HIV's Holy Grail

caseyann · 22-07-2010 1:42pm #1

Vienna will not be the conference to announce a cure. But we should not continue to accept that HIV is a disease which commits patients to life-long treatment,” said Sharon Lewin, a physician in the infectious diseases unit of the Alfred Hospital in Melbourne, Australia.

A sterilizing cure that would eliminate HIV from the body entirely; this is similar to a cancer that is cured with a bone marrow transplant.

I remember posting this a while back,and i was told i was wrong.I knew they had a cure :rolleyes:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/article1647960.ece

prinz · 22-07-2010 1:45pm

caseyann wrote: »

I knew they had a cure :rolleyes:

They don't have it yet. Which is why it won't be announced at the Vienna conference. Close but no cigar.

NothingMan · 22-07-2010 1:48pm

Ehem. The cure has been discovered. You just have to inject large amounts of liquidised cash into your blood. D'uh, everyone knows that.

AnonoBoy · 22-07-2010 1:58pm

caseyann wrote: »

I remember posting this a while back,and i was told i was wrong.

Perhaps you should have showed them your research notes to prove your case. Or referred to your years of medical training. That would have convinced them.

tony 2 tone · 22-07-2010 1:59pm

caseyann wrote: »

I remember posting this a while back,and i was told i was wrong.I knew they had a cure :rolleyes:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/article1647960.ece

But they don't have a cure yet. :rolleyes:

Pace2008 · 22-07-2010 2:00pm

Where in the article does it say they have a cure?

Brendog · 22-07-2010 2:03pm

isn't the cure like €100,000 blended up and put into your blood stream?

just get a loan from anglo irish and you'll be fine!

TheZohanS · 22-07-2010 2:05pm

Pace2008 wrote: »

Where in the article does it say they have a cure?

Right here:

Can AIDS be cured?
It has long been a taboo to use the C-word when discussing the response to the pandemic, but scientists at the International AIDS Conference in Vienna are seriously discussing the idea that the human immunodeficiency virus can be eliminated from the body, or at least battered into quasi-permanent remission.

Simples.

prinz · 22-07-2010 2:09pm

caseyann wrote: »

Doesnt have to say there is a cure,they have one and they have had it for a while..

So they have the cure, but are all going to Vienna anyway and are going to discuss the possibility of such a cure as they already have....

The_Minister · 22-07-2010 2:12pm

Tbh, given that HIV can hide all over the body, I think it is more likely that we will beat HIV by stopping transmissions, and then waiting for the current carriers to die off.
It's a blood disease which cannot exist outside the body independently - when the last of the infected is dead, the disease will be effectively wiped out (excepting SIV)

Pace2008 · 22-07-2010 2:13pm

TheZohan wrote: »

Right here:

Simples.

To me, that doesn't say they have a cure.

It says HIV can (as in it's possible) to be cured.

caseyann · 22-07-2010 2:13pm

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Perhaps you should have showed them your research notes to prove your case. Or referred to your years of medical training. That would have convinced them.

They had two high profile cases of Aids been cured(and how many more we havent heard of) ,said that a certain blood type was immune so how could they not have the ground work for a cure?

ejmaztec · 22-07-2010 2:14pm

prinz wrote: »

So they have the cure, but are all going to Vienna anyway and are going to discuss the possibility of such a cure as they already have....

No, they just wanted to go on the piss in Vienna, the meeting is a ruse.

TheZohanS · 22-07-2010 2:19pm

Pace2008 wrote: »

To me, that doesn't say they have a cure.

It says HIV can (as in it's possible) to be cured.

Correct, but we're using caseyann logic here.

Dey tuk errr cuooooar!!!!!!!!!

caseyann · 22-07-2010 2:21pm

The_Minister wrote: »

Tbh, given that HIV can hide all over the body, I think it is more likely that we will beat HIV by stopping transmissions, and then waiting for the current carriers to die off.
It's a blood disease which cannot exist outside the body independently - when the last of the infected is dead, the disease will be effectively wiped out (excepting SIV)

Thats a very negative way to think of it,how to stop carriers? when they wont even go get checked alot of them,and when they travel into other countries they arent given a medical either.So the cure is needed and the something to eradicate it all together.

ORLY? · 22-07-2010 2:22pm

caseyann wrote: »

They had two high profile cases of Aids been cured(and how many more we havent heard of) ,said that a certain blood type was immune so how could they not have the ground work for a cure?

Because

Dr. Maldarelli wrote:

The problem, Dr. Maldarelli said, is that these circumstances are virtually impossible to replicate and, besides, “wholesale replacement of the immune system is not a practical approach.”

caseyann · 22-07-2010 2:24pm

TheZohan wrote: »

Correct, but we're using caseyann logic here.

Dey tuk errr cuooooar!!!!!!!!!

:P oh ye be warned

see beyond the mountain of smoke and lies :mad:

Trashbat · 22-07-2010 2:25pm

The_Minister wrote: »

Tbh, given that HIV can hide all over the body, I think it is more likely that we will beat HIV by stopping transmissions, and then waiting for the current carriers to die off.
It's a blood disease which cannot exist outside the body independently - when the last of the infected is dead, the disease will be effectively wiped out (excepting SIV)

Thats the exact same way to eliminate zombies!

The only thing is, how do you stop transmissions? I meanr really, not the pie in the sky ideas of "education" and relying on people to have the good sense to avoid rampant fornication.

AnonoBoy · 22-07-2010 2:26pm

caseyann wrote: »

They had two high profile cases of Aids been cured(and how many more we havent heard of) ,said that a certain blood type was immune so how could they not have the ground work for a cure?

Ground work does not equal a cure.

But with your wall of medical degress you already knew that of course.

Pace2008 · 22-07-2010 2:27pm

I think it would be more advisable, at this stage, to hold you hands up and say "I might have misread the article in my (understandable) excitement" than to barrel on and continue suggesting you're privy to secret information regarding the most important medical discovery in recent years.

Ostrom · 22-07-2010 2:34pm

On closer inspection these are loafers your source is crap

The_Minister · 22-07-2010 2:43pm

Trashbat wrote: »

Thats the exact same way to eliminate zombies!

The only thing is, how do you stop transmissions? I meanr really, not the pie in the sky ideas of "education" and relying on people to have the good sense to avoid rampant fornication.

Circumcision, contraception, education, even monogamy, all these things help.

MIRMIR82 · 22-07-2010 2:49pm

The_Minister wrote: »

Circumcision, contraception, education, even monogamy, all these things help.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

*sides splitting*

Morlar · 22-07-2010 2:50pm

MIRMIR82 wrote: »

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

*sides splitting*

He is right actually.

Anyway - what about the Super Aids huh ?? ?

genericguy · 22-07-2010 2:52pm

caseyann wrote: »

They had two high profile cases of Aids been cured(and how many more we havent heard of) ,said that a certain blood type was immune so how could they not have the ground work for a cure?

i'd love to read that article through your eyes, because nowhere does it say that there exists a cure for AIDS/HIV. the type of resistance you mentioned is not a blood type, it's people with a particular mutation in the white blood cell receptor to which the virus binds to gain entry to the cells. this basically stops the virus fitting in. go and google "HIV, CCR-5" cos I'm not arsed explaining it to you any further.

and what do you mean "how could they not have the ground work for a cure?" that's a fcuking mental statement. the german bloke that was cured had a bone marrow transplant to deal with leukaemia ffs, do you think that's medically or logistically feasible to do on the millions of AIDS sufferers in the world?

I'd love to visit your world on holidays caseyann.

MIRMIR82 · 22-07-2010 2:54pm

The_Minister wrote: »

Circumcision, contraception, education, even monogamy, all these things help.

Morlar wrote: »

He is right actually.

Anyway - what about the Super Aids huh ?? ?

Actually he is right but at least 3 of the above would require men having to use their heads other than their d**ks when it comes to sex- sorry but i can see a cure for aids before i see that happening!!!

Morlar · 22-07-2010 2:57pm

MIRMIR82 wrote: »

Actually he is right but at least 3 of the above would require men having to use their heads other than their d**ks when it comes to sex- sorry but i can see a cure for aids before i see that happening!!!

Men are not field animals - it's insulting to say men are somehow incapable of rational thought in order to avoid a fatal diesase.

Pace2008 · 22-07-2010 2:59pm

They should make it a criminal offence for organisations to discourage the use of condoms in countries incapated through overpopulation and ravaged by AIDS.

caseyann · 22-07-2010 3:01pm

genericguy wrote: »

i'd love to read that article through your eyes, because nowhere does it say that there exists a cure for AIDS/HIV. the type of resistance you mentioned is not a blood type, it's people with a particular mutation in the white blood cell receptor to which the virus binds to gain entry to the cells. this basically stops the virus fitting in. go and google "HIV, CCR-5" cos I'm not arsed explaining it to you any further.

and what do you mean "how could they not have the ground work for a cure?" that's a fcuking mental statement. the german bloke that was cured had a bone marrow transplant to deal with leukaemia ffs, do you think that's medically or logistically feasible to do on the millions of AIDS sufferers in the world?

I'd love to visit your world on holidays caseyann.

They are going to die anyway,if i had it i know i would want them to do it and save me from life of dying like that.

p.s i am always optimistic,i see cure.

genericguy · 22-07-2010 3:02pm

caseyann wrote: »

Thats a very negative way to think of it,how to stop carriers? when they wont even go get checked alot of them,and when they travel into other countries they arent given a medical either.So the cure is needed and the something to eradicate it all together.

ah jesus. just because it's a negative way to think doesn't make it any more scientifically valid. in my view (yes, i'm very highly educated in molecular biology Prof. caseyann) suppression of the virus is all that will be achieved (read up on HIV, RNAi) and the current cohort of sufferers will die, by which time people will cop the fook on, stop listening to ratzinger and wear a fooking condom and stop using heroin and HIV will be gone and we all live happily ever after.

Until then, I think it's a good deterrent - you only really get AIDS if you act the maggot.

Pace2008 · 22-07-2010 3:03pm

caseyann wrote: »

They are going to die anyway,if i had it i know i would want them to do it and save me from life of dying like that.

It's not just a case of having a sufficient number of donors.

Marrow transplants are complicated and expensive procedures. Who's going to foot the astronomical bill?

MIRMIR82 · 22-07-2010 3:04pm

Morlar wrote: »

Men are not field animals - it's insulting to say men are somehow incapable of rational thought in order to avoid a fatal diesase.

Well it is men of the churches and the men of other religions that forbid the use of contraception!!!:rolleyes:
Also mention circumcision to any man and he'll run a mile!! You know thats true if it were a life or death situation fair enough, they would, but something like aids doesnt enter your head til its too late so the first suggestion is just a joke. EVERYONE in the world would have to conform

genericguy · 22-07-2010 3:06pm

caseyann wrote: »

They are going to die anyway,if i had it i know i would want them to do it and save me from life of dying like that.

p.s i am always optimistic,i see cure.

it doesn't work like that - its not that they can't do it, it's that they won't. do you think bone marrow grows on trees anyway?

danniemcq · 22-07-2010 3:08pm

caseyann wrote: »

They had two high profile cases of Aids been cured(and how many more we havent heard of)

4, wait no 6... nah 4 i'm staying with 4.

Morlar · 22-07-2010 3:11pm

MIRMIR82 wrote: »

Well it is men of the churches and the men of other religions that forbid the use of contraception!!!:rolleyes

Actually it is the men having unprotected sex with prostitutes /infected women & then infecting their wives and through them their children who are primarily to blame (also of course intravenous drug users & wives sleeping around then infecting their husbands/children).

MIRMIR82 wrote: »

Also mention circumcision to any man and he'll run a mile!!

Not sure anyone proposed circumcising the adult male population in order to reduce the numbers of aids infected.

MIRMIR82 wrote: »

You know thats true if it were a life or death situation fair enough, they would, but something like aids doesnt enter your head til its too late so the first suggestion is just a joke. EVERYONE in the world would have to conform:confused

At some point personal responsibility has to enter this discussion. My approach would be to focus on africa and any areas where it is at ridiculous levels and growing - education, free contraception etc etc and if that does nto produce results then screen people from africa applying for visas to europe that at least might reduce the mobility of the virus by a degree.

MrStuffins · 22-07-2010 3:12pm

Lads, this thread is exactly like HIV

Real World: "I do not have HIV, have sex with me"
Boards: "I have proof of a cure for HIV, read this link"

Real World: "Damn, you tricked me. You have HIV"
Boards: "Damn, you misled me. There is no cure"

Now, instead of you all accepting that there is no cure, you are feeding the virus thread and it is growing.

Do as The Minister says........ lets eradicate this thread virus by stopping the discussion spread. Nobody else need be misled infected by the fact that there are claims here that just aren't true!

MagicMarker · 22-07-2010 3:13pm

Must... resist... southpark... quotes...

22-07-2010 3:15pm

Medical companies don't want cures..

caseyann · 22-07-2010 3:18pm

genericguy wrote: »

it doesn't work like that - its not that they can't do it, it's that they won't. do you think bone marrow grows on trees anyway?

ah so you admit it costs to much and they wont do it because of that,when they have got a cure:p

MIRMIR82 · 22-07-2010 3:20pm

Morlar wrote: »

Actually it is the men having unprotected sex with prostitutes /infected women & then infecting their wives and through them their children who are primarily to blame (also of course intravenous drug users & wives sleeping around then infecting their husbands/children).

Not sure anyone proposed circumcising the adult male population in order to reduce the numbers of aids infected.

At some point personal responsibility has to enter this discussion. My approach would be to focus on africa and any areas where it is at ridiculous levels and growing - education, free contraception etc etc and if that does nto produce results then screen people from africa applying for visas to europe that at least might reduce the mobility of the virus by a degree.

Agreed!! (with your last point!!)

caseyann · 22-07-2010 3:20pm

Pace2008 wrote: »

It's not just a case of having a sufficient number of donors.

Marrow transplants are complicated and expensive procedures. Who's going to foot the astronomical bill?

And we have another admittance,its the money they wont cure it reason.:p

Ostrom · 22-07-2010 3:22pm

caseyann wrote: »

And we have another admittance,its the money they wont cure it reason.:p

Are you messing? Not just with this quote but with the thread?

caseyann · 22-07-2010 3:25pm

efla wrote: »

Are you messing? Not just with this quote but with the thread?

No i am not messing,they have stated they are meeting in relation to a cure.
So how is that messing?

They wouldnt be saying they are looking at these ways,if they havent been tested and proven to have worked.

Pace2008 · 22-07-2010 3:27pm

caseyann wrote: »

ah so you admit it costs to much and they wont do it because of that,when they have got a cure:p

CHECKMATE!

IvyTheTerrible · 22-07-2010 3:29pm

caseyann wrote: »

No i am not messing,they have stated they are meeting in relation to a cure.
So how is that messing?

They wouldnt be saying they are looking at these ways of they havent been tested and proven to have worked.

They are meeting in relation to FINDING/DEVELOPING a cure...

MrStuffins · 22-07-2010 3:32pm

caseyann wrote: »

They wouldnt be saying they are looking at these ways of they havent been tested and proven to have worked.

Read this back and then tell me you aren't some kinda super-genius!

caseyann · 22-07-2010 3:38pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

Read this back and then tell me you aren't some kinda super-genius!

Einstein suffered from dyslexia;)

caseyann · 22-07-2010 3:39pm

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

They are meeting in relation to FINDING/DEVELOPING a cure...

Because they have something to offer on the table as a cure,otherwise they wouldn't be calling the meeting would they?

caseyann · 22-07-2010 3:40pm

Pace2008 wrote: »

CHECKMATE!

BUZZ:D

MrStuffins · 22-07-2010 3:43pm

caseyann wrote: »

Einstein suffered from dyslexia;)

It was nothing to do with your spelling or grammar.

You're an even superer-genius than i thought!

IvyTheTerrible · 22-07-2010 3:43pm

caseyann wrote: »

Because they have something to offer on the table as a cure,otherwise they wouldn't be calling the meeting would they?

It's a conference. There are academic conferences all the time, it doesn't mean all the scientific questions have been answered. It's just an opportunity for people to network, to present the most recent research and to develop policy.

HIV's Holy Grail

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