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  • 18-05-2010 12:21pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭


    On the back of my recent visit to WoodBrook GC I was wondering would there be any interest in people providing a walkthrough/strokesaver for their own clubs?

    Obviously I dont expect you to have distances measured from everywhere, but it might be good/helpful to have the aiming points or places to miss/not miss identified.

    If it goes anywhere we can sticky it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    1) Short is better than long & left.
    2) Dont miss the green.
    3) Left is blocked off the tee, if laying up lay up on left side.
    4) Doesnt need driver. Left is blocked. Long of the tee is penalized. Dont be above the pin.
    5) Doesnt need driver, fairway bunker is penal.
    6) Dont be above the pin.
    7) RHS is OOB for second shot. Dont be above the pin.
    8) Short is better.
    9) Doesnt require driver, green kicks left. Dont be above pin.
    10) Long and right is dead off tee. Long and left or right for 2nd is dead.
    11) No danger long.
    12) Right is dead is using driver.
    13) Right or left is dead if using driver. Really need to spin approach.
    14) Right is dead (+ OOB). Lay up on LHS as all kicks right.
    15) Green is longer than it looks from tee
    16) Right is OOB, Left is dead.
    17) Right is dead off the tee. Dont go for it in 2.
    18) Right is OOB off the tee. Fairway kicks right, blocking long/straight drives.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭Su Campu


    I made up my own strokesaver for Grange Castle using the site below. I hand drew each hole, and measured distances from various points. I've found it very useful.

    http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭BUACHAILL


    Jasonw wrote: »
    I'm playing Druids Glen next monday. I played it once while the offer was on but once around only gives an impression of where you should, and maybe more importantly, shouldn't be aiming.

    It's most likely to be played off the Championship tees so with that in mind can anyone who knows the course well and has the time and the inclination do a hole by hole guide for me?

    Much appreciated.

    Congrats and welcome to the Trilby tour, played it yesterday with a mate who is playing in it.

    Ok long post folks bail out now if you can !!

    1 - stay left there is more room than you think and the bunkers are all down the right.

    2- the par 3 plays about half a club more and again short and right is the play leaves you a relatively uphill straight putt.

    3- all you need is a rescue / iron to just inside the bunkers on the right corner, leaves you about a pw, go at heart of the green so not chase flag.

    4- take 3 wood to just inside bunker on left, do not take corner on if you make it all the trouble just over it, leaves you about 180 but its not too bad, all down hill

    5- par 5 not too long and seems longer than you think, just find fairway even with a 4 iron, 2 of them will get you in great position, your line is between the 2 houses on the far hill from tee box.

    6- long par 4, aim inside of the left bunker dont try cut corner its a long way, even if you make it you have 200 plus so take a 5 and move on !! its a good score

    7 - dont take driver. aim far right of the fairway again do not take the corner on lots of trouble if pulled, i hit rescue to leave me 140 which was a 9 iron. be careful plays shorter than it looks my 9 iron was long

    8- par 3 over water, dont take on flag, heart of green is good and dont let yardage scare you its a club less than you think

    9- shot over bridge, aim at big tree on right, i hit driver and nailed it, left myself 100 yds, a 3 wood is perfect make sure and stay right of fairway no future left

    10- take driver and aim over tree on left or into the corner of fairway, its driver all day long but looks less, leaves you about 120 to uphill green

    11- par 5 not worth trying in two green is too well guarded, hit 3 wood to corner, take 6 iron to inside tree's on right and leaves you about 70 yards, its reachable in two but all risk reward you will be doing great to land and stay on green, all trouble at the back

    12- par 3 downhill, took an easy 6 and was never the club, hit a club less than you think and trust it, middle of the green is good here

    13- index one, savage of a hole. take friver and aim for the skinny trunk of tree in the corner of far side of fairway, you need every bit of this club, from there its minimum 4 iron, enjoy what a hole

    14- 3 wood off tee, aim at bunker straight ahead, once in fairway you are left with 140 to green, plays an iron longer than you think.

    15- great hole. take driver if into wind and 3 wood if not, aim right at the water its longer than it looks, once hit fairway you are left with 150 ish, stay right all rough and trees to left of green

    16- long par 5 again this is driver , aim up the far right of fairway, its a big hit to get to there, i managed a drive over the bunkers on left up around corner and was into wind, left me 200 into wind, uphill and went with rescue should have hit 4 iron went long, very birdiable hole.

    17- par 3 took 6 iron to heart of green, take on flag at your peril. Again was into wind.

    18- your line is straight up the middle with everything you got, doesnt play much more than yardage suggests, if going at it in two make sure you keep left of green, going right brings in water and rocks.

    general info to help you, i hit my 3 wood about 230 off tee, driver about 260 so suit your clubbing as you see fit, only played it yesterday and greens are running very true and quick. do not be put off by your eye it can look longer than yards suggest but trust it, go off markers on fairway to middle of green and not strokesavers as these are to the front can be confusing when on course.

    Oh and enjoy its in brilliant condition. wish i was playing the trilby had 32 off 8 and scratched 2 holes. fancy a good score on monday, i am going to watch a mate, again enjoy !!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭1916


    GreeBo wrote: »
    If only we had a Strokesaver sticky thread!....oh wait, that would be a ridiculous idea...:rolleyes:

    Is it not within your power as Moderator to create one GreeBo? I think its a great idea

    Have a look at these guys site http://www.hh-gs.com/ click on "Course Details" and flick through some courses where they have completed "Descriptions", Balcarrick I think is the first one on the list thats completed


  • Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭1united


    Heading to Ballyliffin at weekend and playing both courses, any pointers? Cheers.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Due to the recent number of requests Ive decided to add a sticky for course guides/tips/strokesavers.

    Feel free to add any course that you know well. (or link to any online guides)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭madds


    1916 wrote: »
    Have a look at these guys site http://www.hh-gs.com/ click on "Course Details" and flick through some courses where they have completed "Descriptions", Balcarrick I think is the first one on the list thats completed

    Useful site that. Had a look at guides of courses I know well and they're on the money in the main. Playing St. Margaret's today and have taken some notes from the guide posted so will see how accurate it is. Thanks 1916.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭jimbling


    1916 wrote: »
    Have a look at these guys site http://www.hh-gs.com/ click on "Course Details" and flick through some courses where they have completed "Descriptions", Balcarrick I think is the first one on the list thats completed


    I just had a look at my own course there and it's not anywhere near correct. I mean the lengths / pars / indexes etc.... it's completely wrong.

    I tried to compare with other courses I would know well, but it doesn't appear to have Lee Valley or Monkstown on the list.

    I know it's only a society website, but just pointing it out to ye guys that the details may not be accurate.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 423 ✭✭Ichiro


    I am playing the Rossapenna Links this weekend.
    Would anyone have a stroke/tip/guide advice for both courses,
    the old Tom Morris and Sandy Hills?

    Thanks in Advance


  • Registered Users Posts: 876 ✭✭✭DonkeyPokerTour


    Anyone with advise on Kilkea Castle? Played it before but not for a long time, even a score card to jog my memory!

    Regards
    Ian


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,798 ✭✭✭Mister Sifter


    Anyone any thoughts on St Annes on Bull Island?


  • Registered Users Posts: 108 ✭✭BunkerMentality


    Anyone any thoughts on St Annes on Bull Island?

    They have a decent enough thing on their website with distances and description for each hole

    http://www.stanneslinksgolf.com/mysitecaddy/site3/coursewalk01.htm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭1916


    1.Par 4 with trees all down right and OOB down left, generous fairway, but slopes to the left, trees to right of green.

    2.Short Par 4, shoot between trees, leaving short shot to green

    3.Straight Par 4, generous fairway, OOB though down Left side, water at back of green

    4.Straight Par 3, water hazard on left, bunkers on right

    5.Long straight Par 4 to a green that is slightly elevated

    6.Par 4, shoot between trees, then you have to negotiate the tree 50 yards in front of green, water on right of green, OOB all down left side of hole

    7.Long dog leg right, Par 5, OOB all down left, 2nd shot to the dog leg, then green falls down hill

    8.Longish Par 3, don’t be long as green falls off, large bunker to left front of green

    9.Long Par 4, all up hill, Index 1

    10.Straight Par 4, generous fairway, large tree to right of green, needs to be avoided

    11.Short Par 3, slightly uphill, bushes/trees to back, bunker on left side

    12.Long Par 5, dog leg left, fairway runs out at half way for 20 yards then continues until point of dog leg, large bunker in front of a generous green

    13.Signature hole, Par 4, dog leg right to an ‘island green’, water immediately to left, right and back of green, fairway to front of it

    14.Long slightly “S” shaped/winding Par 5

    15.Long Par 3, bunker to right of a generous sized green

    16.Straight Par 4, generous fairway with tree in middle within driving distance, no bunkers around green, but water to right side.

    17.Par 4, severe dog leg left, big hitters could go for it, but most will lay up to a generous fairway before going for green, don’t want to be long to green as green is built up and falls off at the back, water hazard to right

    18.Long Par 5 that turns right at the end to a green protected at front by water hazard, even for the longest hitters its 2 shots up before the green shot, OOB to right front of green.


  • Registered Users Posts: 95 ✭✭mattman_iflaf


    jimbling wrote: »
    I just had a look at my own course there and it's not anywhere near correct. I mean the lengths / pars / indexes etc.... it's completely wrong.

    I tried to compare with other courses I would know well, but it doesn't appear to have Lee Valley or Monkstown on the list.

    I know it's only a society website, but just pointing it out to ye guys that the details may not be accurate.

    Firstly thanks for the kind mentions. but as Jimbling points out this is a society golf site

    I am the moderator/owner of the site, and most/all of the course descriptions were penned by my good self, so apologies of they are not up to date, but they only get updated when I play a given course so, including pars/indexes etc which can change quite dramatically over the years.

    If people see incorrect details then I'd be glad to make updates, just email me mattman@hh-gs.com with changes recommendations, and I can look after it from there.

    cheers

    Matt


  • Registered Users Posts: 95 ✭✭mattman_iflaf


    Anyone any thoughts on St Annes on Bull Island?

    My thoughts on St. Anne's : http://www.hh-gs.com/course196.htm

    From a few years ago... but should be mostly valid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭Luckycharm


    GreeBo wrote: »
    1) Short is better than long & left.
    2) Dont miss the green.
    3) Left is blocked off the tee, if laying up lay up on left side.
    4) Doesnt need driver. Left is blocked. Long of the tee is penalized. Dont be above the pin.
    5) Doesnt need driver, fairway bunker is penal.
    6) Dont be above the pin.
    7) RHS is OOB for second shot. Dont be above the pin.
    8) Short is better.
    9) Doesnt require driver, green kicks left. Dont be above pin.
    10) Long and right is dead off tee. Long and left or right for 2nd is dead.
    11) No danger long.
    12) Right is dead is using driver.
    13) Right or left is dead if using driver. Really need to spin approach.
    14) Right is dead (+ OOB). Lay up on LHS as all kicks right.
    15) Green is longer than it looks from tee
    16) Right is OOB, Left is dead.
    17) Right is dead off the tee. Dont go for it in 2.
    18) Right is OOB off the tee. Fairway kicks right, blocking long/straight drives.

    What about the other 6 holes :p Not sure there numbers

    19) Par 5 - right is dead, stay left 2nd as green kicks left often into a bunker
    20) Par 4- Left is dead, aim right - 2 tiered green
    21) Par 3 - 2 tiered green wall on left hand side
    22) Par 5 - Narrow drive plenty of room left, keep left with 2nd as pond right hand side of green
    23) Par 3- 3 tiered green
    24) Have to right off drive or no second shot, if not straight with second could be in Trees


  • Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭elgan


    Any tips for playing this course. I'm hoping to travel next week.


  • Registered Users Posts: 290 ✭✭carnsoreboxer


    The stroke saver is good recommend you buy it.

    Great course heading there myself to play again in couple of weeks

    Enjoy


  • Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭elgan


    Any words of caution


  • Subscribers Posts: 4,419 ✭✭✭PhilipMarlowe


    From a previous post on here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055980897

    Licksy wrote: »
    From (poor) memory.
    1st. Not overly long par 4, no need to go mad off the tee. Green is set down hill and slightly left. Slopes a fair bit. Don't think I ever birdied it after many attempts.
    2nd. Great uphill, long par 4. Green is elevated and it's a fine hole.
    3rd. Another tough par 4, down hill this time but there's water short-right and a 3-tiered green. Depending on the wind direction, I used to always be happy enough with a 4 on one and a 5 on the other (2 & 3 run opposite directions).
    4th. Short par 4, trouble everywhere so mid iron to the fairway and wee wedge to the green.
    5th. Reachable par 5, tee shot needs to be left-to-right to hold the fairway. Water towards the right of the green (short) but not in play for a decent attempt at the green.
    6th. Fine par 3, all there to see in front of you.
    7th. Good par 5, right-to-left, could rarely trouble it in two so pick your sensible line off the tee. Tempting to drive down the left but a decent carry required or you'll be in sand so stay right of it.
    8th. Changed since I used to play there, fairly straightforward par 4, honest stuff.
    9th. Used to be a lovely par 3 and is now changed to be a fine par 3, though not as strong as it used to be in my opinion. Again, you get what you see.
    10th. Long walk to the tee from the 9th... Par 5, two shotter again if you drive it in the fairway but it's a well protected green, set among trees with water short.
    11th. Pretty par 3, a great hole from the back tees with the flag on the right and decent from anywhere else.
    12th. Used to be a bit raw but has improved. Par 5, dog-leg left. A straight drive on the fairway gives the chance of going in two. OOB beside the green on the right is not that far away so keep that in mind if having a go at the elevated green with a long club.
    13th. Short enough dog-leg left par 4. Hate the bunch of trees at the corner of the dog-leg because they don't look right on a golf course but I know Kevin "Hooked" Markham likes the hole. Go figure! Hit the fairway with something and pay close attention to the 2nd shot because the carry over the bunkers usually needs to be fairly precise - plays slightly uphill but also could be very dead if you go long. Play your yardage to the middle.
    14th. Another short par 4, been on in 1 a few times but OOB on the right and trees/rough left so the sensible play is to lay up and wedge it in.
    15th. A strong par 4, OOB staring you in the face on the right... green nicely set with towering trees behind.
    16th. For god sake plant some trees behind this green to frame this hole. It would be a decent par 3 but always looks weak to me, looking out at the sheep or whatever in the field behind the green... OK, I'm fussy.
    17th. Par 4, straight and honest.
    18th. Good par 4 to finish, dog-leg right, water on the right and stream all on the right up to the green. The green is 3-tiered also and OOB (car park) behind so don't go long to a back pin!

    Presume they do a decent strokesaver!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭elgan


    Thanks Licksy. I get so carried away playing I even forget to mark the card.


  • Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭gawoo1012


    1.) Keep your drive left of the bunker. There is more room left than you think off the tee. Hit a rescue or mid iron down to the flat near the green which leaves a simple chip on.
    2.) Aim just left of the fairway bunker on the right. 2nd shot is all carry to a raised green. 2nd shots into the green tend to gather back left.
    3.) Drive and wedge
    4.) If you connect well with your drive, you can take it over the corner and the ball will feed out into the fairway. Aim your 2nd shot towards the fairway bunker on the right. Ball will feed down and leave a wedge into the green...Don't go left with your 2nd shot (even left half of the fairway)
    5.) Needs a straight drive. 2nd shot will feed in from the right
    6.) Par 3...hit the green
    7.) Generous landing area for drive. 2nd shot is generally 1 more club than you think
    8.) Aim for the tree on the left and again take plenty of club for 2nd
    9.) PAr 3...stay out of the bunkers. 3 tiered green
    10.) Don't take driver...4-5 iron to the edge of the hill and mid iron in
    11.) Most drives end up on the right semi. Keep right and take plenty of club for your second as anything on the front edge will feed into the bunker. 2 tiered green
    12.) Par 3...stay right
    13.) Aim to the right of the bunker. Rescue club over the water and short iron in.
    14.) Par 3....ball does feed in from the left side of the green which takes the water and bunker out of play
    15.) Don't be too ambitious with your tee shot. The bunker on the right is a 250 yd carry. Mid iron and chip on.
    16.) Toughest hole IMO....there is more room on the left off the tee than you think. 2nd shot needs to be accurate but favour the left as right is trouble. Also take plenty of club for your second
    17.) Drive must be on the right half of the fairway as anything left feeds into thickish rough. Green slops from left to right
    18.) Straight drive required. 2nd shot into 2 tiered green. There is a full club difference between front and back of green


  • Registered Users Posts: 350 ✭✭Moggaman


    Anyone got any pointers on newcastlewest golf club in Limerick?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭mag


    am playing limerick gc for the first time this weekend, ive heard its one for course management - any tips would be appreciated.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,838 ✭✭✭✭3hn2givr7mx1sc


    Anyone ever play Oranmore in Galway or Bunclody(or any good ecommendations around Wexford) in Wexford?

    Won a weekend away in any Maldron hotel in a classic there on Friday and it looks like we'll be staying in either Wexford town or Oranmore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭MiniGolf


    baz2009 wrote: »
    Anyone ever play Oranmore in Galway or Bunclody(or any good ecommendations around Wexford) in Wexford?

    Won a weekend away in any Maldron hotel in a classic there on Friday and it looks like we'll be staying in either Wexford town or Oranmore.

    Bunclody certainly worth a look... Played there last week... place was in great nick and a decent enough test! Can't comment on any other Wexford courses except Ballymoney near Gorey. A short little track and can be extremely busy at weekends. Always in good nick though!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭Dero123


    If Oranmore is Galway Bay then it's worth playing, hotel is on site.
    It's mainly a parkland course, plenty of water but there a few holes on the back nine that have a linksy feel about them
    Have not played Bunclody yet but a couple of people I know speak highly of it


  • Registered Users Posts: 64 ✭✭esker man


    MiniGolf wrote: »
    Bunclody certainly worth a look... Played there last week... place was in great nick and a decent enough test! Can't comment on any other Wexford courses except Ballymoney near Gorey. A short little track and can be extremely busy at weekends. Always in good nick though!!


    have played both Wexford and Enniscorthy and would recommend both, Enniscorty probably slightly better of two - personal opinion.

    heard great reports about Bunclody would love to give it a whirl someday


  • Registered Users Posts: 159 ✭✭Iangolf


    Hi Guys,

    Due to play slade valley at the weekend, and was wondering if anyone could give me some advice as the HH society tips seems to be out of date for Slade valley.

    Cheers

    Ian


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  • Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭Dero123


    Former member there, course changed this time last year with the opening of two new holes, first eleven exist as they were

    1 - Long par 4, key is to keep tee shot in play and then put second shot near the green
    2 - Par 3 plays the distance even thought it does not look it OOB all down the left
    3 - 90 degree dog leg, hit tee shot of about 200 yard leave a wedge to the green, dont go long
    4 - Short par 4, hit your drive up left side and play second shot in as close to right side of the green as possible with loft to hold the green
    5 - Par 3 - play to right side of green and take two putts
    6 - Par 4 again tee shot of about 200 yards will leave a wedge to green, all uphill
    7 - Short Par 5, rough has been allowed grow if you can find the fairway it's reachable in two
    8 - Plays a long iron and an 8 iron, aim second shot right of the flag and it should all fall in to the green, very quick green from above the hole
    9 - Long uphill par 4
    10 - Aim tee shot just right of the marker in the fairway and will get kick down,second shot plays club shorter than distance
    11 - Long uphill par 4, aim second shot to left of the green and it will get bounce in otherwise have to carry large bunker
    12 -NEW HOLE, Aim drive at bunker on the left side, green is long and narrow,
    13 - NEW HOLE - Par 3 plays bit shorter than it looks but tee box is sheltered so check wind when leaving 12th green, two bunkers to be avoided
    14 - Par 4 - if you hit a long drive aim your tee shot at the tree on the left edge of the fairway at the gap. This will open up the second shot, you play to the old 12th green, dont go long
    15 (old 14th) - Three wood off the tee, leave a wedge in, tricky green - tip check where pin is when passing green on way to hit your second on 10
    16 (old 15th) - Aim drive down left side, leaves slightly longer second shot but it's a better angle
    17th -Old 16th hole but plays to the original 17th green, drive has to be aimed out the left and then after that it's a long iron to a narrow green, personally I played it as a three shoter with more sucesss than going for it in two
    18th - Like 9 and 11 uphill par 4, straighforward hole

    Additional tips
    On holes 4,6,8,15 and 16 leave yourself with uphill putts as much as possible
    On 9 and 18 try and work out where the flag is as it can mean an extra club
    Greens are tricky and they are really the only defense the course has if you can keep it play off the tee you should have a good round


  • Registered Users Posts: 159 ✭✭Iangolf


    @dero, fair play, thanks for that. That will hopefully give me an advantage over the brothers!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭couerdelion


    Sorry if already posted, but just to keep everything on the one thread...

    http://www.theheritage.com/upload/docs/The_Heritage_Course-Guide.pdf


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭stockdam


    Sorry I have only played the front 9.

    1. Uphill drive, right half of fairway is slightly better. Take an extra club for the 2nd shot as it is uphill.

    2. Stay right with your drive as left will be blocked by trees. The 2nd shot is tight so unless you have a clear shot at the green it is better to lay up short on the flat ground.

    3. Tight drive.......don't miss right.

    4. Par 3 with 40m drop to green. If it's 150m then pick your 150 yard club.

    5. Tight drive......use the slope on the right.

    6. Be careful of the burn at the bottom of the hill so stay well back from it.

    7. Par 3 - slightly uphill so take enough club.

    8. Long par 5. Stay left with drive and with 2nd shot (don't fire towards the green with your 2nd).

    9. Tight fairway. Stay right as the slope on the left can gather your ball.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭stockdam


    1. Drive needs to be on the right hand side of the fairway. Aim over the right hand edge of the bunker (on the left) as the fairway bends left. Alternatively a high draw aimed at the right rough is a good tee-shot.

    2. Par 3 - avoid the trees on the right.

    3. You want to avoid the rough with your drive. Make sure you have enough club to avoid the ditch shot of the green.

    4. Stay left if you can but anywhere in the fairway is fine. It's an easy par 5 if you hit a good drive.

    5. A difficult driving hole. Stay as far right as you can with your drive as you can be blocked by trees if you go left. Aim short left of the green with your second as the ball will kick in and down the slope.....maybe take one less club for your 2nd because the slope can help especially in the summer.

    6. The sharp dogleg means that you've got to make a decision with your teeshot. Either aim where you can see or cut the corner. It can be a card wrecker so maybe just hit where you can see and dunt a rescue wood up for your 2nd. It's a par 5 so you'll still get there in 3.

    7. Par 3 - just hit the green.

    8. Par 5 - stay down the right with your drive but don't stray into the trees. Left is fine if you are confident of hitting over the high trees. Avoid the trees close to the green on the left with your 2nd.

    9. Smash your best drive down the left, flick a wedge on and hole the putt.

    10. It's important to hit the fairway as you don't want to be blocked by the small trees in the rough.

    11. Hmm.......smash a drive or play safe. Be careful as the OOB right is a magnet. You may as well hit a rescue wood and a wedge here rather than try for the big drive. Aim at the left hand fairway bunker and let the ball slide back into the fairway.

    12. Par 3. Even though it is uphill it plays a bit shorter than it looks. Missing short is better than long.

    13. I tend to hug the left hand rough here as I find it an easier line even though there's lots of fairway on the right. Make sure you take enough club for your 2nd as the bunker is well short of the green and therefore makes the shot seem shorter than it is, so relay on your yardages.

    14. A difficult driving hole as the temptation is to try to cut the dogleg. It's a par 5 and it's better to aim way left. If you are short left then you'll have a shot. Short right means your 2nd shot is blind and over the OOBs.

    15. Par 3.......some day I'll dig this hole up as it's by far my worst hole. Anything right is OOBs. Pull it left and you still have a hard shot onto the green and the chance of thinning it into the OOBs. Just hit it onto the green. Short isn't the end of the world here.

    16. Stay left with your drive as you can be blocked by trees if you go right.

    17. Par 5. Stay right with your drive but avoid the trees. The hole doglegs left so you want to be on the right after your drive. For your third shot, aim at the left edge of the green as everything kicks to the right.

    18. A lovely finish. Aim left and let the ball slide round the corner. If you get the drive right then you can get well down the hill. Aim left for your 2nd shot and let the slope take the ball down to the hole for a tap in birdie (I wish.....ok so I have had a couple here.).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭stockdam


    There are two 18s at Clandeboye. The "big course" is the Dufferin but there's a shorter and quite tricky course also - The Ava. Ok I'll do them both.

    It's been a while since I've played it so hopefully they haven't changed the layout.

    1. Relax and take in the view over Belfast Lough. The OOBs right is a magnet so stay well left and let your teeshot run off the hill and back onto the flat of the fairway. You don't need a long drive so a fairway wood or even an iron is fine here as a well struck shot will only leave a mid to short iron. Aim at the left edge of the green for your 2nd and let the ball come in off the slope. Right is bad at this hole.

    2. A long uphill par 3. Hit one more club than you think. Don't drag it left as it's a hard chip from down there. A very tricky green that can be lightning fast in summer. Allow for more break and roll when above the hole.

    3. There's quite a bit of room on the left so use it if you can.....anything right is lost. Pitch short left for your 2nd and let the slope do the work.

    4. If you are 3 over then you haven't done too badly but it gets worse. This is an evil hole. You must hit the fairway. There's more room than you think down the left and the ideal shot is to hug the left rough. If you miss the fairway then it's a chip-out.......don't try to hit the million to one shot at this hole. The further you can go with your tee-shot the better. Being overly safe just leaves a long 2nd shot. The 2nd shot is not much easier as there's trouble all around the green. Being short with your 2nd is not too bad. If you walk off with a par here then you've probably gained a shot or two.

    5. That's the hardest stretch of holes behind you. The next is a par 3. It's maybe 3 clubs from front to back so make sure you take the right club. The tendency is to be short.

    6. This used to be a great par 5 hole but they ruined it with new bunkers. There's a ditch to avoid with your tee shot but it's only in play in the summer. It's a long shot to get over it but don't run into it. You used to be able to have a crack at the green in two but the fairway bunkers short of the green mean it's now a long carry. So the best strategy is to hit a short drive on the fairway and then a rescue wood short of the bunkers leaving a wedge onto the green. Darren Clarke hit a drive and 9 iron here!

    7. Stay right with your drive or the trees on the left can block you out. Don't let your 2nd leak to the right as the slope makes the chip difficult. Long is ok here (well not that long).

    8. One of the tough holes. You've got to hit a long straight drive here otherwise just play it as a par 5.

    9. Aim down the right and draw the ball back. You can get all the way down to the bottom of the hill if you hit a good drive here.

    10. Another hard hole. You really need to aim right and draw the bal round the corner as it's a long hole. Avoid the trees to the right of the green. A par here is excellent.

    11. Par 3. Tricky if you miss the green.

    12. If you can carry the bunkers down the right then this is the shot. Otherwise stay to the left. Keep your 2nd down the right as the left can be soggy. Aim to the right of the flag as everything rolls left.

    13. Stay left with the drive as you have an easier shot in. Avoid the bunker in front right so stay left and cut the ball into the heart of the green.

    14. Use your yardages at this hole as you don't want to be short (splash) or long. It's a two tiered green so make sure you hit the right level.

    15. Hit a high draw at the gorse on the right and use the slope to gain yardage. Short right is better than left if you miss the green.

    16. Give me oxygen - it's a steep hill. Smash a drive over the thicket to the left......there's plenty of room on the left. It's a hard green to hit as the green runs at 45 degrees left to right so you really need to cut the ball into the flag (but avoid the bunker on the right). Short left of the green gives you the easiest chip so aim left and cut the ball in.

    17. Stay left with your drive to avoid the bunker short of the green (you can get close to this green with a god drive.....maybe even reach it). Left is by far the easier shot in.........don't go over the back of the green though.

    18. Another long hole. Stay right with your drive as the hill will make your 2nd shorter. You'll have to take one or two clubs more if you are down to the left. Best to miss this green short right so aim at the bunker on the right and draw it is.


    http://www.cgc-ni.com/12/Dufferin-Course/

    Most of my comments above are reflected in the course guide so I guess my advice is fairly good.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭stockdam


    This is the smaller of the two courses. It's only just over 5500 metres. Whereas the Dufferin is about long drives and maybe long 2nd shots, the Ava is about hitting the fairway and then most 2nd shots are wedges. It's a good test of accurate driving so don't be deceived by its short length.

    1. The first hole is fairly straight forward but don't let your teeshot leak to the right as there's a bank and some bushes out there. Hit a fairway wood with a bit of draw. Keep your 2nd shot to the right of the pin and let the slope take the ball towards the hole.

    2. Ok so here's where it gets hard. This is a very tricky par 5 especially from the back sticks. If you miss the fairway then it's 3 off the tee. Hit your fairway wood or anything that keeps the ball straight. Job done? Well not quite unless you hit a big drive or the tees were well forward. If you are lucky then you can hit a wood over the OOB on the left. If you are too far back then you have a very tricky shot as the landing is only about 30 yards wide. Laying up short of the OOB leaves a long blind 3rd shot.

    3. A "simple par 3" but make sure you hit the green. Left is in big trouble. Right still leaves a difficult shot. Take enough club as there's a bank at the back of the green which will push your ball back again.

    4. A short par 4 which really needs to be played from the tiger tees right up in the trees (beyond the 8th tee). You can drive the green from the members tee but there's a narrow entrance to the green and OOB left and right. Best to just hit the fairway but be careful as everything runs to the right here so you can easily bounce OOBs. The 2nd shot is best hit short and let the slope run the ball onto the green. Don't go long.

    5. Another short 4 par. Use a fairway wood and stay slightly right.......don't go long right as you'll have no shot.

    6. A very tricky par 3. Everything kicks left so you need to aim at the right hand edge of the green. Too far right though is lost.

    7. A very tempting hole. Short and on the fairways is the safe shot. However you can hit a fairway wood over the gorse on the right towards the 5th green. You'll then be able to see the green (the short option leaves a tricky blind shot). OOBs left makes this a difficult hole and its easy to run out of fairway left.

    8. A nice par 5. Avoid the gorse on the right. Use the slope on the left if you want. Stay right with your 2nd shot unless you are going for the green.

    9. A great driving hole. Keep your drive well left as right makes it a tricky 2nd over the bunker. You can get very close to this green with a good drive but the safe sot is an iron or rescue wood down the left (stay left of the small tree in the "middle" of the fairway with your teeshot).

    The course gets a bit easier now (that 9 used to be part of the Dufferin Course). Unless they've added some, there are no bunkers on this 9.

    10. Par 3 - Stay left as everything kicks to the right.

    11. Fred Dalys' Drive. This is a long par 4 which needs a long draw for the drive. Or hit over the tall trees on the left......hitting where you can see just pushes you out into trouble. There's a ditch running across the fairway but they've covered part of it over so it is easier than it used to be. Stay left for your 2nd as anything short kicks hard right down the hill.

    12. Allen Burns Pitch (I believe that he was the one-armed Champion of the World). This is a straight forward par 3 but not as easy as it looks.

    13. A great par 5 if you can slide a long drive round the dogleg. Otherwise stay well left and safe. Hug the left rough for your 2nd as the ball can run down into trouble on the right.

    14. Looks an easy drive but if you let it slide right then the tress will block you out. Aim at the right edge of the green for your 2nd.

    15. It's just a flick with a wedge but stay right......left is bad.

    16. A nice driving hole. Aim at the OOB on the right and draw the ball into the fairway and up onto the top level just short of the tree in the middle of the fairway. If you are left then you might get a view if the pin but generally the 2nd is a blind shot. Get your yardages correct as you'll not see the ball land. The OOBs on the right and the gorse on the left makes this a harder hole than it first appears.

    17. This is a short par 4, Aim over the big tree with a draw. Don't let it leak to the right. You need to hit the green with your 2nd as it's a hard chip if you miss right.

    18. Aim at the 13th green with a bit of draw. You only need a fairway wood but it is important to hit the middle of the fairway. Anything tight left will run into the bushes or the lane. If you stay out too far to the right then you have to carry the tall trees beside the green.


    http://www.cgc-ni.com/11/Ava/


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 251 ✭✭MasterKZG


    Macreddin GC -Back 9

    10- par 4 -Slightly uphill, play one extra club onto the green.

    11- par 4- 2 options , take the driver and aim for the mound and leave urself with sw or tee off with a hybrid onto the wider part of the fairway and then pw

    12- par 4 - Tricky hole..if u a good 3 wood driver then take it out and place the ball in middle of the fairway, that will leave u with a straight and shorter 2nd shot possibly a 6-7iron. Too much of a driver will leave u a longer second shot possibly on a slope.

    13 - par 5, play your second shot first. take a hybird and aim at the bunkers. Then a 3 wood into the green or layup

    14 - tricky par 3. if the flag at the back,aim for tree and try get some bounce from the slope behind the tree.

    15- par 5 -2 sunday best shot to leave urself with a mid iron into the green. Aim towards the giant tree off the tee box.

    16- par 4 long - Aim for the bunker with a nice draw to leave urself with a mid iron/hybrid to the green.

    17 - Par 3 - always one club longer to avoid the bunker and stream in front.

    18 - par 4 - aim between the tree and bunker to leave urself a mid iron into the green..

    Word of caution - The back 9 requires good strategy of placing your ball, no point going john daly here...the course is much tighter than the front 9.


  • Registered Users Posts: 350 ✭✭Moggaman


    Any one got a course guide for portumna golf club?


  • Registered Users Posts: 877 ✭✭✭blackwaterfish


    Playing rathsallagh friday morning in the open singles.

    anybody got any info, please?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭galwaylad1980


    Anyone have anything for Enniscrone or Rosses Point? (have been on their websites, looking for any extra "local" info, pdf strokesavers... anything at all)

    Thanks


  • Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭galwaylad1980


    Playing rathsallagh friday morning in the open singles.

    anybody got any info, please?

    Definitely take an iron off the tee on the 3rd

    Even if you cream your drive on the 6th its a 3 shotter to reach the green so I'd say as well off to lay up with second

    If tees are forward the 14th is drivable if you catch a good one. If you push it right past the trees it opens up well so even in the rough you should be ok


  • Registered Users Posts: 538 ✭✭✭Young_gunner


    Would anybody have a course guide for South County by any chance ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 395 ✭✭TheRoomWrecker


    Hi I'm playing Rathcore on good Friday in a family comp (up against the in-laws:eek:)
    has anyone played there recently? how are the greens etc, Ive never played there before so any info would be most welcome.

    Regards

    TRW


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,121 ✭✭✭tang1


    Try best as i can to help you:

    Hole 1: Par five, try favour left hand of fairway wit drive, if u catch a big drive its reachable in 2.
    Hole 2: Straight away par 4, water to rite off tee if you play a fade, hidden dip before green makes 2nd longer than it looks.
    Hole 3: Par 4, 8 iron to corner off tee and same to green, more water to rite of green.
    Hole 4: Par 3 slightly up hill, plays bit longer than it looks.
    Hole 5: Longish par 4, try favour left side of fairway again, as fairway falls to the rite. 2nd shot is down hill to green if you drive far enough.
    Hole 6: Short par 4, leave driver in bag here,cause if your big hitter you'll reach pond in front of green. 3 wood and wedge gets you there.
    Hole 7: Shorter par 4 than 6, only 4 iron wedge to green, pond short of green again so easily reachable with more than 4 iron.
    Hole 8: Long par 4, best played with fade but dont stray to far rite into out of bounds, second could be as much as a utility depending on how long you hit it.
    Hole 9: Par 3, better long than short water all around front of green no more than 8 iron at any time.
    Hole 10: Par 5, straight down middle, water to rite of green if going for it in 2. More water to rite of fairway if laying up.
    Hole 11: Par 3 downhill, dont go left as its wet.
    Hole 12: Long par 4 uphill, fade suits again as fairway slopes to rite again. Hidden ditch to rite off tee if you go to far rite its just over bunker in view on rite.
    Hole 13: Par 5 with elevated tee shot, fade suits again off tee, hole goes around corner again from fairway to elevated green, hidden dip in fairway if you lay up in 2.
    Hole 14: Short par 4, 3 wood and wedge will get you there, stay away from hill and gorse on rite hand side.
    Hole 15: Par 4 around the lake, driver off tee, hard to get flat lie for second shot to an elevated green.
    Hole 16: Par 3 all over water and rushes, better long than short, can be anything off tee up to 4 iron depending on tee placement.
    Hole 17: Par 4 again, driver and wedge will get there, you could be blind with hill for second depending how far you hit it off tee.
    Hole 18: Par 5 to finish, depending on your drive its reachable in 2, but theres a pond to clear if you do decide to go for it. Its a 3 shotter if you hit a bad drive.

    Course is in good nick and greens were pole forked few weeks back but there improving all the time. Hope this helps you take the money of the in-laws:D.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭Zak Flaps


    It's a nice course, i played it a couple of times.


  • Registered Users Posts: 395 ✭✭TheRoomWrecker


    Thanks for that tang1, I'll let you know how I get on:cool:


  • Registered Users Posts: 7 eamonbreen


    Roomwrecker, I played it a few weeks back. It was a good challenge and not too penalising for an 18 handicapper. A good few nice holes and good track in general. Lots of water but just try to imagine it's not there (that's what I'm told by my mate anyway and it works)

    Enjoy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Anyone got a course guide for Rathfarnham, Jimmy Bruen there in a couple of weeks and Ive never played it before?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Adiaga 2


    I normally have a good memory when it comes to courses but don't remember too much about this one(played it last year). I'm sure you know it's only 15 holes so it's not even reviewed in "Hooked". You play 1, 3 and 4(I think) again to make up 18. 1st is a short slightly uphill par 4 that dog legs left. A good long iron(~200yds) down the right side will leave a wedge to the green. It's a nicely framed hole from the tee with trees right and left. No.2 is a straight forward par 3 about 160 yards. Best hole from what I remember is probably 3 - longish downhill par 4. 4th is a nice par 5, kind of dog legs left then a bit right at the end. Nice green, don't go long - flower beds and path close enough to the back edge. There's a nice downhill par 5 dogleg right in the middle of the back nine(14?). Reachable with a good drive and no need to be too greedy down the right.

    Sorry not much of a guide :o It's a nice course and not as open as it looks if you've seen it from the M50. It's quiet similar in a lot of ways to its neighbour Edmonstown if you've played there.


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