North Korea threatens nuclear 'sacred war' - Who will give in first!

Biggins · 24-07-2010 06:03PM

Dennis the Stone wrote: »

I have to say, I'm on North Korea's side after seeing these harrowing photos of what US Soldiers are capable of.

Holy crap! Seriously... Holy crap! :eek:

MagicMarker · 24-07-2010 06:04PM

Dennis the Stone wrote: »

I have to say, I'm on North Korea's side after seeing these harrowing photos of what US Soldiers are capable of.

Am I missing something?

Biggins · 24-07-2010 06:06PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

Am I missing something?

The hyperlink in the above (No.61) post text.
Takes you Here: http://theoriens.com/anti-american-propaganda-from-north-korea/

Gordon · 24-07-2010 06:06PM

Biggins wrote: »

From this mornings Times:

Nutty North Korea rattling the sabres again in another game of "chicken".
Sooner of later one of the wacko's across the border will finally just go too far - and then heaven help the world!

The full Times article:
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/83/wwwthetimescoukttonewsw.jpg
http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/83/wwwthetimescoukttonewsw.jpg

Is that your times account? I'm pretty sure I can read the account owners last name, very sure I can make out the first name. Might want to edit if so.

Biggins · 24-07-2010 06:08PM

Gordon wrote: »

Is that your times account? I'm pretty sure I can read the account owners last name, very sure I can make out the first name. Might want to edit if so.

Yep, my account.
Not too worried. The North Koreans already have me in their sights! :pac:
I shouldn't laugh though - I'll be needing Jack Bauer to rescue me by this time next year!

Our man in Havana · 24-07-2010 06:09PM

The CIA need to get their act together and assassinate Kim Jong-il.

MagicMarker · 24-07-2010 06:12PM

Biggins wrote: »

The hyperlink in the above (No.61) post text.
Takes you Here: http://theoriens.com/anti-american-propaganda-from-north-korea/

Oh I see that all right. But they're paintings, not actual photos. And the title is ''Anti-American Propaganda''.

Hardly something that would have me siding with N. Korea tbh.

Biggins · 24-07-2010 06:14PM

Haddockman wrote: »

The CIA need to get their act together and assassinate Kim Jong-il.

They are sorely tempted but a law that was passed apparently bans them from knocking off foreign leaders.
Yes, I know that law holds as much water in a leaky bucket for the CIA but thats also their excuse used when sometimes they'd prefer not to bump someone off - especially when they would rather deal with one nutcase and know him and how he operates to a certain extent - than have to deal with more unknowns behind him later and possibly a bigger nightmare scenario.

As the saying goes "Better the devil you know!"

Biggins · 24-07-2010 06:17PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

Hardly something that would have me siding with N. Korea tbh.

All true but the ordinary northern Korean people, some whom are not very knowledgeable on America and its people, would swallow that stuff up if only because they don't know any different ..or be allowed to know any different!

Jumpy · 24-07-2010 06:17PM

Haddockman wrote: »

The CIA need to get their act together and assassinate Kim Jong-il.

That would make him a martyr. Really bad idea. You dont just go around assassinating other countries leaders.

Our man in Havana · 24-07-2010 06:25PM

Jumpy wrote: »

That would make him a martyr. Really bad idea. You dont just go around assassinating other countries leaders.

Ah your no fun. The yanks tried for years to get Castro.

ejmaztec · 24-07-2010 06:33PM

This is the sort of complete sh1te spouted on the official North Korean website. Apparently only a few people outside North Korea know what's going on:eek:

http://www.korea-dpr.com/reunification.htm

Reunification

Only few people in the world know that Korea is divided by a big concrete wall in the Parallel 38 that was built by the United States of America when the Korean War finished.This wall is hundreds of times bigger than the one that existed in Germany and is separating the Korean families, brothers, parents... the nation is divided because the U.S.A. is dominating the southern part and keeps an army of more than 40.000 soldiers to avoid the union of the Korean people.

Korea is an independent and sovereign state, but the South is still controlled by the imperialist interests and the U.S. troops .If any South Korean citizen tries to visit North Korea crossing the big concrete wall, he'll be killed by the american soldiers. The 'Security Law' in South Korea forbides to any South Korean citizen to talk or read about the North or else he'll be punished with jail or even death penalty.

Since the end of the War, one of the main worries of the Great Leader KIM IL SUNG and the Dear Leader KIM JONG IL was the Unification of the Korean families.The Great Leader said:

"To unify the divided country in this moment is the supreme national task of all the Korean people, and we cannot wait just one moment to achieve it"

In 1980 he wrote the program for the constitution of the 'Democratic Confederation Republic of Koryo' where he exposed the basic points for the peaceful unification of the country respecting both capitalist and socialist systems.
The unification of Korea, the peace in the peninsula and the meeting of all the families is possible, but the U.S.A. isn't interested on it, and every year with the support of the South Korean Army they display big military maneuvers like the 'Ulji Focus Lens' or 'Team Spirit with the purpose of invading and dominate the North. Only when the american soldiers will leave South Korea and the citizens will recover they sovereignity, a big united Korean nation is possible.

Peace, Friendship and Independence are the hopes of the Korean people, and nobody will stop the burning desires and deep feelings of the separated families to be together.

Terry · 24-07-2010 06:42PM

Dennis the Stone wrote: »

I have to say, I'm on North Korea's side after seeing these harrowing photos of what US Soldiers are capable of.

No too far from the truth: http://www.bobcesca.com/blog-archives/iraqis_tortured_wp-f.jpg

Royal Irish · 24-07-2010 06:43PM

Jumpy wrote: »

That would make him a martyr. Really bad idea. You dont just go around assassinating other countries leaders.

I bet Israel would do it. I could imagine a group of mossad agents arriving in Pyonyang wearing Meath jerseys.

Biggins · 24-07-2010 06:47PM

Terry wrote: »

No too far from the truth: http://www.bobcesca.com/blog-archives/iraqis_tortured_wp-f.jpg

I've yet to see any hangings, women and kids been shot in fairness, as depicted by the North Koreans.

Bob the Seducer · 24-07-2010 06:50PM

Biggins wrote: »

I've yet to see any hangings, women and kids been shot in fairness, as depicted by the North Koreans.

They could have just used the photos from My Lai...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mai_Lai_Massacre

[warning: contains some graphic images]

Biggins · 24-07-2010 06:53PM

Bob the Seducer wrote: »

They could have just used the photos from My Lai...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mai_Lai_Massacre

[warning: contains some graphic images]

True - but not to be argumentative - only to be fair to the debate - the actions of 26/a few and one incident does not mean its the actions of the whole people/armys of America!

Killer Pigeon · 24-07-2010 07:07PM

NORTH KOREA WILL NOT LAUNCH NUCLEAR ATTACKS IF THE U.S. AND SOUTH KOREA HOLD NAVAL EXERCISES.

North Korea has used these pathetic scare tactics for years and has never actually gone ahead with them.

Biggins · 24-07-2010 07:14PM

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

NORTH KOREA WILL NOT LAUNCH NUCLEAR ATTACKS IF THE U.S. AND SOUTH KOREA HOLD NAVAL EXERCISES.

North Korea has used these pathetic scare tactics for years and has never actually gone ahead with them.

Yea, its just them banging the jingoistic drum again.
The fear is that some minor soldier though some day will go ahead and press a ruddy button anyway thinking he's doing the right thing by his masters!

Royal Irish · 24-07-2010 07:18PM

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

NORTH KOREA WILL NOT LAUNCH NUCLEAR ATTACKS IF THE U.S. AND SOUTH KOREA HOLD NAVAL EXERCISES.

North Korea has used these pathetic scare tactics for years and has never actually gone ahead with them.

I thought they only had developed nukes in the last 2 years.

Things are alot more tense there recently and the sinking of that South Korea ship was serious. I think the biggest factor on whether war will break out between the two Koreas depends alot on who is in power in South Korea. Right now its a kinda a conservative party which mandate during their last elections was to take a hardline on North Korea.

If Bush was still in power in the US after everything that has happened in that part of the world recently, US boots would be on North Korean soil by the end of 2010.

Bob the Seducer · 24-07-2010 07:29PM

Biggins wrote: »

True - but not to be argumentative - only to be fair to the debate - the actions of 26/a few and one incident does not mean its the actions of the whole people/armys of America!

The problem is that incidents like the My Lai massacre and the prisoner torture and abuse in Abu Ghraib provide evidence beyond propaganda stories and allow those opposed to the US to tar the whole army/country with the one brush.

The DPRK propaganda is what it is, propaganda. Just like telling a captive population that they are the ones who are better off than those on the other side of the border. Propaganda hits an odd sort of middle ground when there's a legitimate real life example to draw from.

Biggins · 24-07-2010 07:34PM

Bob the Seducer wrote: »

The problem is that incidents like the My Lai massacre and the prisoner torture and abuse in Abu Ghraib provide evidence beyond propaganda stories and allow those opposed to the US to tar the whole army/country with the one brush.

The DPRK propaganda is what it is, propaganda. Just like telling a captive population that they are the ones who are better off than those on the other side of the border. Propaganda hits an odd sort of middle ground when there's a legitimate real life example to draw from.

All true.
Just a pity the genuine people themselves up north are not allowed more so to wade through more varied informative articles - and allowed then make up their own minds.

Lone Stone · 24-07-2010 07:35PM

hmm yes perfecting timing to distract people from the gulf of mexico oil spill war it is YYaaaRRrrr ArmarrRRraCarrRRRrr

flanno_7hi · 24-07-2010 08:00PM

Dempsey wrote: »

At this stage I wouldnt mind if North Korea was carpet bombed off the face of the earth

Thats a great attitude to have. so due to the actions/words of the leaders of a country all innocent civilians should be killed?:eek:
:rolleyes:

sponsoredwalk · 24-07-2010 08:01PM

Biggins wrote: »

True - but not to be argumentative - only to be fair to the debate - the actions of 26/a few and one incident does not mean its the actions of the whole people/armys of America!

True, that's proven by the resistance movement to the war that built up.
Also, with Abu Ghraib there were millions worldwide protesting this stuff & Iraq etc...

" In their conversation on Nov. 21, 1969, about the My Lai massacre,
Mr. Laird told Mr. Kissinger that while he would like
"to sweep it under the rug," the photographs prevented it.

...

Mr. Kissinger immediately relayed the order:
"A massive bombing campaign in Cambodia.
Anything that flies on anything that moves." "
Link.

When the West awards people like this Nobel Peace prizes instead of long-term jail sentences,
we can't expect people under tyrranical regimes to look to us as a model of what to aspire to.
Talk of "carpet bombing" North Korea in that horrid historically repetitious way we've seen
in this thread certainly does little to prove how moral we are...
If one of those people who talk of destroying North Korea actually had power or a say in this matter,
would you feel safer or more moral as a citizen of the West?

admiralofthefleet · 24-07-2010 08:03PM

north korea is best korea

Bob the Seducer · 24-07-2010 08:09PM

Royal Irish wrote: »

I thought they only had developed nukes in the last 2 years.

Things are alot more tense there recently and the sinking of that South Korea ship was serious. I think the biggest factor on whether war will break out between the two Koreas depends alot on who is in power in South Korea. Right now its a kinda a conservative party which mandate during their last elections was to take a hardline on North Korea.

If Bush was still in power in the US after everything that has happened in that part of the world recently, US boots would be on North Korean soil by the end of 2010.

There was no war after DPRK agents blew up a civilian Korean Air flight in 1987, I don't expect one now.

As I mentioned earlier, any war would not just involve the two Koreas you'd have China on one side and the US on the other. With the current global economy using China as the factory of the world, do you think either they or the US want to get involved in an all out war?
Even if Bush was still in power, the situation wouldn't be any different from where we're at today.

The DPR Korea is basically China's agro younger cousin, chalenging people in clubs and drawing the attention of the bouncers.

Since the armistice in 53 the DPRK has been involved in numerous border incidents, none of which have led to a resumption of hostilities. My "favourite" in that list has to be

May 1992: Three Northern soldiers in South Korean uniforms are killed in Cheolwon, Gangwon-do; three South Korean soldiers are wounded.

That's basically a legitimate version of the incident the Nazis faked to justify starting WWII.

With a major power committed on either side, the Republic of Korea's economic development in past two decades and the DPRK's reported food shortages, nobody has anything to gain from going to war, just a hell of a lot to lose. The status quo that's been maintained for over 50 years is still in place because that's what serves most people's interests best.

Wagon · 24-07-2010 08:12PM

flanno_7hi wrote: »

Thats a great attitude to have. so due to the actions/words of the leaders of a country all innocent civilians should be killed?:eek:
:rolleyes:

Strangly enough, that reminds of me of something. Going by what I've seen and heard what happens in that country, I think they'd prefer it.

I was watching a program, was on BBC World news. Dunno where to find it now but it was about North Korea. They were some of the first journalists allowed into the country. Everything they saw was set up, such as lavish food in a "typical" north korean home. The "happy" schoolchildren performing a song about how happy they are in the country...you get the idea. All bollocks to impress the outside world. The sad reality is that people were still dying from hunger on the streets.

Anyway, the reporters left N Korea eventually and found a lady living in South Korea. she and some friends had said something to critisize the government and were to be sent to a gulag. they legged it though and made it to the south. When she was asked what she would do if the authorities found her and tried to force her back, she said her and her mates had suicide pills and they would actually kill themselves rather than go back, which is pretty telling of how bad that place is.

If i can find a link to it ioll post it. Well worth a watch.

sponsoredwalk · 24-07-2010 08:18PM

Wagon wrote: »

Strangly enough, that reminds of me of something. Going by what I've seen and heard what happens in that country, I think they'd prefer it.

I was watching a program, was on BBC World news. Dunno where to find it now but it was about North Korea. They were some of the first journalists allowed into the country. Everything they saw was set up, such as lavish food in a "typical" north korean home. The "happy" schoolchildren performing a song about how happy they are in the country...you get the idea. All bollocks to impress the outside world. The sad reality is that people were still dying from hunger on the streets.

Anyway, the reporters left N Korea eventually and found a lady living in South Korea. she and some friends had said something to critisize the government and were to be sent to a gulag. they legged it though and made it to the south. When she was asked what she would do if the authorities found her and tried to force her back, she said her and her mates had suicide pills and they would actually kill themselves rather than go back, which is pretty telling of how bad that place is.

If i can find a link to it ioll post it. Well worth a watch.

Good lads, we have the moral justification right here

Lets carpet bomb the ƒuckers!

Pittens · 24-07-2010 08:22PM

digme wrote: »

I'd threaten war too if Russia was doing military exercises 20 miles from Miami.Open your eyes man.

I'd say the fact that you personally are protecting Miami from the Russian bear is the only thing which allows the citizens of that State to sleep at night.

well done!

North Korea threatens nuclear 'sacred war' - Who will give in first!

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