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Report on attitudes to travellers published.

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  • #32
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,583 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Rojomcdojo wrote: »
    Would you be saying that if you owned the field?

    That's neither here nor there. They haven't been moved on and have been there every summer for the last 3 years at least so maybe whoever does own the field doesn't have an issue with it. I'm just sharing my own experience rather than painting them all with the same brush and calling them despicable criminals


  • #33
    timelessone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 ✭timelessone


    Anyone see the photo on page 4 of the Irish Times today and the accompanying story?

    (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0708/1224274266509.html)

    I'd say the bar owners would have something to say about Fr. MacGreil's study.


  • #34
    mikemac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,968 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    Mr Roe’s niece, Rachael McDonagh, heard David say, “F*** Willie and f*** his bar, I am the barman now”, and a female member of the group started clapping.

    Why isn't that women being charged too? She pushed them on, incitement maybe? I don't know which she could be charged with.
    She isn't blameless


  • #35
    Nijmegen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    From the article:
    He heard furniture being smashed and people calling out “Travellers’ rights”.

    I've seen this before. Travellers going on about being proud to be travellers whilst doing something they know to be criminal. They're proud of it.
    Defence counsel for the seven men submitted that they had expressed remorse for the incident and each had brought to court sums of money as compensation which together totalled approximately €9,000.

    Add a zero before the comma and you have the damage. But travellers never pay for their mess.


  • #36
    TomTom
    Hosted Moderators Posts: 3,290 ✭✭✭TomTom


    99% give the rest a bad name. I went to school with some travelers that were grand but since then I have been assulted, windows broken, car pissed all over. Had a wedding party on my front lawn using it as a boxing ring. Seen a full scale riot break out in our town. Garda being assaulted and the guy that did it being cheered. I reckon you enrole in eduacation and try be a member of sociey or you get back in your 2010 Transit and **** off with yourself over the cliffs.

    It can't be just where I live as I've seen it all over the country.


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  • #37
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    robbie_998 wrote: »
    They have a rented house next door to me and its the worst fecking thing ever... nothing but trouble...

    very loud

    kids left home alone,

    eldest lad about 15 left to mind the 4 or 5 kids younger than him while pissed

    out of his head and all locked out of the house with the few month old baby

    screaming crying in the bed room.

    kids tried breaking into my shed.

    always out my back garden even though its surrounded by walls.

    originally only meant to be 4 people in total living in the house according to
    the land lord but its actually 8 or 9 of them in there !

    kids sitting in bedroom window out front shouting at and slagging people as they walk by the house... swearing and what not.

    i recall one of the small kids hitting a guy with a 2x4 as he walked by... didn't go down well and there was a lot of shouting.

    constantly driving home at night to find a flat bed transit blocking up both their garden and mine and they refuse to move for 15 mins until their finished talking so i can't get into my drive !

    i've made the decision that every time these things happen the gardai are getting called.

    ^ all a part of their culture STFU


  • #38
    DonJose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,470 ✭✭✭DonJose


    Had to laugh when I saw a related story in the Indo,

    State 'has fostered Traveller apartheid'
    SOCIETY'S failure to emancipate Travellers must rank as "one of the most serious social embarrassments" in the State's 86 years of independence, a hard-hitting report has claimed....
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/state-has-fostered-traveller-apartheid-2250357.html

    Then further down there is another story.

    €90,000 bill for repairs as brothers wreck local pub
    Seven brothers were among a group of people who violently took over a pub and caused €90,000 of damage in a scene like a battle zone, a court heard yesterday...

    Mr Roe said he would come down to the pub and on his way met a garda and told him of the situation. Mr Roe waited outside while the garda went inside. He heard furniture being smashed and people calling out: "Travellers' rights."
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/euro90000-bill-for-repairs-as-brothers-wreck-local-pub-2250264.html


  • #39
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    timelessone wrote: »
    Anyone see the photo on page 4 of the Irish Times today and the accompanying story?

    (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0708/1224274266509.html)

    I'd say the bar owners would have something to say about Fr. MacGreil's study.

    That couldn't be right. The poor innocent traveller community are all angels and would never dream of doing such a thing.

    Then travellers complain when pub owners are somewhat hesitant about letting them drink in their pubs. You cant have it every way in life.


  • #40
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,645 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    €90,000 bill for repairs as brothers wreck local pub

    guess the sentence anyone?

    10 days - suspended.
    They sure as hell won't have to pay any compensation over :mad:


  • #41
    genericguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭genericguy


    DonJose wrote: »
    Had to laugh when I saw a related story in the Indo,

    State 'has fostered Traveller apartheid'
    SOCIETY'S failure to emancipate Travellers must rank as "one of the most serious social embarrassments" in the State's 86 years of independence, a hard-hitting report has claimed....
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/state-has-fostered-traveller-apartheid-2250357.html

    Then further down there is another story.

    €90,000 bill for repairs as brothers wreck local pub
    Seven brothers were among a group of people who violently took over a pub and caused €90,000 of damage in a scene like a battle zone, a court heard yesterday...

    Mr Roe said he would come down to the pub and on his way met a garda and told him of the situation. Mr Roe waited outside while the garda went inside. He heard furniture being smashed and people calling out: "Travellers' rights."
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/euro90000-bill-for-repairs-as-brothers-wreck-local-pub-2250264.html


    travellers' rights? my fooking hole - how about we start by giving them the right to the same treatment as the rest of us, without pussyfooting around them and their 'customs'. remember the government coming up with a conflict resolution committee last year to stop them slashing each other with hooks and machetes? how about we treat them as equals and lock them up?

    furthermore i'd send a fooking message by asking them to provide detailed accounts indicating the origin of the moneys they brought to court, where they got it, what tax was paid etc.


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  • #42
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    guess the sentence anyone?

    10 days - suspended.
    They sure as hell won't have to pay any compensation over :mad:

    Quite the obession with suspended sentence there.


  • #43
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    rovert wrote: »
    Quite the obession with suspended sentence there.

    He should be a judge. He's already a jury & excecutioner, so it'd make sense. :D


  • #44
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Deleted User wrote: »
    90% of them are involved in crime.

    We really have to replace the CSO with somebodys ass - you can pull any oul figure out of it to suit ye, and it would be a fraction of the cost to run.


  • #45
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Deleted User wrote: »
    90% of them are involved in crime.
    easyeason3 wrote: »
    Fcuking knackers. I hate them :mad:

    This a warning. From here on comments like these will result in bans.

    1. If you have an allegation to make, make sure you have numbers to back you up.
    2. General mudslinging will be met with extreme prejudice.


  • #46
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    starbelgrade wrote: »
    He should be a judge. He's already a jury & excecutioner, so it'd make sense. :D

    I hope he never sits on a jury thats all Ill say.


  • #47
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    rovert wrote: »
    I hope he never sits on a jury thats all Ill say.

    It'd be like "12 Angry Men", only with 1 very, very angry man.


  • #48
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    So anyway back to piling on a easy target.


  • #49
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,292 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    My family moved into a different area a few years ago, and we tried to get our young kids into a local school in the middle of the school term. The school told us that we'd have to wait until the next term started, unless of course we were travellers, in which case there would be no problem with our kids starting straight away.

    If all people were treated equally, there would be an awful lot less trouble and ill-feeling.


  • #50
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    My family moved into a different area a few years ago, and we tried to get our young kids into a local school in the middle of the school term. The school told us that we'd have to wait until the next term started, unless of course we were travellers, in which case there would be no problem with our kids starting straight away.

    If all people were treated equally, there would be an awful lot less trouble and ill-feeling.

    I think the reason above is a reason for trouble and ill-feeling traveller enrolement into education should be a priority.


  • #51
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,292 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    rovert wrote: »
    I think the reason above is a reason for trouble and ill-feeling traveller enrolement into education should be a priority.

    :confused:


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  • #52
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    :confused:

    Whoops

    I think the reason above isnt a reason for trouble and ill-feeling as traveller enrolement into education should be a priority.


  • #53
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    rovert wrote: »
    Whoops

    I think the reason above isnt a reason for trouble and ill-feeling as traveller enrolement into education should be a priority.
    Should they not be treated equally to all other children? That's not really setting a good example for them.


  • #54
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    humanji wrote: »
    Should they not be treated equally to all other children? That's not really setting a good example for them.

    Who is saying anything about equality?

    Who is more likely not to return to education a settled child or traveller child after being removed from the system for any amount of time? Education will set the tone for the rest of their lives.


  • #55
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nodin wrote: »
    We really have to replace the CSO with somebodys ass - you can pull any oul figure out of it to suit ye, and it would be a fraction of the cost to run.

    Well, Who do you think runs the illegal drug trade in Ireland( apart from Dublin, Cork and Limerick)?


  • #56
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    rovert wrote: »
    Who is saying anything about equality?

    Who is more likely not to return to education a settled child or traveller child after being removed from the system for any amount of time? Education will set the tone for the rest of their lives.
    That applies to settled children too. If there's space for a child in a class, then any child should be allowed to take it. It's positive descrimination.


  • #57
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,292 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    humanji wrote: »
    Should they not be treated equally to all other children? That's not really setting a good example for them.

    Absolutely, equality all round and no messing.


  • #58
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,645 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    starbelgrade wrote: »
    He should be a judge. He's already a jury & excecutioner, so it'd make sense. :D

    I should be, no need for the jury then, straight to the executioner!


  • #59
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don't have much respect for a tradition that treats women as second class citizens. I don't see why we have people giving out about women wearing a hajib and not about the way traveller women are treated.


  • #60
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,645 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    rovert wrote: »
    Quite the obession with suspended sentence there.

    huh?
    how'd you figure that?


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  • #61
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Well, Who do you think runs the illegal drug trade in Ireland( apart from Dublin, Cork and Limerick)?

    The CSO? :eek: The bastards!


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