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HIV's Holy Grail

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  • #32
    MIRMIR82
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 658 ✭✭✭MIRMIR82


    Morlar wrote: »
    Men are not field animals - it's insulting to say men are somehow incapable of rational thought in order to avoid a fatal diesase.

    Well it is men of the churches and the men of other religions that forbid the use of contraception!!!:rolleyes:
    Also mention circumcision to any man and he'll run a mile!! You know thats true if it were a life or death situation fair enough, they would, but something like aids doesnt enter your head til its too late so the first suggestion is just a joke. EVERYONE in the world would have to conform:confused:


  • #33
    genericguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭genericguy


    caseyann wrote: »
    They are going to die anyway,if i had it i know i would want them to do it and save me from life of dying like that.

    p.s i am always optimistic,i see cure.

    it doesn't work like that - its not that they can't do it, it's that they won't. do you think bone marrow grows on trees anyway?


  • #34
    danniemcq
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    caseyann wrote: »
    They had two high profile cases of Aids been cured(and how many more we havent heard of)

    4, wait no 6... nah 4 i'm staying with 4.


  • #35
    Morlar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    MIRMIR82 wrote: »
    Well it is men of the churches and the men of other religions that forbid the use of contraception!!!:rolleyes

    Actually it is the men having unprotected sex with prostitutes /infected women & then infecting their wives and through them their children who are primarily to blame (also of course intravenous drug users & wives sleeping around then infecting their husbands/children).
    MIRMIR82 wrote: »
    Also mention circumcision to any man and he'll run a mile!!

    Not sure anyone proposed circumcising the adult male population in order to reduce the numbers of aids infected.
    MIRMIR82 wrote: »
    You know thats true if it were a life or death situation fair enough, they would, but something like aids doesnt enter your head til its too late so the first suggestion is just a joke. EVERYONE in the world would have to conform:confused

    At some point personal responsibility has to enter this discussion. My approach would be to focus on africa and any areas where it is at ridiculous levels and growing - education, free contraception etc etc and if that does nto produce results then screen people from africa applying for visas to europe that at least might reduce the mobility of the virus by a degree.


  • #36
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,646 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Lads, this thread is exactly like HIV

    Real World: "I do not have HIV, have sex with me"
    Boards: "I have proof of a cure for HIV, read this link"

    Real World: "Damn, you tricked me. You have HIV"
    Boards: "Damn, you misled me. There is no cure"

    Now, instead of you all accepting that there is no cure, you are feeding the virus thread and it is growing.

    Do as The Minister says........ lets eradicate this thread virus by stopping the discussion spread. Nobody else need be misled infected by the fact that there are claims here that just aren't true!


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  • #37
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    Must... resist... southpark... quotes...


  • #38
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Medical companies don't want cures..


  • #39
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    genericguy wrote: »
    it doesn't work like that - its not that they can't do it, it's that they won't. do you think bone marrow grows on trees anyway?

    ah so you admit it costs to much and they wont do it because of that,when they have got a cure:p


  • #40
    MIRMIR82
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 658 ✭✭✭MIRMIR82


    Morlar wrote: »
    Actually it is the men having unprotected sex with prostitutes /infected women & then infecting their wives and through them their children who are primarily to blame (also of course intravenous drug users & wives sleeping around then infecting their husbands/children).



    Not sure anyone proposed circumcising the adult male population in order to reduce the numbers of aids infected.


    At some point personal responsibility has to enter this discussion. My approach would be to focus on africa and any areas where it is at ridiculous levels and growing - education, free contraception etc etc and if that does nto produce results then screen people from africa applying for visas to europe that at least might reduce the mobility of the virus by a degree.



    Agreed!! (with your last point!!)


  • #41
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    Pace2008 wrote: »
    It's not just a case of having a sufficient number of donors.

    Marrow transplants are complicated and expensive procedures. Who's going to foot the astronomical bill?

    And we have another admittance,its the money they wont cure it reason.:p


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  • #42
    Ostrom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,483 ✭✭✭Ostrom


    caseyann wrote: »
    And we have another admittance,its the money they wont cure it reason.:p

    Are you messing? Not just with this quote but with the thread?


  • #43
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    efla wrote: »
    Are you messing? Not just with this quote but with the thread?

    No i am not messing,they have stated they are meeting in relation to a cure.
    So how is that messing?

    They wouldnt be saying they are looking at these ways,if they havent been tested and proven to have worked.


  • #44
    Pace2008
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭Pace2008


    caseyann wrote: »
    ah so you admit it costs to much and they wont do it because of that,when they have got a cure:p
    CHECKMATE!


  • #45
    IvyTheTerrible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    caseyann wrote: »
    No i am not messing,they have stated they are meeting in relation to a cure.
    So how is that messing?

    They wouldnt be saying they are looking at these ways of they havent been tested and proven to have worked.

    They are meeting in relation to FINDING/DEVELOPING a cure...


  • #46
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,646 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    caseyann wrote: »
    They wouldnt be saying they are looking at these ways of they havent been tested and proven to have worked.

    Read this back and then tell me you aren't some kinda super-genius!


  • #47
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Read this back and then tell me you aren't some kinda super-genius!

    Einstein suffered from dyslexia;)


  • #48
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    IvyTheTerrible wrote: »
    They are meeting in relation to FINDING/DEVELOPING a cure...

    Because they have something to offer on the table as a cure,otherwise they wouldn't be calling the meeting would they?


  • #49
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    Pace2008 wrote: »
    CHECKMATE!

    BUZZ:D


  • #50
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,646 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    caseyann wrote: »
    Einstein suffered from dyslexia;)

    It was nothing to do with your spelling or grammar.

    You're an even superer-genius than i thought!


  • #51
    IvyTheTerrible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    caseyann wrote: »
    Because they have something to offer on the table as a cure,otherwise they wouldn't be calling the meeting would they?

    It's a conference. There are academic conferences all the time, it doesn't mean all the scientific questions have been answered. It's just an opportunity for people to network, to present the most recent research and to develop policy.


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  • #52
    allanb49
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,419 ✭✭✭allanb49


    The_Minister wrote: »
    Tbh, given that HIV can hide all over the body, I think it is more likely that we will beat HIV by stopping transmissions, and then waiting for the current carriers to die off.
    It's a blood disease which cannot exist outside the body independently - when the last of the infected is dead, the disease will be effectively wiped out (excepting SIV)

    Reading that all i could think of was Zombies....


  • #53
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    IvyTheTerrible wrote: »
    It's a conference. There are academic conferences all the time, it doesn't mean all the scientific questions have been answered. It's just an opportunity for people to network, to present the most recent research and to develop policy.

    AH i see and you are apart of the conference and know this because they told you? :)


  • #54
    IvyTheTerrible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    caseyann wrote: »
    AH i see and you are apart of the conference and know this because they told you? :)

    I downloaded the programme (383 pages) and searched for the word cure. There are 3 instances of the word cure: Towards a cure, strategies for cure, and a discussion on treating HIV/AIDS in prison called Cure now. It's not rocket science.

    Seriously, caseyann, that's how scientific conferences work.


  • #55
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,646 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    caseyann wrote: »
    AH i see and you are apart of the conference and know this because they told you? :)

    Conspiracy Theories is that way

    <


  • #56
    IvyTheTerrible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    caseyann wrote: »
    AH i see and you are apart of the conference and know this because they told you? :)

    Oh yeah and PS I do know someone organising it. So I can get in touch with her and ask her personally, if you like.


  • #57
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Conspiracy Theories is that way

    <

    How is what i said a conspiracy theroy,they are meeting for a cure for aids,and all anyone here is doing is trying to say,they havent got one.But they have stated they are looking at two ways already!
    Spent half time dicussing what i think and their judgements on what i think rather than the article.:rolleyes:


  • #58
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    IvyTheTerrible wrote: »
    Oh yeah and PS I do know someone organising it. So I can get in touch with her and ask her personally, if you like.

    Whats her name and your name i will give her a bell and ask her myself thanks :)


  • #59
    IvyTheTerrible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    caseyann wrote: »
    How is what i said a conspiracy theroy,they are meeting for a cure for aids,and all anyone here is doing is trying to say,they havent got one.But they have stated they are looking at two ways already!
    Spent half time dicussing what i think and their judgements on what i think rather than the article.:rolleyes:

    "Looking at" is not the same as having found one.


  • #60
    Pace2008
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭Pace2008


    caseyann wrote: »
    And we have another admittance,its the money they wont cure it reason.
    First of all, you don’t know this treatment will cure the disease.

    From what I've heard, having marrow extracted is very painful for the donor. Supposing there were enough altruists in the world, we then reach the problem of manpower, or lack thereof. I doubt all the surgeons in the world capable of carrying out this procedure could even begin to carry out your plan, even if they were working around the clock.

    In an alternate universe where everyone's a doctor, we’d still have to cover the cost. Now, this webpage is unsourced and possibly unreliable, but we’ll use it for argument’s sake. It says bone marrow surgery costs around $250,000 in the US, £150,000 in the UK, “only” $30,000 in India. Going by the cheapest treatment available, it would still cost $30,000,000 to cure 1,000 people of HIV. In an impoverished developing country, I think you could help more than 1,000 people with that kind of money.

    Stop digging, for your own sake.


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  • #61
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    IvyTheTerrible wrote: »
    "Looking at" is not the same as having found one.

    It is looking at which means reason to believe it is a cure,and possible for them to already have had success other wise they wouldn't be bringing it forward to the conference.


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