ten times better than any crap put on in Ireland

Biggins · 25-07-2010 05:11PM

Not taking sides, just a point of order:

Organisers of any function be it free or charged, have a legal "duty of care" towards anyone attending.
That includes provided adequate entrance and exit abilities, ensuring that they are adequate for those possibly attending and also having in preparedness, contingency plans if the numbers attending, increase or decrease.

End of point of order.
I'm outta here!

FlutterinBantam · 25-07-2010 05:11PM

Seems to have attracted a fair share of freeloaders who just want any excuse to run wild.

You always get them.

Then blame everyone else.

Shoelaces · 25-07-2010 05:13PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Seems to have attracted a fair share of freeloaders who just want any excuse to run wild.

You always get them.

Then blame everyone else.

You have no clue what your talking about.

FlutterinBantam · 25-07-2010 05:17PM

Yes I have, been there ,saw what happens, formed an opinion.

Stop trying to paper over cracks buddy.

Slunk · 25-07-2010 05:19PM

Were in any of the news reports is there a mention of people running wild? People were just trying to get to the event.

I agree, the organisers had a duty of care but whats it been free got to do with it? Free or paid entrance they still have the same responsiblities, and past free loveparades have gone off without incident for years. This could have easily happened at a paid event so I think you point is gone out the window.

Shoelaces · 25-07-2010 05:19PM

where were you and what did you see?

AB03 · 25-07-2010 05:26PM

horrible tragedy, disgusting to see all the smart comments in here.
guarantee if it was a rock/non-electronic event there'd be less small-minded mongos trolling with stupid ignorant trash...regarding the death of 19 human beings no less...
there were more than 340 seriously injured in this event, aside from the deaths, which was solely held to promote love and peace.
for the organisers of such an event to have to live with that on their conscience will be absolute torture.
my heart goes out to everyone involved.
idiots, fcuk off somewhere else with your ignorant bull****.

FlutterinBantam · 25-07-2010 05:31PM

Shoelaces wrote: »

where were you and what did you see?

I was in Dortmund for the 2008 parade and saw nothing but a bunch of crusties and squatters and jobless waters using the occasion to run riot and destroy the event for law abiding citizens.

Wagon · 25-07-2010 05:33PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Bunch of idiots ,obviously out of it, caused the chaos.

Should never be heard of again.

Just an excuse for spongers and wasters to run wild.

You're talking ****e. I'm very disappointed in you, this is completely out of character.

podgedurka · 25-07-2010 05:36PM

me-skywalker wrote: »

A few ppl die in an accident, (tragic yes, unavoidable yes) but should we now all go back and hide in our cages?

What is that even supposed to mean.... "Unavoidable" are u an idiot?

me-skywalker · 25-07-2010 05:39PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Seems to have attracted a fair share of freeloaders who just want any excuse to run wild.

You always get them.

Then blame everyone else.

Cop on, show some maturity and bother to read the articles associated.

The fact that freeloaders and wasters attended is completely irrelevant. All festivals and events have freeloaders. It should have been better managed saftey wise for routes and access points and therefore the freeloaders and normal citizens coudl have at least caused chaos in a safe environment ;-)

25-07-2010 05:40PM

Wagon wrote: »

You're talking ****e. I'm very disappointed in you, this is completely out of character.

Agree.. It's like someone's on his account. Absolutely crap logic.

Slunk · 25-07-2010 05:41PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

I was in Dortmund for the 2008 parade and saw nothing but a bunch of crusties and squatters and jobless waters using the occasion to run riot and destroy the event for law abiding citizens.

I was in dortmund too and didnt witness any of this. Are you saying if free event was held here you wouldnt get the odd waster at it. I cant possibly imagie something like that here. Then youd really have scumbags wreckin the place and ruining it for everyone else.

CiaranC · 25-07-2010 05:45PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

I was in Dortmund for the 2008 parade and saw nothing but a bunch of crusties and squatters and jobless waters using the occasion to run riot and destroy the event for law abiding citizens.

You are a ****ing idiot

AB03 · 25-07-2010 05:52PM

1.4 million and the majority krusties?
doubt it mate, there aint 1 million proper krusties in ****ing europe and i serious doubt they descended on the love parade whilst u were there...
try monegros, they manage 40,000 krusties and there's rarely problems.
i suspect police blockage frankly...

FlutterinBantam · 25-07-2010 05:56PM

AB03 wrote: »

1.4 million and the majority krusties?
doubt it mate, there aint 1 million proper krusties in ****ing europe and i serious doubt they descended on the love parade whilst u were there...
try monegros, they manage 40,000 krusties and there's rarely problems.
i suspect police blockage frankly...

If you are addressing that comment at me I never said the majority were crusties.

What I said is what I saw were mainly crusties and wasters doing their best to disrupt things and taunting the Polezie.

I am only telling what i saw and not extrapolating anything.

Terry · 25-07-2010 06:12PM

AB03 wrote: »

1.4 million and the majority krusties?
doubt it mate, there aint 1 million proper krusties in ****ing europe and i serious doubt they descended on the love parade whilst u were there...
try monegros, they manage 40,000 krusties and there's rarely problems.
i suspect police blockage frankly...

Why do you suspect police blockage?

kraggy · 25-07-2010 06:14PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

If you are addressing that comment at me I never said the majority were crusties.

What I said is what I saw were mainly crusties and wasters doing their best to disrupt things and taunting the Polezie.

I am only telling what i saw and not extrapolating anything.

You saw? So you were there?

Even if you were, you're still a ****ing clown. I know I'm going to get a ban for that.

The organisers are not at fault. It's the authorities. They were the ones who directed the crowd into the tunnel.

Get your facts right.

Sergeant · 25-07-2010 06:17PM

kraggy wrote: »

The organisers are not at fault. It's the authorities. They were the ones who directed the crowd into the tunnel.

Get your facts right.

The organisers decided to hold the festival in a venue where the only entrance was the tunnel in question. There was no other way of getting there.

They also decided to keep the festival going for another 14 hours after the crush.

They have a lot to answer for.

kraggy · 25-07-2010 06:19PM

Sergeant wrote: »

The organisers decided to hold the festival in a venue where the only entrance was the tunnel in question. There was no other way of getting there.

They also decided to keep the festival going for another 14 hours after the crush.

They have a lot to answer for.

It wasn't the only entrance. They directed the crowd into the tunnel to avoid overcrowding in the main area.

AB03 · 25-07-2010 06:21PM

Terry wrote: »

Why do you suspect police blockage?

Because of this comment, smells fishy to me...

taken from irishtimes.com report...
"Police disputed media reports that the victims died in a crush in a tunnel leading to the event. “No one died in the tunnel,” said Detlef von Schmelling, police president of Duisburg. “Of those who died, 14 people were found in the area of a blocked-off staircase and two near a wall.”

why was the staircase blocked off???

the love parade organisers are well-accustomed to dealing with crowds in the millions so i imagine they weren't the ones blocking off staircases.
seems strange, the tunnel, although definitely a possible hazard, looks absolutely massive in width.

AB03 · 25-07-2010 06:22PM

Sergeant wrote: »

The organisers decided to hold the festival in a venue where the only entrance was the tunnel in question. There was no other way of getting there.

They also decided to keep the festival going for another 14 hours after the crush.

They have a lot to answer for.

the festival was continued and the party-goers not informed of the incident in order to not cause a second panic.

FlutterinBantam · 25-07-2010 06:28PM

kraggy wrote: »

You saw? So you were there?

Even if you were, you're still a ****ing clown. I know I'm going to get a ban for that.

The organisers are not at fault. It's the authorities. They were the ones who directed the crowd into the tunnel.

Get your facts right.

I think you need to gather yourself up sunshine.

I was referring to a 2008 event and what I saw.

Abrasax · 25-07-2010 06:48PM

kraggy wrote: »

It wasn't the only entrance. They directed the crowd into the tunnel to avoid overcrowding in the main area.

What I picked up from the news is that they were using the tunnel as the only entrance.

At a certain point they decided the place was too full and stopped people coming through the tunnel and turned them back, whereupon they met the crowd of people still trying to get in and the crush ensued.

poodles · 25-07-2010 07:30PM

Love Hurts

Love Parade cancelled forever?

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