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Where did we come from?

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  • #152
    WIZE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭WIZE


    snuggles285 wrote: »
    ah daah big bang! :D remember hearing of that! well let me see mmm...my theory is that an asteroid or a meteroite fell from mars within the universe and vola the big bang! over time it developed into earth creating water, earth etc eventually bacteria developed and multiplied and over time species developed and developed into land and sea and air creatures etc which one of which evolved into apes and eventually evolved into humans in a nutshell! :cool:

    do explain how the equator/lava erupts from there...meteroite?:(no? from mars...mars often can have things erupting from it or am I wrong?:confused: explain how the earths crust happens to be inside the earth planet?:pac:
    probably various temperatures from within the universe could have cause the rapid changes of the developing earth in the universe!:P

    you see thats the flaw

    What did Bacteria develop from


  • #153
    I_AmThe_Walrus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 355 ✭✭I_AmThe_Walrus


    WIZE wrote: »
    You keep speaking of Evolution

    Que?


  • #154
    WIZE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭WIZE


    This is what i believe

    As the earth cooled down A giant Ice Asteroid with cells frozen in it from another exploded planet landed on earth and melted creating the sea which in turn released the cells which started to Multiply so life came from the seas to create what we have now

    What we need to find out is if the Bacteria that lives inside the earth resembles Bacteria that could be found on the moon and on mars or even on titan


  • #155
    WIZE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭WIZE


    I_AmThe_Walrus wrote: »
    Que?

    Sorry I should have read you full post :o


  • #156
    sponsoredwalk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    snuggles285 wrote: »
    ah daah big bang! :D remember hearing of that! well let me see mmm...my theory is that an asteroid or a meteroite fell from mars within the universe and vola the big bang! over time it developed into earth creating water, earth etc eventually bacteria developed and multiplied and over time species developed and developed into land and sea and air creatures etc which one of which evolved into apes and eventually evolved into humans in a nutshell! :cool:

    do explain how the equator/lava erupts from there...meteroite?:(no? from mars...mars often can have things erupting from it or am I wrong?:confused: explain how the earths crust happens to be inside the earth planet?:pac:
    probably various temperatures from within the universe could have cause the rapid changes of the developing earth in the universe!:P

    LOL, well you have got some interesting idea's there :cool:

    The idea is that there was a humongous collection of rock & gaseous particles in space spinning in a certain direction.
    As this huge spinning disc of rock & gas continued to spin over time most of the rock & gas in the center
    gravitationally attracted to form the sun.

    Further out, this spinning collection of rock & gas gravitationally attracted to form the 8 planets
    Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus & Neptune.
    This was around 4.6 Billion years ago.
    During this time a huge asteroid hit the earth & knocked off some of the rock & that became the moon.

    It might sound a bit crazy but this explains why most of the planets are spinning in the same direction,
    why they are all lying more or less along the same plane (like a disc surrounding the sun). So I don't think Earth was formed by Mars ;)


    The moon hypothesis I've mentioned is one of, I think, two or three.
    Basically you should do some studying of youtube astronomy videos :D

    @ WIZE, There is water on Mars in the form of Ice, also, there is salt found on the rocks of what were thought to be Martian lakes.
    Salt could only have formed in the prescence of water &
    bacteria as we now it could have formed in this water.
    It's a possibility!


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  • #157
    starlit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,349 ✭✭✭✭starlit


    WIZE wrote: »
    you see thats the flaw

    What did Bacteria develop from

    moisture between the earth and the universe's natural substance!
    sponsoredwalk wrote: »
    LOL, well you have got some interesting idea's there



    The idea is that there was a humongous collection of rock & gaseous particles in space spinning in a certain direction.

    As this huge spinning disc of rock & gas continued to spin over time most of the rock & gas in the center

    gravitationally attracted to form the sun.



    Further out, this spinning collection of rock & gas gravitationally attracted to form the 8 planets

    Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus & Neptune.

    This was around 4.6 Billion years ago.

    During this time a huge asteroid hit the earth & knocked off some of the rock & that became the moon.



    It might sound a bit crazy but this explains why most of the planets are spinning in the same direction,

    why they are all lying more or less along the same plane (like a disc surrounding the sun). So I don't think Earth was formed by Mars





    The moon hypothesis I've mentioned is one of, I think, two or three.

    Basically you should do some studying of youtube astronomy videos



    @ WIZE, There is water on Mars in the form of Ice, also, there is salt found on the rocks of what were thought to be Martian lakes.

    Salt could only have formed in the prescence of water &

    bacteria as we now it could have formed in this water.

    It's a possibility!


    ahhh!


  • #158
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    moisture between the earth and the universe's natural substance!
    Wher did that come from....?


  • #159
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Wher did that come from....?
    Why do you insist on asking questions no one can answer? It's really quite annoying.


  • #160
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Why do you insist on asking questions no one can answer? It's really quite annoying.
    What is the title of the thread?

    So this thread must annoy you?


  • #161
    twinQuins
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭twinQuins


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Wher did that come from....?
    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    So what is wrong with the theory that a higher being created it?

    Where did the higher being come from? Hey, if that's the line of questioning you want to pose let's see how you handle it being turned on you.

    I know Wibbs gave me an answer but I want to hear your take on it.


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  • #162
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    What is the title of the thread?

    So this thread must annoy you?
    No, you annoy me. Asking never ending pointless questions when you KNOW there is no answer.

    What is the point exactly?


  • #163
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    No, you annoy me. Asking never ending pointless questions when you KNOW there is no answer.

    What is the point exactly?
    So what is the point of the thread then? Is that question pointless? Should we not try and answer it? There is no answer to it is there? Beyond theories. Tons of people have come on and spouted off the evolution line which is grand, as if that explains everything, but what started it all? We simply do not know. People rubbish the idea of a higher power and point at Darwin:That answers nothing really. Then they will not even consider the possibility of a higher power.

    Where did the higher being come from? Hey, if that's the line of questioning you want to pose let's see how you handle it being turned on you.
    No idea mate. None whatsoever. Am open to that theory however, chances are none of us would even comprehend the answer to the question.


  • #164
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    So what is the point of the thread then? Is that question pointless? Should we not try and answer it? There is no answer to it is there? Beyond theories. Tons of people have come on and spouted off the evolution line which is grand, as if that explains everything, but what started it all? We simply do not know. People rubbish the idea of a higher power and point at Darwin:That answers nothing really. Then they will not even consider the possibility of a higher power.

    Science answers a lot, and there is still a lot left to be answered. You can't just fill in the gaps with religion. Religion answers nothing.


  • #165
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    When I say higher power I don't necessarily mean God as we think of it.


  • #166
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    When I say higher power I don't necessarily mean God as we think of it.
    Great, make up some other elaborate supernatural being. It still doesn't answer anything.


  • #167
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Great, make up some other elaborate supernatural being. It still doesn't answer anything.
    Neither does anything I have read on this thread.


  • #168
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,363 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Great, make up some other elaborate supernatural being. It still doesn't answer anything.

    To be fair neither do any other theories.. they just lead to rhetoric and speculation.

    What about the fact that no energy can naturally be created or destroyed? They can be transformed from one state to another but the natural creation of matter and energy is naturally an impossibility.. so what natural force created everything?


  • #169
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    So what is the point of the thread then? Is that question pointless? Should we not try and answer it? There is no answer to it is there? Beyond theories. Tons of people have come on and spouted off the evolution line which is grand, as if that explains everything, but what started it all? We simply do not know. People rubbish the idea of a higher power and point at Darwin:That answers nothing really. Then they will not even consider the possibility of a higher power.
    Ah the good old "I don't know so it must be god" argument. What created the higher power? Saying "god did it" doesn't answer the question, it just pushes it back one level and declares that level to be magic. That is not to say that anyone else can answer the question any better, no one has any idea how the universe came to be, it just means that if we don't know we should just admit that we don't know instead of inventing magic men to fill the gaps in our knowledge

    Mention the idea of an infinite regress of universes to a religious person and they'll laugh at the ridiculousness of it and say you're avoiding the question but bring up the idea of an infinite being of infinite power, infinite knowledge and infinite love who has existed for infinity, will exist for infinity and will allow us all to exist for infinity and suddenly it all makes sense to them. A god doesn't make infinity any less incomprehensible or any less ridiculous a notion, it just dresses it up as a human being with magical powers because that fits easier in our brains.


  • #170
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    Neither does anything I have read on this thread.
    So what do you believe exactly?


  • #171
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    So what do you believe exactly?
    I know something must have spawned off everything.... we don't definitivly know the answer yet. I am open to the possibilty of a higher power.


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  • #172
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    I know something must have spawned off everything.....

    What does that mean?


  • #173
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    What does that mean?
    That there had to be some sort of beginning to everything.


  • #174
    Sparticle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 343 ✭✭Sparticle


    My name is URL wrote: »
    To be fair neither do any other theories.. they just lead to rhetoric and speculation.

    The other theories are educated guesses based on observable phenomena and are in the realm of possibility though. A supernatural being is a baseless guess plain and simple.
    My name is URL wrote: »
    What about the fact that no energy can naturally be created or destroyed? They can be transformed from one state to another but the natural creation of matter and energy is naturally an impossibility.. so what natural force created everything?

    By the laws of this universe, trying to apply those rules to anything before the universe is fruitless (I think....?).


  • #175
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    That there had to be some sort of beginning to everything.
    Erm, I think we've established that.

    Where do you think we came from? Do you believe in the big bang theory? Evolution?


  • #176
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,363 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Sparticle wrote: »
    The other theories are educated guesses based on observable phenomena and are in the realm of possibility though. A supernatural being is a baseless guess plain and simple.



    By the laws of this universe, trying to apply those rules to anything before the universe is fruitless (I think....?).

    You contradicted yourself in that case, because the other theories are also only observable after the creation of the universe

    And I never mentioned any supernatural being fwiw


  • #177
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    MUSSOLINI wrote: »
    That there had to be some sort of beginning to everything.

    So how did this higher being you're talking about begin?


  • #178
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Those two theories don't answer everything though.
    Evolution yeah, but there had to be something in the beginning to start it off.


  • #179
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    You need a product and an instigator to create something. All we can see in front of us is the end product or the result of that process and from that we're trying to decipher the product and what processed it in to existence.

    We all know that nothing can come from nothing. Energy cannot be created or destroyed after all. Therefore there must have been something that preceded all of that. Something higher than all of that and something that organised the chaotic nothingness into existence as we know it. Where God (Or higher being or force if you prefer the term) came from is something I doubt we will ever discover or comprehend.


  • #180
    strobe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    We all know that nothing can come from nothing. Energy cannot be created or destroyed after all. Therefore there must have been something that preceded all of that. Something higher than all of that and something that organised the chaotic nothingness into existence as we know it. Where God (Or higher being or force if you prefer the term) came from is something I doubt we will ever discover or comprehend.

    See but this is the problem when people say "from nothing comes nothing" and then try to bring into play a god to precede "nothing". Where did the god come from? If you already believe it can't have come from nothing, then it must have come from something that preceded it. You either get caught professing it is turtles all the way down http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down or saying "god" didn't need to come from anything because it always existed. But if you are presuming the god could have always existed without having to have been "created" then why couldn't the universe have always existed in some form removing any requirement for it to have ever been "created" either?


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  • #181
    Nancy Many Fork
    Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Nancy Many Fork


    My name is URL wrote: »
    It is a theory, are you sure you don't mean it isn't a theorem? Theories are abstract and conceptual, they can be supported or challenged by observation but can never be considered right or wrong.

    God theory holds about as much weight as any other theory when it comes to the creation of the universe, as neither can be shown to be false based on the analytical examination of their assertions

    In colloquial terms a theory is an idea. But we're talking about science here.
    A scientific theory is a substantiated explanation and model of observed fact.
    As Hawking states,
    A theory is a good theory if it satisfies two requirements: It must accurately describe a large class of observations on the basis of a model that contains only a few arbitrary elements, and it must make definite predictions about the results of future observations."
    God theory is not a theory because it does not make predictions[other than 'you're all going to hell' ;) ], it is not falsifiable and not remotely testable. It is not a model. They are "unprovable" but they are still falsifiable.
    It is not a scientific theory. Calling it that diminishes actual scientific theories and gives rise to the ever-annoying "it's *just* a theory".

    edit: I'm not saying it's a bad or impossible idea, it just irritates me when people call anything and everything a theory.


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