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Report on attitudes to travellers published.

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  • #152
    genericguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭genericguy


    Nodin wrote: »
    It appears you've a large number of pre-conceived notions with regards to travellers. I'd say they just have to appear, rather than "appear to threaten or intimidate" to be refused service by you.

    yeah yeah yeah, if the man had said that he refused a gang of tracksuit warriors and they threw a glass at him, you'd be saying they had no right to act like that, call the cops, lock 'em up...

    but no, travellers attack somebody, and the bleeding hearts look for excuses to absolve them of blame.


  • #153
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Nijmegen wrote: »
    I think 1 person has advocated some sort of crazy nutjob final solution.

    ...and others have just compared them to animals and made other massive generalisations....


  • #154
    genericguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭genericguy


    Nodin wrote: »
    ...and others have just compared them to animals and made other massive generalisations....

    having read a large number of your posts here which have attempted to defend the indefensible, i have developed a preconceived notion of the type of domicile in which you reside.


  • #155
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    genericguy wrote: »
    having read a large number of your posts here which have attempted to defend the indefensible, i have developed a preconceived notion of the type of domicile in which you reside.

    Yeah. Over the years I've been told I'm Jewish, muslim, catholic, protestant, Lebanese Australian, Australian aboriginal, Arab, gay, an anti-semite, a holocaust denier and female. For further comedy gold some times two of the above have occurred simultaneously on the same board, albeit on different threads.

    O, and imagine my gaff with a big library with decent shelves. I always wanted something like that.


  • #156
    Nijmegen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    Well Nodin, I'd like them to simply obey the law and pay taxes the same as you and I.


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  • #157
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    I'd like the ones who break the law to stop doing what they do as well.


  • #158
    fonecrusher1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    Lets face it folks, if you owned your own home & found out travellers were being moved in nextdoor you would hit the feckin roof with worry.

    It would be a life changing event. But not in a good way.

    Oh & this talk of recognising travellers as a race....biggest load of oul rubbish ive ever heard.:rolleyes:

    Seperate race my hole. Christ they'd love that.


  • #159
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    fonecrusher1 wrote: »
    Lets face it folks, if you owned your own home & found out travellers were being moved in nextdoor you would hit the feckin roof with worry.

    It would be a life changing event. But not in a good way.

    Oh come on now! Life changing event? Over exaggerating much?

    I can think of far worrying things that could happen like say death in the family, financial ruin, a relative being jailed, a relative becoming seriously ill etc.

    These are life changing events. But a traveller moving in next door? A bit of a nusciance maybe if they're bad sorts but life changing.....get a grip :rolleyes:


  • #160
    aDeener
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    i'd like to know whether anyone here disagrees that the level of crime is far higher in travelling communities than in settled ones?


  • #161
    javaboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    Oh come on now! Life changing event? Over exaggerating much?

    I can think of far worrying things that could happen like say death in the family, financial ruin, a relative being jailed, a relative becoming seriously ill etc.

    These are life changing events. But a traveller moving in next door? A bit of a nusciance maybe if they're bad sorts but life changing.....get a grip :rolleyes:

    I know of two families whose lives were pretty much shattered by bad neighbours moving in. One had just started a business from home and clients would no longer come out because of the environment.

    In neither case were the neighbours travellers but you've obviously no idea just how much of an effect on your life truly bad neighbours can have.


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  • #162
    aDeener
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    Nodin wrote: »
    Yep, "tip toe"
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2002/0902/travellers.html
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0703/ballina.html
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/travellers-awarded-4500--in-pub-discrimination-case-296216.html
    http://books.google.ie/books?id=dJZYlGONiYMC&pg=PA60&lpg=PA60&dq=traveller+awarded+discrimination&source=bl&ots=nkxrL7kTdf&sig=UbbheIFDbXfVtmKxgWz57ufEmqw&hl=en&ei=-042TP6qL5TNjAfcz_XnAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CCgQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=traveller%20awarded%20discrimination&f=false

    did you watch the frontline? people were afraid to come on to voice their true feelings on them. i wonder why that was....


  • #163
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    javaboy wrote: »
    I know of two families whose lives were pretty much shattered by bad neighbours moving in. One had just started a business from home and clients would no longer come out because of the environment.

    In neither case were the neighbours travellers but you've obviously no idea just how much of an effect on your life truly bad neighbours can have.

    Ok but still the fact that your neighbour is a traveller does not mean you are in for trouble. In fact any time I've heard of bad neighbours they're settled people, like the ones you yourself have mentioned.

    There more worrying things in life than having a traveller move in next dorr imo.


  • #164
    javaboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    Ok but still the fact that your neighbour is a traveller does not mean you are in for trouble. In fact any time I've heard of bad neighbours they're settled people, like the ones you yourself have mentioned.

    There more worrying things in life than having a traveller move in next dorr imo.

    Of course there are worse things. Don't think anyone would argue otherwise. It can still be life changing.
    As for most bad neighbours being settled, I should hope so. The vast majority of new neighbours will be settled anyway. So it follows that most bad neighbours will be settled too. What would be useful to know is the percentages of bad neighbours among each group. Only then can you make a valid comparison.


  • #165
    genericguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭genericguy


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    There more worrying things in life than having a traveller move in next dorr imo.

    yeah, like aids. but which is more likely to happen?

    and the reason you hear about people having bad neighbours who are settled people (lets call them 'normal') as opposed to travellers is because there are more settled people than travellers living in houses. i guarantee you that percentage of settled people who are bad neighbours out of the total of settled people is much much much lower than the proportion of travellers who are bad neighbours.

    and personally, if i were to see a house i wanted to buy, with travellers living next door, i wouldn't even phone the house, let alone buy it.

    *i'm slow at typing, but yeah, what javaboy said.


  • #166
    fonecrusher1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    But a traveller moving in next door? A bit of a nusciance maybe if they're bad sorts but life changing.....get a grip :rolleyes:

    Nah thats bullsh!t. Im hearing lots of accounts of people's lives being turned upside down because travellers have been moved into their neighborhood. Are they all lying?


  • #167
    oldyouth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,754 ✭✭✭oldyouth


    Traveller Children endure a higher mortality rate. If I kept my children in damp, cold unsanitary conditions, they would be taken in to care.

    There is a higher capitation grant given to schools for traveller children than settled children. The local school principal got out in his car to canvass travellers from mile around to enrol in his school because he could become what is known a a walking principal (didn't have to teach) if he got a sufficient quota.

    If travellers are 'Traders' why are they not registered for VAT or making tax returns. More importantly, how are they allowed to drive up to the dole office in 4x4s with signage advertising tarmac contracting.

    If I kept my kids out of school to go on a road trip, the truant officer would haul me to court.

    Why is there a fast track housing scheme for travellers where instant funds are available should they wish to be housed.

    How come travellers are allowed to sue for discrimination for not being treated like the settled community while in the same breath trying to establish that they are entitled to be considered different to the settled community

    I could go on but I'm getting angrier by the minute


  • #168
    Naomh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55 ✭✭Naomh


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    Oh come on now! Life changing event? Over exaggerating much?

    I can think of far worrying things that could happen like say death in the family, financial ruin, a relative being jailed, a relative becoming seriously ill etc.

    These are life changing events. But a traveller moving in next door? A bit of a nusciance maybe if they're bad sorts but life changing.....get a grip :rolleyes:

    Are you for real?


  • #169
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Naomh wrote: »
    Are you for real?
    Are you joking?


  • #170
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    Naomh wrote: »
    Are you for real?

    Yes why?

    I just think there are far worse things than having a traveller living next door that's all.


  • #171
    easyeason3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,104 ✭✭✭easyeason3


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    Yes why?

    I just think there are far worse things than having a traveller living next door that's all.


    Like?


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  • #172
    Elevator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 844 ✭✭✭Elevator


    I tolerate them until the cross the line, have had my fair few run ins with the travelling community down thru the years which turned a corner 2 years ago when I finally snapped and fought back against a few of them on a local bus hassling an African lady,

    was a hero that day when they all left the bus and none of them have even looked twice at me since


  • #173
    Naomh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55 ✭✭Naomh


    biko wrote: »
    Are you joking?
    Absolutely not, having known a few young coulpes with young kids who bought houses in estates where the houses that werent sold were purchased by the local authority to house travellers and seen the ensuing mayhem for myself. I was quite serious.
    I found ahs quote to be a bit off the cuff without actually thinking about what could happen in that situation or...... that she wasnt serious


  • #174
    javaboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    Yes why?

    I just think there are far worse things than having a traveller living next door that's all.

    Not being as bad as cancer isn't exactly a shining endorsement.


  • #175
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    easyeason3 wrote: »
    Like?

    Like having a child molester/murderer/rapist/drug baron living next door for instance.

    Or having a family member get sick or die.

    Or losing your home.

    Or getting in trouble with the law.

    Or about a million other things I could mention.

    And for the record I am aware of what could happen if the travellers were a bad lot but NOT ALL of them are.


  • #176
    fonecrusher1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    Like having a child molester/murderer/rapist/drug baron living next door for instance.

    Or having a family member get sick or die.

    Or losing your home.

    Or getting in trouble with the law.

    Or about a million other things I could mention.

    So what your saying is travellers aren't as bad as this list of completely off-topic situations/ criminals, so they're not a bad bunch really?

    Thats like seeing someone break their neck in an accident & saying to them "sure at least you don't have terminal cancer".

    Its meaningless.


  • #177
    easyeason3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,104 ✭✭✭easyeason3


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    Like having a child molester/murderer/rapist/drug baron living next door for instance.

    Or having a family member get sick or die.

    Or losing your home.

    Or getting in trouble with the law.

    Or about a million other things I could mention.

    And for the record I am aware of what could happen if the travellers were a bad lot but NOT ALL of them are.

    And I would have a huge problem if a child molester/ murderer/ rapist/ drug baron was living beside me too. I would feel the exact same about the above as I would about Travellers moving in. I don't like to discriminate in that regard.
    But if I'm working my arse off paying for a house I bought then yeah you can be damn sure I'll have a massive problem if someone moved in that posed a threat to me or my home.


  • #178
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    fonecrusher1 wrote: »
    So what your saying is travellers aren't as bad as this list of completely off-topic situations/ criminals, so they're not a bad bunch really?

    Thats like seeing someone break their neck in an accident & saying to them "sure at least you don't have terminal cancer".

    Its meaningless.

    No. What I'm basically saying is that if it were me it wouldn't bother me to have a traveller living next door and unless there was reason to be worried I wouldn't go kicking up a fuss about it.

    To me there are more important things to worry about.


  • #179
    The_Minister
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    I think we can all be proud that a thread on attitudes towards travellers has outlasted a thread on Stephen Gately, and has done so with considerably more restraint. :D


  • #180
    The Waltzing Consumer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭The Waltzing Consumer


    The_Minister wrote: »
    I think we can all be proud that a thread on attitudes towards travellers has outlasted a thread on Stephen Gately, and has done so with considerably more restraint. :D

    Dead people can't sue ;)


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  • #181
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Why would anyone be bothered that much about travellers living net door to them when if they are what their name suggests they arent going to be around for very long.
    TomTom wrote: »
    99% give the rest a bad name.
    Eh :confused:
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Well, Who do you think runs the illegal drug trade

    Given that this is AH should the statement above be regarded as defamatory or complimentary :pac:


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