The Bertie Ahern defense, now used by Ireland's top criminals

Liam Byrne · 10-07-2010 08:53PM

opinion guy wrote: »

What ? No I was implying he was there was no difference between Bertie and 'Ireland's Top criminals'.

That's the way I read it.....seemed pretty obvious considering I'd view him as one of them.

Caoimhín · 10-07-2010 08:57PM

That prick Ahers, he is a disgrace and an embarrassment.

opinion guy · 10-07-2010 09:05PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

As this was copy and pasted from the FF website, it doesn't tell anyone why he's burning in hell.:P

Lol. Snared. Love it.

ballsymchugh · 10-07-2010 09:20PM

caseyann wrote: »

Haughey became Minister for Justice in the early 1960s and his achievements in the post were widely praised. These achievements included the introduction of the Succession Act, which protected the inheritance rights of wives. He effectively abolished the death penalty in 1963. Haughey introduced the Succession Bill in 1964 which removed discrimination against women in inheritance rights. As Minister for Finance he introduced free electricity and free transport for old age pensioners.
Charlie Haughey appointed Máire Geoghegan Quinn to his cabinet, the first woman cabinet minister since Constance Markievicz. He co-established the Anglo-Irish framework to explore the totality of relationships between Ireland and Britain. Charlie Haughey was a patron of the arts, establishing Aosdána, giving tax exemptions to creative writers and artists, and removing VAT from books.
He established the Irish Financial Services Centre (IFSC); saved Temple Bar and turned it into a tourist and cultural quarter and set up the National Treasury Management Agency. In 1990 under his leadership Ireland enjoyed a very successful European Presidency at the time of German re-unification. Haughey opened the new Government Buildings in 1991. Under Charlie Haughey’s leadership, Fianna Fáil entered coalition government for the first time with the Progressive Democrats in 1989.
Forgot a few things he did do for this country.:rolleyes:

like bertie, the most creative writer of them all.

VinnyTGM · 10-07-2010 09:20PM

Bertie is a great man, look at the booming country he left us, full of wealth and crime free.

If it worked for him, then anyone should get off on that excuse.

Liam Byrne · 10-07-2010 09:20PM

caseyann wrote: »

Forgot a few things he did do for this country.:rolleyes:

Any chance of a non-partisan, objective summary of the con-man ?

http://ardmayle.blogspot.com/2005/07/haugheys-legacy.html

http://www.rte.ie/news/ob_cjhaughey.html

caseyann · 10-07-2010 09:40PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

If you look close enough at the key areas haughey improved you can be pretty sure he had friends or financial stakes in some of those areas!

Death penalty been abolished? And rights of the woman?
Right forget the key things that didnt line his pockets.He gave a damn about this country he never made the Irish suffer.Making the beginning of better relations with Britain?
Bertie and his cronies did and do.

caseyann · 10-07-2010 09:41PM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Any chance of a non-partisan, objective summary of the con-man ?

http://ardmayle.blogspot.com/2005/07/haugheys-legacy.html

http://www.rte.ie/news/ob_cjhaughey.html

No one said he didnt get greedy,he didnt run the country into the ground though did he?

George Orwell 1982 · 10-07-2010 09:42PM

Caoimhín wrote: »

That prick Ahers, he is a disgrace and an embarrassment.

Did anyone see Bertie on the programme about the PDs a few weeks back. I can't believe he is still commenting as if he is a perfectly respectable person.

George Orwell 1982 · 10-07-2010 09:43PM

caseyann wrote: »

No one said he didnt get greedy,he didnt run the country into the ground though did he?

It was never out of the ground at that point.

George Orwell 1982 · 10-07-2010 09:45PM

caseyann wrote: »

Haughey became Minister for Justice in the early 1960s and his achievements in the post were widely praised. These achievements included the introduction of the Succession Act, which protected the inheritance rights of wives. He effectively abolished the death penalty in 1963. Haughey introduced the Succession Bill in 1964 which removed discrimination against women in inheritance rights. As Minister for Finance he introduced free electricity and free transport for old age pensioners.
Charlie Haughey appointed Máire Geoghegan Quinn to his cabinet, the first woman cabinet minister since Constance Markievicz. He co-established the Anglo-Irish framework to explore the totality of relationships between Ireland and Britain. Charlie Haughey was a patron of the arts, establishing Aosdána, giving tax exemptions to creative writers and artists, and removing VAT from books.
He established the Irish Financial Services Centre (IFSC); saved Temple Bar and turned it into a tourist and cultural quarter and set up the National Treasury Management Agency. In 1990 under his leadership Ireland enjoyed a very successful European Presidency at the time of German re-unification. Haughey opened the new Government Buildings in 1991. Under Charlie Haughey’s leadership, Fianna Fáil entered coalition government for the first time with the Progressive Democrats in 1989.
Forgot a few things he did do for this country.:rolleyes:

He was also a corrupt power hungry bastárd.

caseyann · 10-07-2010 09:48PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

As this was copy and pasted from the FF website, it doesn't tell anyone why he's burning in hell.:P

I think obviously it was copied and pasted from somewhere:rolleyes: didnt say it wasnt.
He isnt buring in hell for taking money off rich people nor did he wreck the country for his own ends.

Gunsfortoys · 10-07-2010 09:50PM

caseyann wrote: »

I think obviously it was copied and pasted from somewhere:rolleyes: didnt say it wasnt.
He isnt buring in hell for taking money off rich people nor did he wreck the country for his own ends.

And what he did to lenihan was just him helping the country out? Get a clue.

The Aussie · 10-07-2010 09:50PM

George Orwell 1982 wrote: »

It was never out of the ground at that point.

Whats the term used for blokes who ride a corpse??? Charlie, charlie put that shovel down...

steddyeddy · 10-07-2010 09:54PM

I remember him talking about people relying on the state too much for money considering how he paid for his lifestyle thats rich.

caseyann · 10-07-2010 10:04PM

George Orwell 1982 wrote: »

It was never out of the ground at that point.

Give me a break he paved the way for majority of the people in this country and the celtic tiger.(the ones who came after wrecked it)He made Irelands name good internationally.

Gunsfortoys · 10-07-2010 10:14PM

caseyann wrote: »

Give me a break he paved the way for majority of the people in this country and the celtic tiger.(the ones who came after wrecked it)He made Irelands name good internationally.

Dodging the tough questions is fast becoming a trait of yours. I will ask again....And what he did to lenihan was just him helping the country out?

mikemac · 10-07-2010 10:14PM

Did work on developing the IFSC
Over 10,000 people work there, I'd consider that an achievement

It was once a run down part of the docklands
And the new social housing looks great, they are very nice houses that the residents got so they weren't hard done by if they had to move from the houses and flats

ejmaztec · 10-07-2010 10:15PM

caseyann wrote: »

I think obviously it was copied and pasted from somewhere:rolleyes: didnt say it wasnt.
He isnt buring in hell for taking money off rich people nor did he wreck the country for his own ends.

He didn't care where his money came from, and anything that he did do, was all done to pump up his image. It didn't cost him anything, only the tax-payer.

He lectured in shadiness around the FF circuit, and as can be seen by the mess that we're in, he was a good teacher.

George Orwell 1982 · 10-07-2010 10:22PM

caseyann wrote: »

Give me a break he paved the way for majority of the people in this country and the celtic tiger.(the ones who came after wrecked it)He made Irelands name good internationally.

The celtic tiger came about following the coming together or a number of favourable factors and circumstances. Low corporation tax, well educated workforce with low wage rates, a boom in the US, and later low interest rates when we joined the euro. Haughey's role in all of this was what now?

Gunsfortoys · 10-07-2010 10:23PM

Being a woman, caseyann has chosen to avoid the questions.:D

George Orwell 1982 · 10-07-2010 10:25PM

feelingstressed wrote: »

Did work on developing the IFSC
Over 10,000 people work there, I'd consider that an achievement

It was once a run down part of the docklands
And the new social housing looks great, they are very nice houses that the residents got so they weren't hard done by if they had to move from the houses and flats

Good for Haughey then. Most people would recognise he did a lot of good things in his time. But he had major flaws. He was corrupt and greedy. He stole state money, he stole money from his friend's cancer fund. He was also a hyprocrite - telling people to tighten their belts while he lived it up.

caseyann · 10-07-2010 10:27PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

He didn't care where his money came from, and anything that he did do, was all done to pump up his image. It didn't cost him anything, only the tax-payer.

He lectured in shadiness around the FF circuit, and as can be seen by the mess that we're in, he was a good teacher.

He warned of the government spending,and warned what would happen with the living beyond means.Did he or did he not?

Funny he didnt last to much longer,i wonder why :rolleyes:they didnt like idea of implementing cuts to the government spending.

Gunsfortoys · 10-07-2010 10:29PM

caseyann wrote: »

He warned of the government spending,and warned what would happen with the living beyond means.Did he or did he not?

Funny he didnt last to much longer,i wonder why :rolleyes:they didnt like idea of implementing cuts to the government spending.

While he was living it up in the government, it's all very well saying the government is spending too much money, he was in charge of the ****ing government. Jesus the ignorance.

caseyann · 10-07-2010 10:30PM

Gunsfortoys wrote: »

Dodging the tough questions is fast becoming a trait of yours. I will ask again....And what he did to lenihan was just him helping the country out?

I am busy and cant reply in detail,i will though,and i don't recall ever avoiding a question from you before,so how do you know its a trait of mine?

ejmaztec · 10-07-2010 10:31PM

caseyann wrote: »

He warned of the government spending,and warned what would happen with the living beyond means.Did he or did he not?

Funny he didnt last to much longer,i wonder why :rolleyes:they didnt like idea of implementing cuts to the government spending.

Wasn't he telling everyone to tighten their belts for the good of the country, at the same time that he was shovelling cash into the boot of his Merc? He should have been canonised.:o

Gunsfortoys · 10-07-2010 10:32PM

caseyann wrote: »

I am busy and cant reply in detail,i will though,and i don't recall ever avoiding a question from you before,so how do you know its a trait of mine?

With that long pointless question, you could have simply answered mine. You have managed to take time away to answer all the others so don't give me the "i'm busy" crap.

caseyann · 10-07-2010 10:37PM

Gunsfortoys wrote: »

With that long pointless question, you could have simply answered mine. You have managed to take time away to answer all the others so don't give me the "i'm busy" crap.

I lol'd

Gunsfortoys · 10-07-2010 10:38PM

caseyann wrote: »

I lol'd

Glad you're amused, now get back to the ironing.

caseyann · 10-07-2010 10:38PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

Wasn't he telling everyone to tighten their belts for the good of the country, at the same time that he was shovelling cash into the boot of his Merc? He should have been canonised.:o

He was shoveling money into the boot of his merc,pretty smart man he was at least it was out of rich back pockets and not out of the tax payers back pockets.

The Bertie Ahern defense, now used by Ireland's top criminals

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