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should asylum seekers have any rights

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    eightyfish wrote: »
    Hang them all... then throw away the key?
    Goes to show the level of stupidity that overcomes people when they are angry and miserable and turn into bigots

    .....

    I was joking, Im making fun of the "he is clearly guilty" mentality of some AHers.

    I guess other posters are as dense in other ways too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,100 ✭✭✭eightyfish


    rovert wrote: »
    I was joking

    Yeah so was I, in terms of taking the piss out of your post. Sorry if that wasn't clear. I think we need a "sarcastic" font.


  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    eightyfish wrote: »
    *thinks*

    Yeah, I still think they should have a right to work. The way things stand, they are "taking money out of our pockets" and "quite happy to live a ghetto life and rely 100% on the state to support them", yet they have no choice in the matter.

    I know there are few jobs out there at the moment, how about asking asylum seekers to do council work on the street, and paying them for it.

    They come here and they cannot work. They are forced into a cycle of dependence and handouts. It's a psychological trap. Anyone who's been on the dole long term finds it very difficult to get back working. Starting them off in this country in this manor is problematic in the long term.

    Dear God.. You come out with worse Bs when you think about it.
    I don't really care, they shouldn't be here. Why can't Africa as a continent look after it's own like we do in Europe?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    eightyfish wrote: »
    Yeah so was I, in terms of taking the piss out of your post. Sorry if that wasn't clear. I think we need a "sarcastic" font.

    Fair enough I guess dermothickey lived up to his name.

    Ill use the sarcasm tag next time lest we have anymore confusion. :pac:
    Why can't Africa as a continent look after it's own like we do in Europe?

    .....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    panda100 wrote: »
    I think they should be given the right to work at the very least. How can anyone make a better life for themselves and their family living on €19 a week and no access to education and work?

    I met a lot of asylum seekers working as prostitutes through my volunteer work with rhuama.Very intelligent women forced to sell their bodies because they were denied work permits so could only work illegaly.
    Anyone begrudging human beings their full right to life,work and dignity are the ones fu*cking up this country imo.

    I am sorry ,but you go on the game its your decision if not forced into it by been trafficked.I know plenty of girls who live on little or nothing a week and they aren't on the game.
    Having free food and living not to mention clothes etc.. does not force you into prostitution and free money.
    I have known girls like this cry me a river story.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    Personally i think calling for a hunger strike for been moved out of there and into the community,is if anything suspicious only and not inhumane.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭Andrew33


    It's a fair bit of bollucks alright.. The only reason anyone from africa would here of ireland is because of our benefits being thrown at anyone and everyone.

    Anyone and everyone provided you're not self employed and Irish you mean.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    this idea that they should be allowed work is pure unadulterated nonsense. they're ASYLUM SEEKERS! they have no right to be here as yet. they are well looked after (look at biggins description of mosney) and dont want for anything.

    yeah, let them work, then the whole f'uckin world knows we've opened our doors to everybody to just arrive and hey presto, you're treated like a full citizen.

    jesus people, cop on. we're a sovereign country, not a very large drop in centre.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭Andrew33


    They should have the right,

    THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,100 ✭✭✭eightyfish


    I don't really care, they shouldn't be here.

    Ah, so that's what you really think.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,015 ✭✭✭CreepingDeath


    Goes to show the level of stupidity that overcomes people when they are angry and miserable and turn into bigots

    450,000 people unemployed and you want to accept more people into the country :rolleyes:

    Not everyone is stupid, angry and miserable who comments against immigration.

    I'm educated and have a good job.
    I'm looking at the situation from a calm intellectual unemotional point of view.

    When you start bringing emotions into it, you're the one who loses your objectivity.


  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Andrew33 wrote: »
    Anyone and everyone provided you're not self employed and Irish you mean.

    You don't have to be Irish to get benefits.. This very thread is about asylum seekers being housed, fed and clothed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 489 ✭✭dermothickey


    rovert wrote: »
    Fair enough I guess dermothickey lived up to his name.

    Ill use the sarcasm tag next time lest we have anymore confusion. :pac:



    .....

    I was agreeing with how you pointed out the post previous to that. You've managed to confuse yourselves


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    eightyfish wrote: »
    Ah, so that's what you really think.

    so?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    But in answer to question of original OP,yes any genuine asylum seeker should be entitled to work and not claim for free.And the mind boggles at why they are even in mosney as long as they are :confused:
    They should have been checked out and either found refugees or not.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    I was agreeing with how you pointed out the post previous to that. You've managed to confuse yourselves

    Sure dude


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,967 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    Ireland has a naturalization process.
    You get a job, you have skills and wait to be processed, it takes a number of years and then you are welcome as an Irish citizen.
    The main example I know is Dr. Constantin Gurdgiev who works at Trinity college, he is constantly on TV and writing newspaper articles. He is from Moscow.
    Before my time but I heard in the 1980's there were rich people able to buy Irish passports ;)

    I can understand Ireland taking in people from conflicts like the former Yugoslavia. Many atrocities happened there, Irish troops served there so we have a connection and it's Europe after all.

    If you are in Africa, how much information do you realy have on a small wind swept island on the edge of Europe?
    Why choose Ireland I'm wondering? English speaking a suppose may be a factor, is that it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 489 ✭✭dermothickey


    Yeah Im sure


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    caseyann wrote: »
    But in answer to question of original OP,yes any genuine asylum seeker should be entitled to work and not claim for free.And the mind boggles at why they are even in mosney as long as they are :confused:
    They should have been checked out and either found refugees or not.

    are you (and others on here) seriously suggesting that anyone who turns up here without a visa should be allowed work?

    c'mon people, does nobody else see a fundamental flaw with this line of thinking?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,100 ✭✭✭eightyfish


    yeah, let them work, then the whole f'uckin world knows we've opened our doors to everybody to just arrive and hey presto, you're treated like a full citizen.

    Okay, so "Come to Ireland and you get free accommodation and food" is less appealing than "Come to Ireland and you will have to work in order to pay for your accommodation and food."

    How, exactly?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    It should also be noted that those at Mosney are 100% free to come and go as they please.
    Its a place to stay - not to imprison them.
    The state has awarded them living accommodation - the fact that its there is minor.
    They could have been sent anywhere else.

    The 150 single people that are now being moved to alternative accommodation, are being moved for very good reason.


  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    eightyfish wrote: »
    Ah, so that's what you really think.

    Yes it is. Problem?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭Andrew33


    You don't have to be Irish to get benefits.. This very thread is about asylum seekers being housed, fed and clothed.

    You missed the point completely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,078 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Personally I think that anyone who sincerely believes that these people are here to actually work and earn their way is naive. They are here to avail of whatever it is that they can get, and best of bloody luck to them if they can get it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,551 ✭✭✭panda100


    450,000 people unemployed and you want to accept more people into the country :rolleyes:

    Not everyone is stupid, angry and miserable who comments against immigration.

    I'm educated and have a good job.
    I'm looking at the situation from a calm intellectual unemotional point of view.

    When you start bringing emotions into it, you're the one who loses your objectivity.

    We're talking about real living human beings here,not cattle!

    Of course emotions come into it. Its this cold,calculated capitalist mentality that has f*cked up Ireland.

    Every human being has the right to food,clothingand shelter,and anyone to deny them that right shouldn't be functioning in our society tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    eightyfish wrote: »
    Okay, so "Come to Ireland and you get free accommodation and food" is less appealing than "Come to Ireland and you will have to work in order to pay for your accommodation and food."

    How, exactly?

    ok to shorten it down...you want to say to the world come to ireland without a visa and you can be treated like a citizen the second you step off the boat?

    yeah, lets just completely ignore national boundries :rolleyes:

    and 'come to ireland for free accomodation and food' means 'come to ireland seeking asylum and you will be treated like an asylum seeker until we've decided whether you can stay'...what the hells wrong with that!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    are you (and others on here) seriously suggesting that anyone who turns up here without a visa should be allowed work?

    c'mon people, does nobody else see a fundamental flaw with this line of thinking?

    AT least you would weed out who is here for the welfare and who is here to work straight off the mark wouldn't you?
    And no i am not suggesting that,i am suggesting they are scrupulously and thoroughly checked out and then allowed to work.I much prefer they work then live off state for 5 to 7 years while waiting for their citizenship.


  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Andrew33 wrote: »
    You missed the point completely.

    I went back and can't see what I missed...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,100 ✭✭✭eightyfish


    Yes it is. Problem?

    The thread is called "should assylum seekers have any rights ?" not "should we let asylum seekers into our country?"


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    I don't really care, they shouldn't be here. Why can't Africa as a continent look after it's own like we do in Europe?

    um.. how much are we borrowing from other countires to keep Ireland afloat?


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