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Passport as gaelge

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,015 ✭✭✭CreepingDeath


    We have all heard the story of the fella who got his passport changed to the Irish language version in order to avoid the taxman / immigration etc.

    Did he just come up to Dublin today for the match ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    He is a spy he didnt stick around :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭YourName


    I worked in the passport office previously, you need to be able to prove that you have been using this name for more than two years for it to be on your passport. They will also put your name from your birth cert on your passport, as that is technically your legal name. Also it will cause alarm bells if you want to change your name from what was on your previous passport, you will have to have a legitiamte reason, and proof that you use this name regularly for two or more years.

    Deed Poll causes all sorts of problems too as you havn't had that name for two years either, also your previous name will allways be on your passport too.

    Rock and a hard place my friend, might be easier to sort out the problems your having with entry to that country thatn try go around it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,803 ✭✭✭El Siglo


    I've posted this video before, so I'll do it again because using the Irish translation of your name can be quite precarious...;)
    "Micheál Ó Súilleabháin is ainm dom."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭gingelion


    Ta do mhamai i ngra le caca cais.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭ElaElaElano


    Is é mo thuraim, go bhfuil faighin ar abhas ar fád ag do bean chéile. Oh, an craic a bhí agaimse leis sin...duirt sí nach raibh sí abalta a chreidimh cád a bhí ag tarlú "síos ansin", now bhféidir is é do bod, y'know, atá níos lú na mo méirín beag...

    This is official language. You will be fine once you repeat this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭gingelion


    Is mise bart simpson. Ta m'athair, Homer, ag obair sa staisiun nuicleach.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭Dostoevsky


    We have all heard the story of the fella who got his passport changed to the Irish language version in order to avoid the taxman / immigration etc.
    Anybody got any real life experience with this - is it straight forward / what is involved. Experiencing some immigration problems abroad and am considering every route!!!!

    I put my passport in the Irish when I was in my late teens, but after I had visited the States once. When I presented my new Irish passport to the US immigration guy in Dublin airport he was able to tell me my name in English from his previous records so in this case anyway there must have been some numerical link between each passport.

    * I did not, I should add given this context, put my name in the Irish to avoid anybody but rather because I liked, and now love, Irish and at the time I thought it was embarrassing for me to be using a name the English gave my family when my family has its own name which has a long, meaningful and proud history. Edward Said's Orientalism, where he points out the coloniser's need to control the representation of the native via changing surnames, placenames etc was my turning point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,803 ✭✭✭El Siglo


    Cá bhfuil Mo dheinims dubha, agus M'Umbro Top?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭civis_liberalis


    I changed the name on my passport to English as it has caused me hassle in the past. It doesn't match up with my birth cert name as I was born in London and was registered with an English version of my name.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,803 ✭✭✭El Siglo


    Dostoevsky wrote: »
    That scene had people in tears when I saw it in Cineworld. Easily the most poignant in the entire movie.

    Grrrr - I can just hear a certain type of person go mad at the word 'movie' instead of 'film'.

    But I said "video" and not "movie".

    I too hate the word "movie", it's such an 'American-ism'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭Dostoevsky


    El Siglo wrote: »
    I've posted this video before, so I'll do it again because using the Irish translation of your name can be quite precarious...;)
    "Micheál Ó Súilleabháin is ainm dom."

    That "Micheál Ó Súilleabháin is ainm dom" (05.11) scene had people in tears when I saw it in Cineworld. Easily the most poignant scene in the entire movie.

    Grrrr - I can just hear a certain type of person go mad at the word 'movie' instead of 'film'.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    We have all heard the story of the fella who got his passport changed to the Irish language version in order to avoid the taxman / immigration etc.

    I haven't. Enlighten me.

    El Siglo was so angry he went back in time to post that response??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭YourName


    El Siglo wrote: »
    But I said "video" and not "movie".

    I too hate the word "movie", it's such an 'American-ism'.

    How did that happen.

    You quoted that before it was even posted ! ! !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭Dostoevsky


    El Siglo was so angry he went back in time to post that response??
    YourName wrote: »
    How did that happen.

    You quoted that before it was even posted ! ! !


    Magic ;).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭brianthebard


    Dostoevsky wrote: »
    Edward Said's Orientalism, where he points out the coloniser's need to control the representation of the native via changing surnames, placenames etc was my turning point.

    Woah woah woah, that's way to high brow for AH dude. *insert stool joke* :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,803 ✭✭✭El Siglo


    Dostoevsky wrote: »
    Magic ;).

    Eureka!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The flux capacitor worked!

    Take that Gentill Abdulla!!!:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭gaeilgegrinds1


    I get my tax done on the phone in less than 5 minutes every year. Everything gets done quicker through Irish in this country, fab! Even got out of a fine before as there was nobody available to talk to me about it in Irish, has served me unbelievably well. A true gift.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 Buachaillin


    My mate has his name in Irish on his Passport. American Border patrol found it a bit confusing :P

    No hoops to jump through as far as I can recall...

    Edit:

    Just re-read this bit of your post:



    Another country isn't letting you in and you want us to advise how you can get around that?

    Minor problems in US due to Cuban stamps in passport - this is more of a nuisance than anything else. The major issue is a work permit expiring and the need to get another in a Caribbean island. Essentially there is a maximum stay of 7 years and I have reached my limit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 Buachaillin


    Dostoevsky wrote: »
    I put my passport in the Irish when I was in my late teens, but after I had visited the States once. When I presented my new Irish passport to the US immigration guy in Dublin airport he was able to tell me my name in English from his previous records so in this case anyway there must have been some numerical link between each passport.
    .
    Did you have to prove that you used your gaeilge name for 2 years prior to applying as another poster suggests? That would prove difficult for me.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 Buachaillin


    YourName wrote: »
    How did that happen.

    You quoted that before it was even posted ! ! !

    Something to do with it being 5 o' clock somewhere, Margaritaville & the magical Jimmy Buffet I guess.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭McNuggy10


    Did you have to prove that you used your gaeilge name for 2 years prior to applying as another poster suggests? That would prove difficult for me.

    I did this 5 years ago when I had to get a passport for a 4th year class trip. I grew up going to the gaelteacht for 6 weeks every summer and just wanted my name in Irish. What the other guy said about needing 2 years proof thta you've been using it is somewhat true.

    I put my name down as Irish on the passport form, initially had a lot of hassle saying I couldnt get it because I hadnt been using it officially (i was only 15!!) for anything other than been known as my irish name in the gaelteacht and school. After my dad got onto them and gave a spiel about it being my legal right to use the Irish eqivalent of my name( dunno how true that is) they eventually gave me a temporary passport for a year.
    On it was my Irish name on the picture page. and on the last paper page my name was printed in english under the heading birth cert name.
    I was told I'd have to show proof of using the name when I was to reapply for a new passport.
    But reaplied again after 2 years and they hadnt a clue what I was on about when i said I have proof of use from the tax office(id gotten a job at this stage) and letter from the bank and school. And they jus reissued the passport in Irish with no hassle at all! :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭YourName


    McNuggy10 wrote: »
    I did this 5 years ago when I had to get a passport for a 4th year class trip. I grew up going to the gaelteacht for 6 weeks every summer and just wanted my name in Irish. What the other guy said about needing 2 years proof thta you've been using it is somewhat true.

    I put my name down as Irish on the passport form, initially had a lot of hassle saying I couldnt get it because I hadnt been using it officially (i was only 15!!) for anything other than been known as my irish name in the gaelteacht and school. After my dad got onto them and gave a spiel about it being my legal right to use the Irish eqivalent of my name( dunno how true that is) they eventually gave me a temporary passport for a year.
    On it was my Irish name on the picture page. and on the last paper page my name was printed in english under the heading birth cert name.
    I was told I'd have to show proof of using the name when I was to reapply for a new passport.
    But reaplied again after 2 years and they hadnt a clue what I was on about when i said I have proof of use from the tax office(id gotten a job at this stage) and letter from the bank and school. And they jus reissued the passport in Irish with no hassle at all! :rolleyes:

    Looks like just a slip under the net if you ask me, they would have just looked at the name on your previous passport and that is proof enough that you have been using that name, so it was all down to your Dads spiel on the phone. Personally would doubt if that would work now, much tighter these days, and if you mess with the system and get seen it will cause you more problems than ever.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 651 ✭✭✭TrollHammaren


    I have a habit of reanimating old threads...

    I applied for my new passport last week, and got a phonecall from a lady in the passport office saying that I need two sources of proof that I've been using my Irish name for two years, and she returned the form to me.

    Anyone recommend a way around this for me? I sent an email to the language commissioner so I'm hoping he'll be of some help.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 525 ✭✭✭Copper23


    We have all heard the story of the fella who got his passport changed to the Irish language version in order to avoid the taxman / immigration etc.
    Anybody got any real life experience with this - is it straight forward / what is involved. Experiencing some immigration problems abroad and am considering every route!!!!

    I've heard of people applying for things abroad under both english and irish names but I've also heard of people being caught doing it and it's not looked on too kindly. They can see it as a form of deception if they have records for you under 2 different names.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,706 ✭✭✭Blackjack


    I have a habit of reanimating old threads...

    I applied for my new passport last week, and got a phonecall from a lady in the passport office saying that I need two sources of proof that I've been using my Irish name for two years, and she returned the form to me.

    Anyone recommend a way around this for me? I sent an email to the language commissioner so I'm hoping he'll be of some help.

    Have you got any old bank statements or Utility bills?.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭msg11




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15 tbreath


    I'm chomh chomh chomh annoyed with these new passport rules.

    I went up to the passport office in Cork today to apply for a new passport (my old one expired in Feb). I planned to get it my Irish name which I've been using for years (albeit not in a very official capacity).

    As proof of usage I gave my driver's license, bank statement, flipping AA membership cards (all as gaeilge) and even a flipping DEED POLL from 2009 and I was denied it. The oldest documentation I had was 23 months old and they need to be a min of 2yrs old to be accepted. Now, due to time constraints, I have to apply for a ten year passport in a name I never use and no longer really identify myself with. Work, friends, the whole shebang is in Irish.

    I'm not a anal Gaeilgeoir, it's more about cultural identity, but I resent these new regulations which, as far as I know, withdraw my constitutional right to use my Irish name.

    If anybody has any advice on this I'd appreciate. I'm in a "talk-to-Joe" state of mind.

    Go raibh míle ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭LambsEye


    Níl aon tinteán mar do thinteán féin

    AGUS

    Bhí an ghrian ag spalpadh go hard sa spéir


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,794 ✭✭✭chillywilly


    tbreath wrote: »
    I'm chomh chomh chomh annoyed with these new passport rules.

    I went up to the passport office in Cork today to apply for a new passport (my old one expired in Feb). I planned to get it my Irish name which I've been using for years (albeit not in a very official capacity).

    As proof of usage I gave my driver's license, bank statement, flipping AA membership cards (all as gaeilge) and even a flipping DEED POLL from 2009 and I was denied it. The oldest documentation I had was 23 months old and they need to be a min of 2yrs old to be accepted. Now, due to time constraints, I have to apply for a ten year passport in a name I never use and no longer really identify myself with. Work, friends, the whole shebang is in Irish.

    I'm not a anal Gaeilgeoir, it's more about cultural identity, but I resent these new regulations which, as far as I know, withdraw my constitutional right to use my Irish name.

    If anybody has any advice on this I'd appreciate. I'm in a "talk-to-Joe" state of mind.

    Go raibh míle ;)

    Cad is ainm duit? Breathnach?


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