Kerry v Limerick - MSFC Final

donfers · 04-07-2010 08:56PM

Limerick have no chance when the GAA is full of refs like that, who fear taking action against the establishment counties...the fact that o se didn't get sent off is of course a disgrace but what's worse is the litany of soft frees awarded against limerick, jesus you'd swear you aren't allowed to touch the kerry lads but they can elbow you and throw forearm smashes and get away it, limerick should just give up, they never had a chance no matter how they played.

Browney7 · 04-07-2010 09:03PM

donfers wrote: »

Limerick have no chance when the GAA is full of refs like that, who fear taking action against the establishment counties...the fact that o se didn't get sent off is of course a disgrace but what's worse is the litany of soft frees awarded against limerick, jesus you'd swear you aren't allowed to touch the kerry lads but they can elbow you and throw forearm smashes and get away it, limerick should just give up, they never had a chance no matter how they played.

Ah in fairness thats a bit non nonsensical in fairness donfers. Look at Sligo there taking Galway and Mayo out in Connacht. Limerick just didn't take their chances when it was 1-14 apiece and Scan missed 2 45's to put us ahead.

teednab-el · 04-07-2010 09:08PM

Tomas O Se(Kerry) and Eamon O Hara(Sligo) will have to get some ban after those incidents on the sunday game. It would actually be an injustice to Paul Galvin if they werent treated the same way IMO.

dartbhoy · 04-07-2010 09:21PM

teednab-el wrote: »

Tomas O Se(Kerry) and Eamon O Hara(Sligo) will have to get some ban after those incidents on the sunday game. It would actually be an injustice to Paul Galvin if they werent treated the same way IMO.

Some Kerry fans think their been picked on unfairly but they are looking at all incidents as tonight's Sunday Game has shown. They have been highlighting incidents through the years and other players have been punished not just Kerry players.

keane2097 · 04-07-2010 09:40PM

dartbhoy wrote: »

Some Kerry fans think their been picked on unfairly but they are looking at all incidents as tonight's Sunday Game has shown. They have been highlighting incidents through the years and other players have been punished not just Kerry players.

In fairness the reason for that is pretty understandable IMO - the Paul Galvin incident was picked out in isolation from a game that was packed full of unsavoury incidents and discussed in detail as though it were the only thing out of the way that had happened in the game.

I think most people don't have any problem with the guilty being punished, it's just when other equally guilty people are arbitrarily left off that chips on shoulders begin to form.

dartbhoy · 04-07-2010 09:53PM

keane2097 wrote: »

In fairness the reason for that is pretty understandable IMO - the Paul Galvin incident was picked out in isolation from a game that was packed full of unsavoury incidents and discussed in detail as though it were the only thing out of the way that had happened in the game.

I think most people don't have any problem with the guilty being punished, it's just when other equally guilty people are arbitrarily left off that chips on shoulders begin to form.

With regards to Paul Galvin i think since the incident with Paddy Russell 2 years ago he's always going to be monitored and analysed and any step out of line will result in him been punished frequently which is a bit harsh on the lad. I could be wrong here but i don't think anyone in the Cork team or management mentioned that incident and no blame could be held against them for Galvin getting suspended.

muincav · 04-07-2010 10:06PM

DDC1990 wrote: »

I agree totally. Cooper was dragged to the ground by two men in the first half and the Ref gave a free out.
Quirke was targeted the second he came on the field, and was punched kicked and pulled for the remainder of the game.
Kieran O'Leary was likewise targeted as soon as he entered the pitch by the Limerick #7.
Donaghy was dragged for 70mins straight.... etc, etc. etc.

Just because Limerick hadn't won a Munster final in 114 years doesn't mean they should have preferential treatment. But Kerry fought on through these injustice's and found the strenght to win the game.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

See it goes both ways.

p.s To the Cavan poster claiming that Tomás would get 12 weeks in Ulster... Look within your own team first. Your full back Thomas Corr pushed a referee and got nothing. Glass Houses come to mind...

I think Thomas Corr should get 12 weeks too, but that is just one event-Kerry get away with pulling and shoving on and off the ball every game they play.Quirke caught a great ball and then landed on his arse (plenty to land on...lol) and when he got back to his feet he got a free and nobody laid a hand on him.Gooch has done more diving than Jacques Cousteau or even Michael Meehan....lol. Kerry always get the refs decision with the exception of Paul Galvin who I also think is one hell of a player, but a marked man.
You also didnt mention wheter T O Se should get a ban or not, but then again when it comes down to it his name is O Se and that usually gets you off lightly-it did for many years for Darragh......;);):mad:

DDC1990 · 04-07-2010 10:37PM

muincav wrote: »

I think Thomas Corr should get 12 weeks too, but that is just one event-Kerry get away with pulling and shoving on and off the ball every game they play.Quirke caught a great ball and then landed on his arse (plenty to land on...lol) and when he got back to his feet he got a free and nobody laid a hand on him.Gooch has done more diving than Jacques Cousteau or even Michael Meehan....lol. Kerry always get the refs decision with the exception of Paul Galvin who I also think is one hell of a player, but a marked man.
You also didnt mention wheter T O Se should get a ban or not, but then again when it comes down to it his name is O Se and that usually gets you off lightly-it did for many years for Darragh......;);):mad:

I'd love to know where this myth of Gooch being a diver comes from. He is pulled and dragged for 70mins each and every game. Today he was pulled to ground in the first half, and the referee gave a free out for overcarrying. The one incident I can remember where Kerry got a free when Cooper waasnt fouled was in the first game against Cork, where he fell over and got to his feet straight away... He didnt look for the free, the referee gave it to him. How many times was he pulled down against Cork in the replay? Its not diving he's being targeted, there is a difference. Messi is Like Cooper, always being fouled, yet Messi gets hero's status in his sport, Cooper gets a bad reputation.

P.S Sorry for the poorly written piece... Im tired and a little pissed. :P

grenache · 04-07-2010 10:59PM

DDC1990 wrote: »

I'd love to know where this myth of Gooch being a diver comes from.

to be fair, he does go down a little easy, he's cute at what he does, doesn't make it look obvious.

teednab-el · 04-07-2010 11:06PM

Gooch should get an oscar for all the diving he does.

Ian_K · 05-07-2010 12:39AM

DDC1990 wrote: »

I'd love to know where this myth of Gooch being a diver comes from.

From fact maybe?

D'Agger · 05-07-2010 07:50AM

Dear god this thread's a nightmare to read!

I'm delighted Kerry won, my Dad's from Limerick and he was very disappointed but fair dues to them they never lacked heart, just the finishing touches up front and they'd have gone home with the cup imo.

Regarding the Tomás O'Sé incidents - the trip was a definite yellow, the elbow was a straight red and the other one was a yellow. I've argued about the whole Galvin incident that the CCC never shows any consistency, O'Sé should be brought up and banned on this, I've no problem admitting that and I'd be a hypocrite to suggest anything to the contrary, but yet again, there'll be plenty of incidents in games that go unpunished and it annoys me.

Pappy o' daniel · 05-07-2010 08:52AM

Stone cold penalty at the end, a foot block and the ref 2 feet away.

The sad reality is that you can't blame the ref, if he sent off the Kerryman, then that would probably be his last time reffing at this level.
Thats the influence they have.
Its one law for them, one law for everyone else.

D'Agger · 05-07-2010 09:01AM

Pappy o' daniel wrote: »

Stone cold penalty at the end, a foot block and the ref 2 feet away.

The sad reality is that you can't blame the ref, if he sent off the Kerryman, then that would probably be his last time reffing at this level.
Thats the influence they have.
Its one law for them, one law for everyone else.

Troll much?

If you're being serious with that comment you're delusional, if a referee sends off a Kerry player they'll never referee at championship level again? - grow up ffs!

jcsmum · 05-07-2010 09:33AM

Really enjoyed the game yesterday. I can totally understand the frustration among non-Kerry people at the non sending off of Tomas o'Se though. He is such a great player, I can't figure out the reason for him to resort to rough play.
I find it so annoying when watching a good, well played, skillful match and all of a sudden it descends into pushing and shoving and jostling and squaring up to each other. It's tiring - get over it and just play football.

Limerick were fantastic yesterday.
As for Kerry, delighted to see Gooch on form and Declan was great too. I'm not so confident in some of the newer Kerry players.

panda100 · 05-07-2010 09:40AM

I'm just gutted after yesterday. It's heartbreaking to be in this position again,being so close yet so far.

Ger Collins,John Galvin and Stephen Kelly had great games. I was delighted for Ger,whose a great little forward and often is in Ian Ryan's shadow when it comes to media limelight.

Ian, is a outstanding player but he had a bit of an off day yesterday probably due to his own personal circumstances. I think it was suicide that we didnt take Ian off and put Conor Fitzgerald on in the second half. Why Conor Fitz didn't get a play I don't know why? He's got the experience against Kerry and always scores a couple of points when brought on. I think player like Eoghan O'Connor are great and will be fantastic in the future,but I think on Munster final day against Kerry you need forwards to come on whom have that bit of experience the likes of Conor Mullane and Fitzgerald.

Quirke caused a big upset to midfield when he came on. He's a tank of a player,dirty on and off the ball, and I don't think Jim was able to handle him. I think Mickey Ned could have made a few changes around midfield there,maybe putting John on Quirke to try and stem his dominance.

For me,I think it was Mickey Ned that lost if for us again. I have a lot of respect for the man,he's a decent bloke but he didn't make the right changes where they count.

D'Agger · 05-07-2010 09:53AM

panda100 wrote: »

Quirke caused a big upset to midfield when he came on. He's a tank of a player,dirty on and off the ball, and I don't think Jim was able to handle him. I think Mickey Ned could have made a few changes around midfield there,maybe putting John on Quirke to try and stem his dominance.

Really?? I wasn't at the game yesterday so can't comment or speculate about any off the ball incidents but I wouldn't have Quirke marked down as a dirty player - I think he gives as much as he gets tbh - he wasn't on the field ten seconds yesterday when he had somebody smack into him, he turned around and returned the compliment, not being a pushover isn't the same as being dirty imo

castie · 05-07-2010 09:56AM

Browney7 wrote: »

Regarding the O'Se incident I havn't seen it so I can't comment but I think GAA needs to go the way of rugby and get independent citing commissioners to eliminate any ambiguity and put this great "trial by tv" debate to bed

Only problem with this is that the citing commisioners would be tied to counties like everything else in the GAA and there would be no realy way of ensuring them being un-biased.

castie · 05-07-2010 09:57AM

Anyone got a link to the Thomas incidents?

Wouldnt of thought him to be a dirty player so just want to see them for myself before making comment.

Dermotsull13 · 05-07-2010 10:18AM

Quirke isnt a dirty player at all. All that was happened was 2 lads hopping off each other and throwing afew shoulders around. If everyone is gonna start complaining about that then I dont know what game we are meant to be playing anymore.

Re the citing commissioners. It would be a great idea in principle but as one poster mentioned everyone of the citing commissioners would have ties to one county or another and Ireland is such a bitter little place that you just couldn't guarantee that a citing commissioner would go about his business fairly. Have a citing officer for each team would just result in tit for tat citings and wouldnt work either...

keane2097 · 05-07-2010 10:18AM

panda100 wrote: »

Quirke caused a big upset to midfield when he came on. He's a tank of a player,dirty on and off the ball

FWIW, that's not particularly true. I've been watching him play for the club for ten years or more, and I have certainly seen him throw his weight around occasionally, but I can put my hand on my heart and say I have almost never seen him throw a dirty dig unprovoked.

keane2097 · 05-07-2010 10:19AM

Dermotsull13 wrote: »

Re the citing commissioners. It would be a great idea in principle but as one poster mentioned everyone of the citing commissioners would have ties to one county or another and Ireland is such a bitter little place that you just couldn't guarantee that a citing commissioner would go about his business fairly. Have a citing officer for each team would just result in tit for tat citings and wouldnt work either...

I don't see how that's a problem really - you just have more than one of them, so if one of their counties is involved in an incident, the other one makes the decision on it.

liammur · 05-07-2010 10:46AM

I must admit I lost some respect for Kerry football after watching that game. I felt there was no need for O shea's thuggery in a clean game with no niggle or no great rivalry between the teams. You can expect a bit of niggle or nastiness when teams like tyrone/armagh or cork/kerry play after all the years of tough hard games.Kerry need not and should not resort to that to beat the likes of Limerick.

TheSpecialOne · 05-07-2010 11:13AM

Another Horrible Munster defeat for this Limerick team,I'm beginning to think its their destiny never to win one.Such an unlucky group of lads but hopefully they can pick themselves up for the 4th round qualifier, a day out in Croke park would be a reward for this fantastic team.As for the game thought it was a cracker and was the game of the season so far along with Kerry vs Cork.O'Se should have been sent off no doubt as Kelly not for the first time scared the crap out of Kerry,they targeted him in O4 Finals aswell.But a great show by the lads and hopefully the "pundits" wake up and give this team some credit!If we where in Leinster or Connaught we would easily have a title to our name just unfortunate we are in with the two best teams in Ireland.Well done lads and roll on the qualifiers.

castie · 05-07-2010 11:20AM

keane2097 wrote: »

FWIW, that's not particularly true. I've been watching him play for the club for ten years or more, and I have certainly seen him throw his weight around occasionally, but I can put my hand on my heart and say I have almost never seen him throw a dirty dig unprovoked.

Would of thought much of the same.
Hes a big lad and entitled to use his bulk to gain a "fair" advantage.

D'Agger · 05-07-2010 11:31AM

castie wrote: »

Would of thought much of the same.
Hes a big lad and entitled to use his bulk to gain a "fair" advantage.

Worth mentioning that he's a gentle giant too - he went through a weights program with an u17 development squad setup before the minor trials I was in and he was an absolute gent. Made sure we all knew exactly how to do the weights and was very nice to deal with.

homerjay2005 · 05-07-2010 11:34AM

i would have no problem with tomas getting a ban IF there was fair play and consistency shown right across the board. same with the galvin incident.

there are incidents happening left, right and center and if everybody was treated the same, everybody got the same exposure, then the sunday game would be showing no football, only other incidents. we would have 2 or 3 bannings in every game.but see, kerry have had 4 live games already this summer, kerry are the big draw. it is easy to sell papers and envoke complaints when the all ireland champions are involved. but all we need is consistency. there are players getting away with murder. 6 or 7 cork players could be facing bans, but they aint.

the sad thing is , if a ref takes action, nothing is said. yesterday had the ref gave a yellow, i am sure tomas would have copped on and the others wouldnt have happened.

and for what its worth, only one of teh incidents is deeming of all this furore, the elbow as kelly kicked the point. the others are fouls and nothing else, yellows at most. last time i looked, 2 yellows means he doesnt get suspended.

yerayeah · 05-07-2010 12:10PM

TheSpecialOne wrote: »

O'Se should have been sent off no doubt as Kelly not for the first time scared the crap out of Kerry,they targeted him in O4 Finals aswell.

Imo, it wasn't a tactic by Kerry to pick on Kelly, I think it was all Tomás's initiative, whatever got into him, maybe Kelly said something or maybe they're not the best of friends from the games a few years ago, it was very strange anyway!!

SomeFool · 05-07-2010 01:02PM

yerayeah wrote: »

Imo, it wasn't a tactic by Kerry to pick on Kelly, I think it was all Tomás's initiative, whatever got into him, maybe Kelly said something or maybe they're not the best of friends from the games a few years ago, it was very strange anyway!!

He looked like a man with a grudge alright! Very cynical & silly from an experienced & quailty footballer who should know better, having seen it properly it's disappointing really. Hopefully Limerick will go on to do well in the qualifiers, it was one hell of a game and they're well capable of giving anyone a run for their money. I think the few weeks off will suit Kerry and I'd expect them to be on song come the quarters.

I thought Mike Mac had a great game yesterday, got caught out once or twice early on but having the likes of him and Declan Sull was the differfence between the teams, you can't beat a bit of experience.

grenache · 05-07-2010 01:21PM

panda100 wrote: »

I think it was suicide that we didnt take Ian off and put Conor Fitzgerald on in the second half. Why Conor Fitz didn't get a play I don't know why? He's got the experience against Kerry and always scores a couple of points when brought on. I think player like Eoghan O'Connor are great and will be fantastic in the future,but I think on Munster final day against Kerry you need forwards to come on whom have that bit of experience the likes of Conor Mullane and Fitzgerald.

Quirke caused a big upset to midfield when he came on. He's a tank of a player,dirty on and off the ball, and I don't think Jim was able to handle him. I think Mickey Ned could have made a few changes around midfield there,maybe putting John on Quirke to try and stem his dominance.

For me,I think it was Mickey Ned that lost if for us again. I have a lot of respect for the man,he's a decent bloke but he didn't make the right changes where they count.

I would concur with all of the above. Like previous Munster finals, this one was lost on the sideline. Introducing young guys like O'Connor and Joy wasn't the correct thing to do, not when you have very experienced guys like Conor Mullane and Conor Fitzgerald on the bench. Fitzgerald has a knack of getting crucial scores in important games - be it football or hurling - and i was disappointed to not see him introduced yesterday. John Mullane did make a difference when coming on as a fourth half forward, curbing the runs of O Sé and McCarthy. As already said, Monster Quirke caught numerous balls for 15 mins after being brought on, and this is the time when the damage was done, we waited to long to make any changes around this area. Galvin soon wrestled control of that area but an extra 1-7 was already on the scoreboard by then.

Finally, why did Mickey Ned or Donie Buckley not advise Brian Scanlon to go short on the two late 45s?? He never had a hope of kicking them long against that breeze. Those misses deflated Limerick and returned the possession to Kerry.

Kerry v Limerick - MSFC Final

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