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  • #32
    ancapailldorcha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,447 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Look for the ghost writers that big-pharma companies employ to document the findings of those trials

    This article doesn't mention which papers were written by ghostwriters so I assume that they weren't published in any of the high impact journals.
    My name is URL wrote: »
    look for the conflicts of interest that transcend the entire industry

    I heard this alright, though swine flu was NOT harmless. Just because the only people who died had underlying conditions like Cystic Fibrosis like Howard the Duck said doesn't mean it was nothing. It certainly wasn't the end of the world pandemic the media cracked it up to be but the media ultimately exist to sell themselves. Whether or not the WHO's handling of the "pandemic" was motivated by the greed of big Pharma doesn't change that fact.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #33
    ancapailldorcha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,447 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    sligopark wrote: »
    No thanks

    http://www.fightbackh1n1.com/2009/08/who-memos-1972-explains-how-to-turn.html

    This has to be the worst thing I have ever read on the internet. The WHO references cited do not once mention that the vaccines were intentionally designed to kill people.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #34
    recylingbin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭recylingbin


    Howard the Duck wrote: »
    Although not as bad as expected a lot of people died from swine that wouldn't have died from normal flu. A number of people with CF died for instance. It annoys me when people act as if it was nothing.
    There's no such thing as 'normal flu'. Flus always kill people.
    Swine flu was no different.


  • #35
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    recylingbin wrote: »
    There's no such thing as 'normal flu'. Flus always kill people.
    Swine flu was no different.

    Still no cure for Manflu then?:)


  • #36
    recylingbin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭recylingbin


    gurramok wrote: »
    Still no cure for Manflu then?:)
    rest, whinging and someone to wait on me hand and foot normally gets me back on my feet within 2 weeks. 3 weeks if the service is really good.


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  • #37
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    recylingbin wrote: »
    rest, whinging and someone to wait on me hand and foot normally gets me back on my feet within 2 weeks. 3 weeks if the service is really good.

    Damn you have a good nurse :D


  • #38
    Howard the Duck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭Howard the Duck


    recylingbin wrote: »
    There's no such thing as 'normal flu'. Flus always kill people.
    Swine flu was no different.

    Of course it was different. Most people who died from it were from a younger age bracket than the people who normally die from the flu. People in their teens and early twenties died. to say it was no different is a pretty stupid remark.


  • #39
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    And this is how they will do it :( Dont take it :(


  • #40
    recylingbin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭recylingbin


    Howard the Duck wrote: »
    Of course it was different. Most people who died from it were from a younger age bracket than the people who normally die from the flu. People in their teens and early twenties died. to say it was no different is a pretty stupid remark.
    US:
    3 March 2010 --     As of 12 February 2010, According to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), it is estimated* that since the beginning of the pandemic, the US has had approximately 57 million cases of A-H1N1/09 Pandemic Swine Flu and approximately 11,690 resulting deaths..

    In comparison, the CDC and World Health Organization (WHO) have estimated that with seasonal flu, "we see over 30 million cases in the United States. We see 200,000 hospitalizations and, on average, 36,000 deaths." (During the entire fall and winter flu season.)

    FACTOID!


  • #41
    SugarHigh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,265 ✭✭✭SugarHigh


    caseyann wrote: »
    And this is how they will do it :( Dont take it :(
    Do what?

    This fear of vaccines is really dumb and it seems like half the people in this thread don't even know what a vaccine is. You're just luck heard immunity exists.

    Their are people not giving vaccines because they listen to conpiracy theorists instead of scientists.


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  • #42
    SugarHigh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,265 ✭✭✭SugarHigh


    recylingbin wrote: »
    FACTOID!
    You're completely missing the point that all the fear about swine was what it could eventually mutate into.


  • #43
    pvt6zh395dqbrj
    Closed Accounts Posts: 183 ✭✭pvt6zh395dqbrj


    My hero, Michael Scofield, had a disease that made him not only see the lamp but also all the different bits of the lamp. Then he started getting nose bleeds when he planned things because his mother got them too. A baldy man told him he could cure him and he did but then Michael walked into an electric fence.

    Any time I think about medicene I think of Michael and how the cure couldn't stop him from walking into electric fences. I think we can learn alot from that.


  • #44
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    SugarHigh wrote: »
    Do what?

    This fear of vaccines is really dumb and it seems like half the people in this thread don't even know what a vaccine is. You're just luck heard immunity exists.

    Their are people not giving vaccines because they listen to conpiracy theorists instead of scientists.


    You are all gonna die :( Its new world order the plan has begun,make you either die or part alien :( zombies :(

    Getting shot guns ready :(


  • #45
    Howard the Duck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭Howard the Duck


    recylingbin wrote: »
    FACTOID!

    Thanks for your fantastic FACTOID. I never said that swine killed more people than the seasonal flu. I was merely pointing out that your first post comparing swine flu to a "really bad cold" was a very silly remark. Where is your FACTOID on really bad cold deaths?


  • #46
    drkpower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,474 ✭✭✭drkpower


    Howard the Duck wrote: »
    Thanks for your fantastic FACTOID. I never said that swine killed more people than the seasonal flu. I was merely pointing out that your first post comparing swine flu to a "really bad cold" was a very silly remark. Where is your FACTOID on really bad cold deaths?

    Also, recyclingbin missed your important point (in fact, your central point) that the demographic most significantly affected by swine flu was the young. That was why there was far more concern. The flu does and always has killed old people in massive numbers (so do many things) but the change in target demographic to the young was very concerning.

    And of course, comparing numbers of dead is not especially helpful when there was a relatively massive take-up of swine flu vaccine in the US and elsewhere following the initial cases. A takeup far in excess of what would be expected for the regular swine flu. This almost certainly resulted in a huge decrease in overall cases and in deaths.


  • #47
    ancapailldorcha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,447 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Noah Magnificent Dimple wrote: »
    My hero, Michael Scofield, had a disease that made him not only see the lamp but also all the different bits of the lamp. Then he started getting nose bleeds when he planned things because his mother got them too. A baldy man told him he could cure him and he did but then Michael walked into an electric fence.

    Any time I think about medicene I think of Michael and how the cure couldn't stop him from walking into electric fences. I think we can learn alot from that.

    The tumors came back.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #48
    recylingbin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭recylingbin


    SugarHigh wrote: »
    You're completely missing the point that all the fear about swine was what it could eventually mutate into.
    All flus mutate.
    Howard the Duck wrote: »
    Thanks for your fantastic FACTOID. I never said that swine killed more people than the seasonal flu. I was merely pointing out that your first post comparing swine flu to a "really bad cold" was a very silly remark. Where is your FACTOID on really bad cold deaths?
    Surely number of deaths is the only way to judge how severe a flu is?
    I looked for stats on people who were a bit miffed by it, but there doesn't seem to be any.
    drkpower wrote: »
    1: Also, recyclingbin missed your important point (in fact, your central point) that the demographic most significantly affected by swine flu was the young. That was why there was far more concern. The flu does and always has killed old people in massive numbers (so do many things) but the change in target demographic to the young was very concerning.

    2: And of course, comparing numbers of dead is not especially helpful when there was a relatively massive take-up of swine flu vaccine in the US and elsewhere following the initial cases. A takeup far in excess of what would be expected for the regular swine flu. This almost certainly resulted in a huge decrease in overall cases and in deaths.

    1: A flu isn't made by Apple. It doesn't have a target demographic.

    2: Yet the stats say that more people contracted it but fewer people died.
    Maybe they were administering a retro vaccine on the sly.


  • #49
    Howard the Duck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭Howard the Duck


    recylingbin wrote: »
    All flus mutate.


    1: A flu isn't made by Apple. It doesn't have a target demographic.

    2: Yet the stats say that more people contracted it but fewer people died.
    Maybe they were administering a retro vaccine on the sly.
    drkpower wrote: »
    Also, recyclingbin missed your important point (in fact, your central point) that the demographic most significantly affected by swine flu was the young. That was why there was far more concern. .

    drkpower never mentioned a "target demographic" they are your words.

    Your original post compared swine flu to a bad cold and not seasonal flu. It seems your really bad cold has it's self mutated into seasonal flu.
    recylingbin wrote: »
    Oh God, NOOOOOOO!. Something worse than swine flu? Like, dare I say it, a bad cold?

    My problem is with this post. A lot of people died from swine flu most of them young adults living normal lives. It was a scary thought that a young person living a healthy life can catch a flu and die. I don't know many people who are scared of catching a cold but there were plenty scared of catching the swine flu. If it wasn't for the vaccine a lot more people would have died. Maybe not as much as we were made to believe.


  • #50
    drkpower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,474 ✭✭✭drkpower


    recylingbin wrote: »
    Surely number of deaths is the only way to judge how severe a flu is?
    I looked for stats on people who were a bit miffed by it, but there doesn't seem to be any. .

    Do you know what morbidity is?
    recylingbin wrote: »
    1: A flu isn't made by Apple. It doesn't have a target demographic.

    2: Yet the stats say that more people contracted it but fewer people died.
    Maybe they were administering a retro vaccine on the sly.

    1. Any disease process has a target demographic (not that i used that precise term), or if you prefer, a cohort of the population which are more susceptible to the disease process.
    2. Because it affected the young proportionately more than the old; of course, the overall deaths would be less. The young tend to be more resileient than the old, suprise surprise.

    Do you understand any of this stuff?


  • #51
    recylingbin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭recylingbin


    Howard the Duck wrote: »
    drkpower never mentioned a "target demographic" they are your words.

    7th and 8 th last words od his first paragraph
    http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=66993361&postcount=46

    Your original post compared swine flu to a bad cold and not seasonal flu. It seems your really bad cold has it's self mutated into seasonal flu.
    Sarchasm, it's the new thing. But I don't think it's going to catch on.



    My problem is with this post. A lot of people died from swine flu most of them young adults living normal lives. It was a scary thought that a young person living a healthy life can catch a flu and die. I don't know many people who are scared of catching a cold but there were plenty scared of catching the swine flu. If it wasn't for the vaccine a lot more people would have died. Maybe not as much as we were made to believe.
    Most of them died from underlying conditions, not the flu.
    People were scared because of the tremendous job the media did in blowing it out of proportion.
    It was a flu, nothing more, nothing less.
    The stats bare this out.


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  • #52
    recylingbin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭recylingbin


    drkpower wrote: »
    Do you know what morbidity is?



    1. Any disease process has a target demographic (not that i used that precise term), or if you prefer, a cohort of the population which are more susceptible to the disease process.
    2. Because it affected the young proportionately more than the old; of course, the overall deaths would be less. The young tend to be more resileient than the old, suprise surprise.

    Do you understand any of this stuff?
    Diseases don't have a target demographic. Some people are more pron to contract them, but the disease isn't targetting them.
    So, because alot more of the young contracted it, there were less deaths.
    Did less elderly people contract it? Probably not. And yet there were fewer deaths.
    It appears that i don't understand your point.
    More people contracted it, less people died. How does that make it more perilous than seasonal flu?


  • #53
    Kepti
    Closed Accounts Posts: 426 ✭✭Kepti


    recylingbin wrote: »
    Most of them died from underlying conditions, not the flu.

    Citation needed.

    Also, a factoid is something which appears to be a fact, but isn't.

    caseyann wrote:
    You are all gonna die Its new world order the plan has begun,make you either die or part alien zombies

    Getting shot guns ready

    This is disturbing to anyone who has read your previous posts. It's very unlikely you're trolling.

    Who are you intending to shoot? Are you going to wait for the alien zombies to encircle your fortification or take a more proactive approach?


  • #54
    drkpower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,474 ✭✭✭drkpower


    recylingbin wrote: »
    Diseases don't have a target demographic. Some people are more pron to contract them, but the disease isn't targetting them.
    So, because alot more of the young contracted it, there were less deaths.
    Did less elderly people contract it? Probably not. And yet there were fewer deaths.
    It appears that i don't understand your point.
    More people contracted it, less people died. How does that make it more perilous than seasonal flu?

    Well ,you were the one who used the word 'target'....:D Stop arguing against yourself.....

    Clearly, you dont understand my point. Young people tend to far more resilient and survive serious illness (although they may be left with significant morbidity - do you understand that word yet?)..... In the case of swine flu, it was far more aggressive against the young. the old, conversely appeared to have a degree of immunity to it and were less affected (relatively speaking). Given that set of facts, it is entirely to be exppected that the mortaility rate overall would be much reduced as compared to seasonal flu which has a far greater mortality for the old. Please tell me you understand now because I cant make it any more simple.

    And, it is more perilous because of its effect it has on younger demographics. Without wanting to be harsh to our wonderful senior citizens, a disease that affects the young disproportionately is far more concerning. Old people tend to die; if one thing doesnt get them, it will be another.


  • #55
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Whether or not the WHO's handling of the "pandemic" was motivated by the greed of big Pharma doesn't change that fact.

    Perhaps it doesn't change the fact that Swine Flu was a real concern, but it certainly suggests that not everything fed to you should be blindly swallowed.. even if it's by an organization like the WHO.


  • #56
    recylingbin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭recylingbin


    You can try and spin it any way you want, but the facts are:
    57 million cases of A-H1N1/09 Pandemic Swine Flu and approximately 11,690 resulting deaths..

    In compa seasonal flu, "we see over 30 million cases , 36,000 deaths."

    0.02% death rate for swine flu vs 0.12% death rate for seasonal flu.

    OMGODZERS the humanity.


  • #57
    Podman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 887 ✭✭✭Podman


    Mercury, Autism and the Global Vaccine Agenda - whole film

    Part 1 of 10
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7_xfUV4kSo


    Part 2 of 10
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk959RCwPtM


    Part 3 of 10
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqIIVIreUI0


    Part 4 of 10
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xudGcIgoN84


    Part 5 of 10
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iG6iJRxyIQ


    Part 6 of 10
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-qNEBqXLsY


    Part 7 of 10
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    Part 8 of 10
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    Part 9 of 10
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmoEH87WZLo


    Part 10 of 10
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxbyEF-lGT8


  • #58
    ancapailldorcha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,447 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Perhaps it doesn't change the fact that Swine Flu was a real concern, but it certainly suggests that not everything fed to you should be blindly swallowed.. even if it's by an organization like the WHO.

    Call me naive but until I saw this I would have trusted the WHO as much as my doctor. It's quite depressing that the WHO aren't trustworthy in my opinion.
    Also, the link between MMR and Autism has been completely disproven:
    http://www2.cochrane.org/reviews/en/ab004407.html

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #59
    Howard the Duck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭Howard the Duck


    recylingbin wrote: »
    You can try and spin it any way you want, but the facts are:57 million cases of A-H1N1/09 Pandemic Swine Flu and approximately 11,690 resulting deaths..

    In compa seasonal flu, "we see over 30 million cases , 36,000 deaths."


    0.02% death rate for swine flu vs 0.12% death rate for seasonal flu.

    OMGODZERS the humanity.

    As of May 30, 2010 worldwide update by World Health Organization(WHO) more than 214 countries and overseas territories or communities have reported laboratory confirmed cases of pandemic influenza H1N1 2009, including over18138 deaths

    So that's 18138 deaths Most if not all of those deaths would have been people under 65 years of age and probably much younger. Most deaths by seasonal flu are people over 65 and mostly are the frail and elderly.

    So that is the main difference between the two flu subtypes.

    Also you mention that most of those that died had underlying conditions. These underlying conditions included diabetes asthma and pregnancy in the 2nd and 3rd trimester.
    These aren't people who are at high risk from seasonal flu. So i don't know how you can say there was no difference between seasonal and swine flu.


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