Your opinions on Transsexuals

Stercus Accidit · 24-07-2010 01:45AM

Dudess wrote: »

Like what other reasons?

I call troll.

Padlock in 3, 2 ....

Links234 · 24-07-2010 01:45AM

Dudess wrote: »

Like what other reasons?

cheaper car insurance

minister poxbottle · 24-07-2010 01:46AM

Roamc wrote: »

Despite my views, nobody on this earth is a freak. That was just a bit out of hand, mate. At the end of the day they're just people like you and me.[/QU

What about michael jackson :pac:

Roamc · 24-07-2010 01:46AM

Dudess wrote: »

Like what other reasons?

As stated above, sexual and attention. I regret including the entire community in my first post after reading the Understanding Transgender thread.

Roamc · 24-07-2010 01:47AM

Links234 wrote: »

cheaper car insurance

As much as I hate your sarcasm, your funny!

Dudess · 24-07-2010 01:49AM

Doubtful what you're referring to even exists tbh - as if a person would have a serious and delicate operation (and subject to a lot of terms) purely for vacuous reasons...

Hank_Jones · 24-07-2010 01:49AM

minister poxbottle wrote: »

What about michael jackson :pac:

He's not on earth (he's dead).

Just wanted to point that out.

Links234 · 24-07-2010 01:50AM

if anyone has any serious questions about this, feel free to PM me and ask, I'll be happy to answer any questions you might have

Roamc · 24-07-2010 01:51AM

Dudess wrote: »

Doubtful what you're referring to even exists tbh - as if a person would have a serious and delicate operation (and subject to a lot of terms) purely for vacuous reasons...

First hand experience, I can tell you they do exist, you'd be suprised at the lengths people will go through to reach a level of malevolence. But, most Transsexual are genuine. As I've learnt only today :P silly me.

kylith · 24-07-2010 01:54AM

Roamc wrote: »

As stated above, sexual and attention. I regret including the entire community in my first post after reading the Understanding Transgender thread.

I'd be sceptical of that. AFAIK those wishing to undergo gender reassignment have to undergo a battery of psycological examinations.

Happyman42 · 24-07-2010 01:55AM

HereNorThere wrote: »

It's unnatural. Totally wrong.

Nature says we should have fingernails/toenails 50 feet long,unless we use sisscors, hair to our dickey di doos unless we cut it, 10ft beards for men and rampant body hair for women, nature says some of us should go blind in our twenties, but we invented glasses, it says some of us should never have been born at all, but we studied and studied and increased infant mortality, some of us should have died in infancy, but we did unnatural things like transplants etc. ....we have triumphed over 'nature'.....it's what makes us unique on this earth, without that 'triumph' some of us should have died of measles ffs!
Some people (yes! human beings) feel that they don't fit and medical science can sort that out.... But hey! some of us, sitting by our firesides getting morally indignant and using the poker to fry the immoral hedonists we don't allow the freedom to breathe decide; you can't be that person because it's 'UNNATURAL'....and I bet you are probably a catholic.....gimme me a break!

Dudess · 24-07-2010 01:56AM

Roamc wrote: »

First hand experience, I can tell you they do exist, you'd be suprised at the lengths people will go through to reach a level of malevolence.

Funnily enough, I'm still not convinced...

L.Jenkins · 24-07-2010 02:00AM

You know as a Trans person myself, If I where an out and out attention seeker, I'd be as flambouyant as that cross dresser dame judy or what ever his name is. As Links said, anyone who's genuinely interested in the opinions of trans people, don't be afraid to ask, Curiousity is as natural as Trans people and Trolls.

By the way Roam, I can think of a million other ways of seeking attention besides having myself castrated.

Oh ya, trans women do pass very well thanks to modern medical science:
http://cdn1.ioffer.com/img/item/361/650/26/Miriam_1.jpg

Einhard · 24-07-2010 02:15AM

HereNorThere wrote: »

It's unnatural. Totally wrong.

More natural I imagine that to feel like a woman in every way, yet to be stuck in a man's body. Or vice versa.

Roamc wrote: »

First hand experience, I can tell you they do exist, you'd be suprised at the lengths people will go through to reach a level of malevolence.

I can't help but be intrigued.

storm2811 · 24-07-2010 02:24AM

Links234 wrote: »

so think about it, how many girls would be interested in a relationship with a girl like me? probably very, very few compared to how many would be interested in me if I stayed as I am. so by transitioning, I would be reducing my chances of a relationship with a girl. so it's really, really not for any kind of sexual reasons at all, it's for me.. it's to feel comfortable with my own body and that's all there is to it.

and also, transgender girls can be incredibly beautiful looking: http://imgur.com/SDMw8.jpg

Well a girl would go for your personality and whatever first impression you make,it's how I choose who I go out with anyway.

Zillah · 24-07-2010 02:34AM

Links234 wrote: »

by the way, transition certainly isn't for sexual reasons
I'm interested in women sexually, I've never had any interest in men at all.

yet in the near future, I'm going to be starting hormone replacement therapy. my testosterone production will be blocked, and I'll be taking estrogen. what will happen to my body looks something like this: http://i.imgur.com/keetd.jpg my breasts will develop, my skin will soften, my body hair will reduce, body fat will redistribute and overall, my body will become female.

so think about it, how many girls would be interested in a relationship with a girl like me? probably very, very few compared to how many would be interested in me if I stayed as I am. so by transitioning, I would be reducing my chances of a relationship with a girl. so it's really, really not for any kind of sexual reasons at all, it's for me.. it's to feel comfortable with my own body and that's all there is to it.

Awesome. So let me get this straight. You are currently male, attracted to women, but feel female inside. So you will become female, and still be attracted to women...so you'll be a lesbian?

and also, transgender girls can be incredibly beautiful looking: http://imgur.com/SDMw8.jpg

I am so happy for her, its a real pity all sex change operations can't go so well.

baby and crumble · 24-07-2010 02:39AM

Originally posted by ItsThatManAgain
Oh ya, trans women do pass very well thanks to modern medical science:
http://cdn1.ioffer.com/img/item/361/650/26/Miriam_1.jpg

Can people PLEASE stop posting pics of Miriam I keep getting all hot under the collar!!!

And as one of the posters who was 'attacking' Roam over in the LGB forum, I'm glad to see a change of heart in a way in his/her posts over here.

It's also nice to see most people not giving much of a crap.

starbelgrade · 24-07-2010 02:49AM

MultiUmm wrote: »

Wow. The two of them look stunning!

Hopefully this might dispel the myth that transgender people look like men in drag after hormone replacement and surgery. :rolleyes:

Everytime I see one of those "make-over" programs, the woman always ends being transformed from a dowdy girl to looking like a man in drag!

On the subject of transgenders - I say live & let live... I don't really see the point in anyone having predjudices towards anyone who wants to live their lives as they choose & in doing so, causes no harm to anyone else.

Live & let live.

NoHornJan · 24-07-2010 02:56AM

Left handed people were ostracised, so were dyslexys,so were ginger haired people, those with stammers were laughed at, people with limps were called hoppalongs,kids with Downs Syndrome were called idiots in the 1911 Census, unless you are without flaws to your character or being and are totally happy with yourself and want no changes i.e.more brains, then let other people live their own lives, and let them live life as they want to. It's their lives not ours.

strobe · 24-07-2010 03:02AM

MultiUmm wrote: »

Wow. The two of them look stunning!

Hopefully this might dispel the myth that transgender people look like men in drag after hormone replacement and surgery. :rolleyes:

Really?? They look stunning to you?

I think they both look like really manish girls. If I saw them walking down the street the word ugly would be thought of well before the word stunning.

Having said that. I could not care less if someone wants to have a sex change. I have learned on boards that their are physiological(sc) reasons for it, apparently. But in the same way that the native american guy that had himself a load of surgery to be more like a cat {google it} {cat man} when it is clear he has serious emotional issues that could have been better treated with therapy or something. Anything apart from having his ears cut into points and his lip pierced dozens of times to make a place to fit whiskers........I think thier are probably a lot of people applying for gender reasignment surgery because of the same reasons.

Some sort of verifiable test should be devised to seperate the genuine cases from the nutcases. Doctors take that oath....first do no harm.....cutting off a crazy depressed emotionally unstable guys penis cause he thinks it will make him happier doesn't hold to that oath.

Diagnose the legitamate cases and treat them. Treat the others like you would any other mental patient. With care and therapy.

http://www.rainbowskill.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/p2.jpg

MultiUmm · 24-07-2010 03:09AM

strobe wrote: »

Really?? They look stunning to you?

I think they both look like really manish girls. If I saw them walking down the street the word ugly would be thought of well before the word stunning.

Having said that. I could not care less if someone wants to have a sex change. I have learned on boards that their are physiological(sc) reasons for it, apparently. But in the same way that the native american guy that had himself a load of surgery to be more like a cat {google it} {cat man} when it is clear he has serious emotional issues that could have been better treated with therapy or something. Anything apart from having his ears cut into points and his lip pierced dozens of times to make a place to fit whiskers........I think thier are probably a lot of people applying for gender reasignment surgery because of the same reasons.

Some sort of verifiable test should be devised to seperate the genuine cases from the nutcases. Doctors take that oath....first do no harm.....cutting off a crazy depressed emotionally unstable guys penis cause he thinks it will make him happier doesn't hold to that oath.

Diagnose the legitamate cases and treat them. Treat the others like you would any other mental patient. With care and therapy.

http://www.rainbowskill.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/p2.jpg

Yes, I think they both look great imo. If I saw either of them on the street I doubt I'd be able to recognise they were transgender.

Btw, you do know transgender people go under rigorous evaluation before they can even be considered for surgery? It's not a simple case of going to your GP and asking for surgery + hormones. They undergo psychiatric evaluation afaik, and the waiting lists are meant to be huge.

starbelgrade · 24-07-2010 03:10AM

strobe wrote: »

http://www.rainbowskill.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/p2.jpg

That is one seriously ugly looking cat.

MultiUmm · 24-07-2010 03:12AM

starbelgrade wrote: »

That is one seriously ugly looking cat.

Yeah .. that guys picture did freak me out a bit actually.

Links234 · 24-07-2010 03:13AM

Strobe, you have to go through psychological councelling before even starting hormone replacement therapy, and then a LOT of councelling before you can get genital reassignment surgery, as well as a second doctor to sign off on it as well, and give the recommendation.

also, most psychologists can probably tell you that transsexuality cannot be "cured" with therapy or psychological things like that. no more than you can cure someone of being gay

it's silly to compare being transgender to that guy who wants to look like a cat, it's not the same at all.

and lastly, they don't cut off the penis
they rearrange it so it becomes a vagina, the tip of the penis becomes the clitoris and so on. nobody is getting anything amputated

Nulty · 24-07-2010 03:18AM

HereNorThere wrote: »

It's unnatural. Totally wrong.

Just like aeroplanes!

sdanseo · 24-07-2010 03:19AM

Freaks of nature. Utterly wrong.

@nulty, planes make sense

Links234 · 24-07-2010 03:24AM

sdonn wrote: »

Freaks of nature. Utterly wrong.

@nulty, planes make sense

actually hon, it's just natural human diversity at play, nothing wrong at all

and it's not too hard to make sense of if you try

vicecreamsundae · 24-07-2010 03:24AM

i think every individual has the right to decide what gender they identify with, and they should be able to express themselves as they like -some trans people may feel happy enough in their own bodies, if they can dress and present themselves as they please, others feel uncomfortable with their bodies until they reflect the gender they identify with. i think its sad we live in a world where often trans people face ridicule, disrespect and the threat of violence.

Nulty · 24-07-2010 03:29AM

sdonn wrote: »

Freaks of nature. Utterly wrong.

@nulty, planes make sense

Planes for you and Gender reassignment for others. It makes sense if it takes you where you want to go my friend

Planes scare some people just like gender reassignment scares you

Odysseus · 24-07-2010 03:46AM

I'm a live and let live person, as long as a person is not causing other people a problem, what business is it of mine? However, I had meet a few transexuals in the course of my work, and from listening to their stories the striking thing for me is how isolated they can be by society. It's a terrible thing that a persons sexuality can be so strongly judged by others that it isolates them from general society.

I remember a lady coming into a training seminar I attended a number of years ago, and it was very sad to listen to her speak about her life, and how she had tried to keep it hidden for so long. Thankfully there are better support structures out there for transgendered people today, however, my understanding is life can still be very difficult for people in that that position due to peoples prejudices.

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