Complusory Purchase Order of Lambay Island?

Coriolanus · 21-07-2010 04:02PM

The British govt makes no claim to Lambay.

Contrary to some people's wishes, when the Irish State was born, British citizens didn't all of a sudden lose their rights to property they held.

Dealing with the financial and legal concerns of a cpo order requires something a little better thought out than "Oh, we want an island to scuba dive off of".

Carlos_Ray · 21-07-2010 04:06PM

Motley Crue wrote: »

I'd personally like to go to be honest but the Irish Government shouldn't just steal it from someone whose owned it for centuries

The current family haven't owned it for centuries and they rarely visit it now. The Irish were forcefully removed from the island to make way for the British settlers. The current family bought it. A CPO is not stealing, they would be paid for their property in a similar way to the way CPOs are put on property in the way of motorways etc.

The island has the potential to make money if managed correctly. It would be a long term project though, something Irish people aren't used to. Its certainly not a "buy now sell next year" job. If it was, everybody in this country would be on board because its all people here know how to do.

phill106 · 21-07-2010 04:06PM

Sounds like an ideal hideyhole come the zombie apocalypse.
They can keep it...for now....

Biggins · 21-07-2010 04:12PM

Your idea OP of compulsory purchase the island reminds me of a well known prayer:

"God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference."

Carlos_Ray wrote: »

1.The current family haven't owned it for centuries and they rarely visit it now. The Irish were forcefully removed from the island to make way for the British settlers. The current family bought it. 2. A CPO is not stealing, they would be paid for their property in a similar way to the way CPOs are put on property in the way of motorways etc.

The island has the potential to make money if managed correctly. 3. It would be a long term project though, something Irish people aren't used to. Its certainly not a "buy now sell next year" job. If it was, everybody in this country would be on board because its all people here know how to do.

1. So what if when or when not they have visited it? If there is wildlife on it, maybe thats a good thing if they stay away more?

2. This is Europe - not China stealing land from under the people's feet!

3. Insult Irish people much?

4. Just plain ignore the points and information posted in post 22 and 24 and carry on anyway?

I think you should get to know the prayer up above and maybe learn from that at least?

ejmaztec · 21-07-2010 04:17PM

It's probably just as well it's in private hands, because if it was compulsorily purchased, some fuckwit in the government would make sure that we'd have to pay €500 to get there on some leaky old tub, before being robbed blind by anyone on the island selling stuff.

Carlos_Ray · 21-07-2010 04:18PM

A well known historian once said to me, " always be wary of the opinions of the majorities for it is those of the much abused minority that more often prove to be correct."

Its easy to jump on the bandwagon and abuse someone because thay have, what appears, to be an odd idea. Its much harder to take the other stance and therefore people that do, generally have good reason to.

tricky D · 21-07-2010 04:21PM

DublinWriter wrote: »

Does anyone live on it?

Some of the family and the apartments are let during the year. Generally more on the island in the summer months.

ejmaztec wrote: »

It's probably just as well it's in private hands, because if it was compulsorily purchased, some fuckwit in the government would make sure that we'd have to pay €500 to get there on some leaky old tub, before being robbed blind by anyone on the island selling stuff.

Sure we could shtick an auld interpretive centre on dere ye know for a few million right beside the souvenir shop and redevelip de golf course.

Pauleta · 21-07-2010 04:26PM

Carlos_Ray wrote: »

The current family haven't owned it for centuries and they rarely visit it now. The Irish were forcefully removed from the island to make way for the British settlers. The current family bought it. A CPO is not stealing, they would be paid for their property in a similar way to the way CPOs are put on property in the way of motorways etc.

The island has the potential to make money if managed correctly. It would be a long term project though, something Irish people aren't used to. Its certainly not a "buy now sell next year" job. If it was, everybody in this country would be on board because its all people here know how to do.

You sound like Robert Mugabe.

Celly Smunt · 21-07-2010 04:28PM

CPO is a joke.

Carlos_Ray · 21-07-2010 04:30PM

Biggins wrote: »

Your idea OP of compulsory purchase the island reminds me of a well known prayer:

"God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference."

1. So what if when or when not they have visited it? If there is wildlife on it, maybe thats a good thing if they stay away more?

2. This is Europe - not China stealing land from under the people's feet!

3. Insult Irish people much?

4. Just plain ignore the points and information posted in post 22 and 24 and carry on anyway?

I think you should get to know the prayer up above and maybe learn from that at least?

That did seem a bit harsh, I didn't mean to insult all Irish people. Obviously there are some brilliant Irish visonaries skilled in business like Michael O'Leary.... Oh Sorry he gets thrashed all the time on these boards doesn't he??? It seems anybody that proposes anything new on boards is ridiculed. Its the Irish mentality, don't try anything new and sit back and laugh at the failure if anybody that has the balls to do it. If they succeed, sit back and jeer them from your armchair. I love being Irish, but its this mentality, that drove me to emmigrate. Not suprising that most successful Irishmen had to do the same.

Biggins · 21-07-2010 04:30PM

Long story short: nice idea in theory.
In practise - its a non-starter. One should move on...

Pinturicchio · 21-07-2010 04:30PM

I've never heard of it.

Carlos_Ray · 21-07-2010 04:32PM

Pauleta wrote: »

You sound like Robert Mugabe.

And you sound like a typical boards member using a one line cliched hyperbole response.

briany · 21-07-2010 04:34PM

This has been discussed before. Ultimately it's no different from other pieces of privately owned land except that it's surrounded by water. If the owners ever decide to sell it, that's another story.

I like the fact that you can't just go there. It has a great mystery and beauty about it. One article described it as a hermitage. It's like the moon in a way, it's there in front of you but just beyond your reach and it looks so peaceful, a world apart.

http://www.gorrygallery.ie/Catalogs/pkct0410.pdf

Biggins · 21-07-2010 04:39PM

Carlos_Ray wrote: »

...Obviously there are some brilliant Irish visionaries skilled in business like Michael O'Leary.... Oh Sorry he gets thrashed all the time on these boards doesn't he??? It seems anybody that proposes anything new on boards is ridiculed. Its the Irish mentality, don't try anything new and sit back and laugh at the failure if anybody that has the balls to do it. If they succeed, sit back and jeer them from your armchair. I love being Irish, but its this mentality, that drove me to emigrate. Not surprising that most successful Irishmen had to do the same.

I don't want to side-track the topic of the thread so will ignore the OP's lack of knowledge in regards to Irish people that have shown long term planning ability in their/our history previously...

Ignoring other side-tracking points too that can be replied to easily...

Just one thing... "Not surprising that most successful Irishmen had to do the same." - do you have figures to back the "most" claim up?
Far as I know (including myself) the vast majority of Irish business men & women (too!) have stayed and are still helping to keep our economy going.

Mint Sauce · 21-07-2010 04:41PM

biko wrote: »

The largest island off the east coast of Ireland is UK, and I don't want it.

its actually great britain

Carlos_Ray · 21-07-2010 05:29PM

Biggins wrote: »

I don't want to side-track the topic of the thread so will ignore the OP's lack of knowledge in regards to Irish people that have shown long term planning ability in their/our history previously....

By responding you didn't ignore anything. Some Irish people have showed long term planning ability of course. Do I have to spoon feed you now? Do I have to qualify everything by saying some? I assumed that as one Irish man speaking to another I could use the term "Irish people" to mean Irish people in general. Irish people (IN GENERAL) are not particulary creative when it comes to making money. Our current economic situation is a good indicator of this. Most people made fast money in property and don't have a creative bone in their body. What long term plan did the bankers have? Run the country into the wall and then wait for the tax payers to bail them out? What long term plan did the builders have? Keep building inferior buildings for ridiculous prices, declare bankrupt when that fails and open up under a different operating name?

Biggins wrote: »

Just one thing... "Not surprising that most successful Irishmen had to do the same." - do you have figures to back the "most" claim up?
Far as I know (including myself) the vast majority of Irish business men & women (too!) have stayed and are still helping to keep our economy going.

Oh so we're citing sources on Boards.ie now are we? Or do we only need sources when expressing an opinion different to yours? I don't remeber you displaying any sources to back up your OPINIONS. And its my opinion that a lot of these Business men and women are the problem. Loads of ego, no talent, taking advantage of nepotism, and fire blanketing any creativity that the younger generation have. The only option for a lot of young talented Irish people is emmigration. Maybe when the current generation of morons finally stop flogging the dead horse that they killed with their stupidity and greed, the next generation can return and start from scratch.

Biggins · 21-07-2010 05:48PM

Carlos_Ray wrote: »

By responding you didn't ignore anything. Some Irish people have showed long term planning ability of course. Do I have to spoon feed you now? Do I have to qualify everything by saying some?

It would be nice seeing as you said instead:
"Not surprising that most successful Irishmen had to do the same."

Carlos_Ray wrote: »

...its my opinion that a lot of these Business men and women are the problem. Loads of ego, no talent, taking advantage of nepotism, and fire blanketing any creativity that the younger generation have...

Jeasus we all must be terrible people for staying and starting up our own businesses here instead!
...And here was I thinking that Irish business people are appealing to the banks to open their lending facilities again to maintain their evil businesses! Of course its their ego thats makeing them do that too! :rolleyes:

Carlos_Ray wrote: »

...The only option for a lot of young talented Irish people is emigration.

Its one option.
Another is to stay and help their homeland by using same inherent talents and make our economy stronger.
Not all of us decide the boat/plane is the first and only option.
We have the foresight to see that at least!
...At least before our stupidity kicks in! :rolleyes:

Carlos_Ray wrote: »

...Maybe when the current generation of morons finally stop flogging the dead horse that they killed with their stupidity and greed, the next generation can return and start from scratch.

The vast business people in this country are neither stupid nor greedy.
They are too busy making the food you eat and the clothes you wear to be stupid.
...As for greed! Save that for a small political mafia in Dublin, the rest of the country is just too busy trying to keep their heads above water and save themselves from going under!

Abrasax · 21-07-2010 05:53PM

Any truth to the rumour there's a population of wallabies on the island?

Carlos_Ray · 21-07-2010 06:02PM

Biggins do you have sources to back up anything you just said?

Oh sorry we've moved passed that now. Are you aware of the unemployment figures in Ireland?? Do you fully understand the gravity of the situation?

I think you're being a bit patronising saying that young Irish people should stay at home and help the economy. Im sure they have looked for jobs before making the tough decision to emmigrate. Home means the dole for many young Irish people.

I should have clarified my problem with "Business men." I would consider myself an etrepreneur not a business man. Likewise , i have nothing but respect for Irish entrepreneurs. I know how difficult it is to set up and run a buisness in the Irish climate of begrudgery. "Business men" on the other hand are the type of people that do an MBA. The type of people that work their way up the slippery ladder of the financial industry ****ting on everyone beneath them and brown nosing anyone above. Similar characteristics to our politicians. People like these have shaped our country over the last twenty years.

Biggins · 21-07-2010 06:20PM

Carlos_Ray wrote: »

...Are you aware of the unemployment figures in Ireland?? Do you fully understand the gravity of the situation?

I think you're being a bit patronising saying that young Irish people should stay at home and help the economy. Im sure they have looked for jobs before making the tough decision to emmigrate. Home means the dole for many young Irish people.

I should have clarified my problem with "Business men." I would consider myself an etrepreneur not a business man. Likewise , i have nothing but respect for Irish entrepreneurs. I know how difficult it is to set up and run a buisness in the Irish climate of begrudgery. "Business men" on the other hand are the type of people that do an MBA. The type of people that work their way up the slippery ladder of the financial industry ****ting on everyone beneath them and brown nosing anyone above. Similar characteristics to our politicians. People like these have shaped our country over the last twenty years.

No, I'm not aware of the present situation in regard to employment numbers and our economic situation.
(Well if you're going to ask a silly question, one gets a silly answer!)

I think you're more than a bit belittling saying that young Irish people should only go away if they want to become successful!
Many a young person has stayed we can assume by the new businesses starting up (even in these economic times), and are doing well enough to still survive.
"Home" does not JUST mean "dole" for all though - There is many a young lad/girl that has gotten up off their ass and is not taking that route!
I suggest you read through some enterprise board publications!
Here's a link: http://www.enterprise-ireland.com/Publications/

"Business men" on the other hand are the type of people that do an MBA. The type of people that work their way up the slippery ladder of the financial industry ****ting on everyone beneath them and brown nosing anyone above...

Aaa... No. Not every businessman has an MBA! Says who!!!

...And we are very quick to brand all business men (women too ?) as just people to like to "work their way up the slippery ladder of the financial industry ****ting on everyone beneath them and brown nosing anyone above..."
Charming attitude to applied all - to say the least - unfounded and unproven!

Your whole attitude from the get-go of this thread is that business people who have stayed in this country are either stupid, corrupt, inept and/or in cahoots with the envelope under the counter brigade.

...Your so far off the mark that your words are (sadly) laughable and frankly insulting to those that stay and trying to do their best.

Carlos_Ray · 21-07-2010 06:56PM

Biggins wrote: »

No, I'm not aware of the present situation in regard to employment numbers and our economic situation.
(Well if you're going to ask a silly question, one gets a silly answer!)

I think you're more than a bit belittling saying that young Irish people should only go away if they want to become successful!
Many a young person has stayed I assume by the new businesses starting up (even in these economic times), and are doing well enough to still survive.
"Home" does not JUST mean "dole" for all though - There is many a young lad/girl that has gotten up off their ass and is not taking that route!
I suggest you read through some enterprise board publications!
Here's a link: http://www.enterprise-ireland.com/Publications/.

What else do you think enterprise Ireland will publish? That organisation is so inept its a joke. So anyone on the dole is just "sitting on their asses"? Many of my friends back in Ireland are working for free! Doing charity work. They can't get interviews never mind jobs, and there is no hope in hell of them getting a loan to start a business

Biggins wrote: »

Aaa... No. Not every businessman has an MBA! Says who!!!
...And we are very quick to brand all business men (women too ?) as just people to like to "work their way up the slippery ladder of the financial industry ****ting on everyone beneath them and brown nosing anyone above..."
Charming attitude to applied all - to say the least - unfounded and unproven! .

Fact :Ireland is one of the most politically corrupt nations in Europe. It is also one of the most financially unstable. Hmmmmm must be because we have so many excellent business men and women...:rolleyes:
Or maybe you'd do a Cowen on it and blame outside influences for our problems? Once again avoiding responsibility and keeping the ego intact.

Biggins wrote: »

Your whole attitude from the get-go of this thread is that business people who have stayed in this country are either stupid, corrupt, inept and/or in cahoots with the envelope under the counter brigade.

...Your so far off the mark that your words are (sadly) laughable and frankly insulting to those that stay and trying to do their best.

Sadly, in my opinion the politicians and top business people in this country are are either stupid, corrupt, inept and/or in cahoots with the envelope under the counter brigade. My opinion is based on the fact that the country is ruined....I'd love to know were you're getting your optimism from? Perhaps you're one of the people responsible for ruining it? In which case you'd be so blinded by you're own arrogance that you'd never recognise it, much less admit to it.

Biggins · 21-07-2010 07:07PM

Carlos_Ray, sadly in my opinion:

- Your too quick to tarnish many by the actions of the few.
- Too quick to see "exiting" as the only possible solution.
- Too quick to judge and refuse to see that some are staying and trying to make change!
- Too quick to take words out of context in which they were meant to suit your dribble.
- Too quick to consider the whole country ruined!
- Too quick at such I suspect a young age, to be a deep pessimist already.
- Too quick to have already grown a chip on your shoulder with the attitude that all business people are bad!

Frankly its my opinion that this country is better off a little bit more less of your thinking.
As you pass through the passport section of Dublin Airport, don't forget to get stamped on your passport "non-returnable".

Safe trip.

Carlos_Ray · 21-07-2010 10:16PM

Biggins wrote: »

Carlos_Ray, sadly in my opinion:

- Your too quick to tarnish many by the actions of the few.
- Too quick to see "exiting" as the only possible solution.
- Too quick to judge and refuse to see that some are staying and trying to make change!
- Too quick to take words out of context in which they were meant to suit your dribble.
- Too quick to consider the whole country ruined!
- Too quick at such I suspect a young age, to be a deep pessimist already.
- Too quick to have already grown a chip on your shoulder with the attitude that all business people are bad!

Frankly its my opinion that this country is better off a little bit more less of your thinking.
As you pass through the passport section of Dublin Airport, don't forget to get stamped on your passport "non-returnable".

Safe trip.

Sadly in my opinion (judging by your last post) you were too quick to laugh off the merits of a thesaurus.

I was offered a good job abroad, I took it. Lets not forget that this country was largely built from money sent back by emmigrants.Even so, I am not so idiotic to believe that people who can't find jobs in Ireland are "sitting on their asses" as you implied.

BTW I said I respect the people trying to make changes. I just feel its unfortunate they are not supported more. In America people are praised for trying and failing. In Ireland they are laughed at for failing and despised for succeeding.

Yeah you're right, the country would be MUCH better off without people like me who have the audacity to call for the people who caused the crisis by their corruption and greed to be sacked and punished.:rolleyes:

Biggins · 21-07-2010 10:53PM

Please! What are you rabbiting on about the merits of a thesaurus for!
Holy crap, at least I didn't yet mention your consistent bad spelling previously - pot calling kettle black?

Carlos_Ray wrote: »

Lets not forget that this country was largely built from money sent back by emmigrants...

What the hell has that got to do with the present situation or are you just throwing that out there for some bizzare reason?
Relevance please?

Carlos_Ray wrote: »

...Even so, I am not so idiotic to believe that people who can't find jobs in Ireland are "sitting on their asses" as you implied.

I didn't imply it so you can take that spin and schite elsewhere please.
Get an education and read what I wrote properly.

Carlos_Ray wrote: »

BTW I said I respect the people trying to make changes. I just feel its unfortunate they are not supported more.

Ok, now we are backtracking and moving the goal posts...
Its the business people that stayed under the past and present system that are calling and making pressure for changes too!
...But hell, lets over look that for the sake of painting them all as bad, bad, bad...

Carlos_Ray wrote: »

Yeah you're right, the country would be MUCH better off without people like me who have the audacity to call for the people who caused the crisis by their corruption and greed to be sacked and punished.:rolleyes:

O' yea I forgot, ALL us bushiness men and women that stayed here and are so ALL corrupt!

Please stop now - your further embarrassing yourself with each subsequent post.
Frankly its my opinion that your full of it. Please stay where you are.
We have enough crap to deal with within our land borders.

Carlos_Ray wrote: »

...creativity and hard work are two things that modern day Ireland knows nothing about

Carlos_Ray wrote: »

...The island has the potential to make money if managed correctly. It would be a long term project though, something Irish people aren't used to...

Carlos_Ray wrote: »

Irish people (IN GENERAL) are not particulary creative when it comes to making money.

...Loads of ego, no talent, taking advantage of nepotism, and fire blanketing any creativity that the younger generation have. The only option for a lot of young talented Irish people is emmigration. Maybe when the current generation of morons finally stop flogging the dead horse that they killed with their stupidity and greed, the next generation can return and start from scratch.

Carlos_Ray wrote: »

..."Business men" on the other hand are the type of people that do an MBA. The type of people that work their way up the slippery ladder of the financial industry ****ting on everyone beneath them and brown nosing anyone above. Similar characteristics to our politicians...

Carlos_Ray wrote: »

...Fact :Ireland is one of the most politically corrupt nations in Europe. It is also one of the most financially unstable. Hmmmmm must be because we have so many excellent business men and women...

Sadly, in my opinion the politicians and top business people in this country are are either stupid, corrupt, inept and/or in cahoots with the envelope under the counter brigade....

Dig after dig after insult and then same again... Your opinion frankly is as relevant as your useless first post.

df1985 · 21-07-2010 11:06PM

has anyone been on it?? does that 4m wall go round the whole thing? i.e if you went out theres no way of getting on?

jesus id love a boat!

sligopark · 21-07-2010 11:09PM

what about a CPO and reclaimation of Charlie Haughey's Island off Kerry?

DublinWriter · 21-07-2010 11:23PM

Carlos_Ray wrote: »

In America people are praised for trying and failing. In Ireland they are laughed at for failing and despised for succeeding.

Please don't take this as any measure of disrespect, but to me you sound like the typical IT Paddy that's been over there for no more than a couple of years and has fallen hook line and sinker for the 'American Dream'.

Before you launch into a personal attack, I've been working here (in Ireland) for the past 20 years, the last ten of which I've been running my own Limited Company.

Firstly, the MBA graduates you so richly criticise are the most highly head-hunted personnel by the American Fortune 500 companies, especially those graduating out of Harvard.

Secondly, judge a county by how it treats it's sick and old. I know we're not a particularly shining beacon in Ireland, but we do put the USA to shame.

I had the chance to emigrate to Boston on a sponsored H1B programme in 2001 arranged by an American consultancy but I passed. I looked at my whole life and I decided that America wasn't a country I wanted my kids or my future self to grow old in.

Lastly, you seem to be whinging about Irish whingers. Can you not spot the hypocritical nature of your argument?

Plenty of us didn't get into property speculation and were the quiet ones building Ireland's reputation as a 'can-do' nation working for American multi-nationals during the Tiger years.

Your assessment of us all as 'gobeen-men' smacks of your lack of a basic understanding of the real socio-economic drivers in this country and betrays your fundamental immaturity.

Anways...Lambay Island....sheesh....

Dravokivich · 21-07-2010 11:26PM

sligopark wrote: »

what about a CPO and reclaimation of Charlie Haughey's Island off Kerry?

Isn't it a wildlife reserve anyway? Won't make any difference.

Biggins · 21-07-2010 11:29PM

Originally Posted by Carlos_Ray
In America people are praised for trying and failing. In Ireland they are laughed at for failing and despised for succeeding.

Really, well I think you paint America in a poor light by wrongly saying that they are laughing at us!
Evidence?
Meanwhile in the rest of Europe they are growing an even deeper respect for us yet again!

See here:

Go figure!

Once again you need to go back somewhere, sit down and reassess your ideas and how others see Ireland.
Your way off the mark and it sure is not the picture your trying to paint to us all!

Complusory Purchase Order of Lambay Island?

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