Bullfighting-not so bad (relatively)

ScumLord wrote: »

I was saying the same thing in both posts just using different words.

You said two completely different things, on several occasions.

Because it's just a fact they don't, most animals don't stay stressed it's widely known that once most animals are out of danger they go back to normal you see it in nature documentaries all the time despite the lion still being in plane view the prey will go back to feeding once the lion is outside a certain distance.

Ah the auld reliable "just because" doesn't hold any weight i'm afraid. I can eat when i'm stressed too you know Either way, saying something is just because is not the best of arguments.

I've gone into fields off me noodle to commune with the animals and the cattle would very cautiously come close if you can get one of them to accept you, it's still not the same reaction you see when their owner walks into the field thee's no hesitation.

You need to go into more fields. Cows will run to you, depending on the situation, most of the time.

I don't think foxes count as dogs, the domestic dog came from the wolf and are not related to the likes of the wild African dogs. Wolves do eat their prey alive, they hunt the same way we did originally. They run the animal to exhaustion and rip it apart when it can no longer put up a fight. The hunting techniques your describing are those of cats.

Foxes are dogs, there's nothing more to it. Wolves will take hold of the arse, just like cats, and will kill it by biting its neck or other. Damn hard eating a moose or elk that's still alive and kicking wouldn't you think? You might want to check out how they hunt too Saying they are a stupid animal is pretty silly considering they use tactics, communication and target their prey. The aim is not to run the animal to exhaustion, but that may occur. Rip it apart, lol, as if other animals make accurate cuts with a knife and fork... :rolleyes:

That's meat not live animals. Are are you going back to the animals being transported to the abattoir?

Seriously? What goes into an abatoir? Live animals. I suggested you work there to see how humane it really is. It's not what you think.

These whale hunts happen once a year. The whole Islands get involved and all the meat, blubber and bones are shared out evenly between everyone.

Every part of the whales are used which is more than can be said about our use of meat and our wastage.

I cannot understand people saying it is worse than killing farmed animals because these are wild animals. That is such a bizarre way of looking at things. Personally, I would rather eat the meat from a wild deer that has been shot than that of a farmed animal. The wild deer as lived as it should live. Can you say that about a farmed animal who spends its life in what is basically a prison, albeit, mainly quite a comfortable prison.

ScumLord wrote: »

I said exactly the same thing using different words.

Frequently and once or twice in a cows lifetime are COMPLETELY differen things...

Well it's common sense, if these animals stayed stressed they'd be nervous wreaks in the wild. Prey animals do not stay stressed. I'll look it up later on when I've time.

Ah the auld common sense card, I guess it's ok for me to play that card later, right? I have a few of them too

Just went into the field beside me at work, they ran away.

Cows are curios, sheep are the opposite. That's common knowledge for most people, outside the pale anyway.

Foxes are not dogs, they're not even close. They have completely different behaviour from domestic dogs, wolves and even the wild dogs of Africa which everyone assumed lead onto the domestic dog but genetic research has shown the domestic dog came from the wolf exclusively.

Foxes ARE dogs... What are they if they are not dogs? Tell me that. Shows how little you actually know about them... lol.

Wolves hunting tactic is called Cursorial hunting, the animal is exhausted and can't fight back to well. It's true one or two of the wolves will grab the neck but it's not a killing tactic like with cats. Wolves rip apart their prey while it's alive, there's videos of half dead deer on youtube that have been ripped apart before death.

And cats just wait until their prey is dead? Do much searching on google for that? Because you don't display much knowledge on the animal. Wolves pick out weak, sick or old animals but will also take down a fully grown healthy animal too if it gets the chance. You seem to have this impression that wolves are cruel and vicious yet all the other animals of prey are gentlemen like... why? Wolves divide themselves up into different groups and communicate with one another.

It's as humane as killing an animal can be.

Yea... eh no no it's not. Reason for me suggesting you go work there. You will find it to be otherwise

ScumLord wrote: »

The difference is it's a mass killing. They seem to be wiping out an entire pod which will have a larger impact on the surrounding ocean.

IT would have a possitive effect on the surrounding ocean.

The oceans are in real trouble, most fish species are on the brink of extinction, and that's no exaggeration. These people are only hurting themselves in the long run as if they keep doing this with better and better techniques they'll end up having nothing but a green sludge to fish for.

Yea, because whales and dolphins actually increase fish species and help the ecosystem that way... :rolleyes:

Most fish species are on the brink of extinction. Have you any comprehension of how many fish species there are in the oceans? Where do you get this crap from? Stop reading the newspapers I suggest, it's filled with crap.

ScumLord wrote: »

I never said once or twice I said a few times and regularly, Neither words indicate a specific number regular could mean once a year an a few times could easily cover the life span of such a short lived animal.

:rolleyes: Read what you said again, you contradicted yourself a few times.

The cows ran away. There curious up to a point they will come up to a fence to someone but once you get in the field they'll start moving away from you unless they know you.

:rolleyes:They are curious animals, in a field, behind a fence, they will approach you.

Dogs cannot interbreed with foxes as they can with wolves and coyotes.
Dogs, wolves, coyotes and jackals are "Canis", foxes are "Vulpes".

More wiki reading? Good job... Foxes are dogs. Regardless of what tripe you read. Canids... A fox, essentially, is a part of the larger dog family.

Yes, haven't you ever watched a nature documentary go watch one now, cats kill the prey first. That must be obvious to anyone.

They wait around? Waiting for it to die do they??? :rolleyes:

Where does this come out of, you seem to be completely ignoring what I'm saying and just listening to the voice inside your head. That's how wolves hunt, the concept of cruelty doesn't exist outside of the human mind.

It comes from the words and your attitude towards the animal. Read more wikis on wolves, you might get something from it...

No it wouldn't, removing predators does not have a positive effect on ecosystems that's why predators are being reintroduced into allot of environments. It's bad for the animals the predator prey on it's bad for the animals that depend on the prey and it's bad for the plants that the prey eat.

Oh good god. You simply haven't a clue. I suppose you don't agree with culling any animals, right? How is removing a certain amount of whales and dolphins from the ecosystem bad for fish species?

Have you any comprehension of how big earths fishing fleet is? When they go out and dredge the oceans they don't just pick out cod they take up everything kill it and throw back what they don't want. Look into it, it's a fact.

Why don't you provide some links for the crap you are posting? You are making crazy claims, most of earths fish species are nearly extinct? That's laughable.

liah wrote: »

Foxes are far more like cats than dogs, for what it's worth, in both hunting habits and movement.

True, but how they behave and how they hunt doesn't mean they are feline. Bats fly, they hunt like birds, yet they are mamals