The Catholic / Protestant Debate Megathread

vodafoneproblem wrote: »

^I think there are occasions when it would be helpful having a Catholic viewpoint on issues.

What on earth has that got to do with Mods A catholic poster is always free to give their viewpoint. Put 'Catholic Only' in the subject, and I'm sure they'll give their viewpoint even quicker.

Have you actually thought this through and questioned HOW having a catholic Mod will mean more catholic discussion? Its the same posters, giving the same posts etc.

Also, my use of the term Protestant is a valid one.

Indeed it is from a dictionary POV, but it is unfortunately a pretty meaningless term when you consider that it simply a christian who's 'not a catholic'. You cannot say 'what does a protestant believe'? So its useless.

hinault wrote: »

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I am simply making the point that I find it surprising that there isn't even one moderator, who is RC.

Why is it surprising? Most of the posters who frequent this forum are not Catholics, so by probability alone its not surprising that there are no RC mods. Up until fairly recently, Kelly1 was the only regular catholic poster.

JimiTime wrote: »

Why is it surprising? Most of the posters who frequent this forum are not Catholics, so by probability alone its not surprising that there are no RC mods. Up until fairly recently, Kelly1 was the only regular catholic poster.

Exactly the point JimiTime! Just 'one'....I wonder why?
..and see what happens when a few more Catholics post! We get told the 'regulars' are tired of us..pml...

It's not like that's all the new Catholic posters said either; they put forward valid points when they were asked questions, not just 'We are the one true Church blahdeblah'......and made a challenge as to the dynamic of the board.......

...and we got a 'mega thread' just for us...

hinault wrote: »

I would hope that it is not a deliberate policy not to select moderators who are RC.

:rolleyes:

owenc wrote: »

Yea and i can't see why they are like that, i thought that no one cared about religion down south like they do up here but i guess thats definitely wrong!

Well, I would say that it generally isn't as polarising round these parts. Internet forums tend to be an exception.

lmaopml wrote: »

Exactly the point JimiTime! Just 'one'....I wonder why?

Well why do YOU think? Is it more persecution complex?

..and see what happens when a few more Catholics post! We get told the 'regulars' are tired of us..pml...

Where were you told that the regulars were 'Tired of you'?

It's not like that's all the new Catholic posters said either; they put forward valid points when they were asked questions, not just 'We are the one true Church blahdeblah'......and made a challenge as to the dynamic of the board.......

What?? This is a discussion forum, the dynamic of which changes regularly. I have had heated debate with PDN, FC etc. What we have had recently, and it is being carried on here is the notion that there is some kind of conspiracy against RC's. Funnily enough, it seems that most RC's that come here say that at some point, yet its RC's who are the only people trying to force their particular brand on others as the 'One True Church'. Lets call a spade a spade, if all this One true church stuff stopped, there would be no mega thread. i mean whats the point in contantly harping on about such things when you know that your audience does not agree with you? Its like using the bible to show an atheist they're wrong about morals. You are appealing to something that holds no sway. Now, here, there is a place for Catholics to show how they are the true church, and for others to show that they aren't. It means the topic wont creep into other threads again.

...and we got a 'mega thread' just for us...

No, EVERYONE got a megathread for matters pertaining to the discussion of the differences between Catholics and Protestants. Why do you only see that as a Catholic thing? Is that perhaps a bit of paranoia or maybe a persecution complex?

vodafoneproblem wrote: »

I know you and PDN do your best to keep the peace here, and sometimes it's not easy, especially with the odd trouble-maker dropping by. However, sometimes Catholics have been told to hush up a bit here just for giving their view on things and so I think a Catholic perspective from a mod would help everybody feel able to express their views without fear.

TBH, these insinuations have gone far enough IMO. Provide instances where Catholics have been singled out for simply expressing their opinion or take your insinuations back. That is the only honourable thing to do IMO.

lmaopml wrote: »

PDN, I don't see why a couple of warnings couldn't be issued. Actually I witnessed one, and the poster apologised....and we all moved on like grown ups.

Then the debates got closed and we all got lumped in together in order to speak about a number of different topics...! both Protestants who were curious of our position and wanted clarity, and Catholic posters who were replying, yes it got 'lively' but certainly not out of hand - and now we must use the 'one' thread...

...and the Cherry on the top is the clincher that the regs are sick of hearing that from a Catholic position we believe we are the one true church..

Jeewiz just ignore it, or report it - what's with the baby tactics...

Actually, apart from the little sly digs about baby tactics, I think you have a point. I think this megathread is much too generic. I think the issue here is a simple one, Its the 'One true church' assertion. IMO, thats the thread that should be created. All this 'We want a catholic mod etc is just nonsense stuff.

What think all of yee?

vodafoneproblem wrote: »

Jimi, you're getting very personal and aggressive in your comments to me on this thread. I don't want to point out the instances you're demanding of me because I'd rather keep the discussion general.

More baseless rubbish. You have made accusations against the mods of this forum without providing backup, Now you have accused me of being personal and aggressive without foundation. Your idea of keeping things general seems to just let you make pronouncements about people, and when they ask you to provide backup you accuse them of being personal. So do the honourable thing, and provide backup for your accusations or take them back. It is entirely reasonable for me to ask this.

You either have something to back you up, or you don't. What would you say if I accused you of being aggressive towards protestants? Would you not expect some form of evidence to back up such an accusation?

PDN wrote: »

I've only seen one person (Jimitime) say that they are sick of that - and, while he is entitled to his opinion, it has no bearing on any moderating decisions.

Did I say I was sick of it?

to the whole Catholic v Protestant thing, i refer you to this thread.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055779000

this was about the Cathedral in Longford that burned down on Christmas day. if you read the first few pages, you'd find that apart from the people who were local to the town, the Protestant posters were the only ones really sympathising with what happened (mainly Jakkass!). as for Graces7, who came across like a researcher for Alive!, i'm still trying to figure out what she was on.

one of the first people down to the Cathedral on that morning was the local Methodist minister. i think it's great that when a lot of people are bothered about educating their kids in a non-denominational school because they fear the indoctrination etc, or whether a hospital should have a certain ethos, there are some communities that just get on with being just that, a community.
now i'm just rambling.

JimiTime wrote: »

Indeed it is from a dictionary POV, but it is unfortunately a pretty meaningless term when you consider that it simply a christian who's 'not a catholic'. You cannot say 'what does a protestant believe'? So its useless.

That's exactly it Jimi. It's in the 'title' of the thread; essentially it means - that anybody who wants to discuss the merits of their faith, whether they are any other Christian denomination, who have their own sets of beliefs, with specifically a Roman Catholic which is only 'one' Christian denomination, does it 'here'.

I just think it's not really gonna work and is just a little unfair on those of us who try to keep within the charter ( may skirt along it's edges the odd time..lol...like a few others ) but generally just want to chat? No? There are more than only Catholics here who believe their outlook is the bees knees and the spiders ankles too...

Anyway, I know I'm skirting the edges myself at the moment, but there ya go....

We'll see I guess...

PDN wrote: »

And don't forget Asiaprod who, despite his name, is a Buddhist!

I noticed in another thread that a poster was labelled 'anti-Catholic' because they questioned Church policies - that is, to be honest, pretty paranoid.

There's a world of difference, as Jimi has noted, between pointing out areas where we may disagree and aggressively attacking everyone who doesn't agree with you.

With all due respect PDN in another thread a posters rhetoric was described as being anti-catholic initially and then a qualification of what would constitute an anti-catholic position was later provided. Another poster took it upon themselves to presume that they were being labelled and persisted with this attitude despite being advised to the contrary.

But one gets uses to misrepresentation and semantic twisting around here. It's enough to make anyone paranoid

Bty, it would be nice to see a few more orthodox join in too..Haven't seen many of them abouts either..