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Irish Government expel Israeli diplomat.

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  • #32
    sponsoredwalk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    FunnyStuff wrote: »
    I wonder if it had been the US suspected of the assassination, would he have expelled one of their diplomats...... i seriously doubt it.

    The people would have gone crazy, look at how people reacted to Shannon being used for refuelling as they bombed Iraq.

    Didn't politicians allow it...?


  • #33
    Coriolanus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭Coriolanus


    Some people would have gone crazy, but largely of a group of people that the Government is pretty used to ignoring at this stage. I certainly doubt anyone would be expelled.

    Anyway, I doubt it'll do much good. As for being blase about Irish national security, I don't see how this action is going to enhance it in any way.


  • #34
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Nevore wrote: »

    Anyway, I doubt it'll do much good.

    It'll do feck all I bet.

    I'd love to see what position this Israeli diplomat held, most likely it was someone at the bottom of the ladder. Probably a services officer (messenger) or someone of equally unimportance to the Israeli's or us.

    And besides', get rid of their embassador too - infact why do we need ANY foreign embassy staff at all?.

    Is it not a bit outdated to have embassies all over the world, and no doubt at huge expense too. I doubt there's a thing of importance an embassy does which can not be done over electronic mean's from their home country.


  • #35
    Coriolanus
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    Tyler Spicy Nozzle wrote: »
    It'll do feck all I bet.

    I'd love to see what position this Israeli diplomat held, most likely it was someone at the bottom of the ladder. Probably a services officer (messenger) or someone of equally unimportance to the Israeli's or us.
    Yeah, but all the spies and assassins would be down as someone low ranking, all sneaky like, right? :pac:
    And besides', get rid of their embassador too - infact why do we need ANY foreign embassy staff at all?.

    Is it not a bit outdated to have embassies all over the world, and no doubt at huge expense too. I doubt there's a thing of importance an embassy does which can not be done over electronic mean's from their home country.
    Nah, I like him. He's an occassional customer of mine! And as for the need for ambassadors, well, there are times, probably like this one in particular, where a face to face can do a lot more to alleviate tensions than a Skype phonecall or a faxed message could do.
    We probably don't need one in any of the EU countries or the US though, but maybe keep consular staff in country to help disaster prone Irish tourists abroad.


  • #36
    getz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    Tyler Spicy Nozzle wrote: »
    It'll do feck all I bet.

    I'd love to see what position this Israeli diplomat held, most likely it was someone at the bottom of the ladder. Probably a services officer (messenger) or someone of equally unimportance to the Israeli's or us.

    And besides', get rid of their embassador too - infact why do we need ANY foreign embassy staff at all?.

    Is it not a bit outdated to have embassies all over the world, and no doubt at huge expense too. I doubt there's a thing of importance an embassy does which can not be done over electronic mean's from their home country.
    they look after their citizens who may be living or working in the country,the british embassy is the busiest in the republic


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  • #37
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    Nevore wrote: »
    We probably don't need one in any of the EU countries or the US though, but maybe keep consular staff in country to help disaster prone Irish tourists abroad.


    A consular would probably suffice for a country like Israel, with whom we don't have any great trading links. I don't think we even have direct flights to Israel (I know I've never been able to find one).

    If I recall correctly we were one of the last countries in the world to recognize Israel as a state.

    In fact when I was in Lebanon from 1988-1989, whenever there was a serious incident involving Irish troops we summoned their embassy staff in London to our embassy there (London) or our consulate in Cyprus paid a visit to Tel Aviv.

    Even this explusion, if you scratch the surface, is just political window dressing. Minister Martin even said it himself more or less when he said that the offical being expelled had nothing to do with the assasination of the terrorist or the forgery of passports.

    Minister Martin - the mouse that roared :rolleyes:


  • #38
    Son Of A Vidic
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    Just the one expelled - wimps! They should have expelled one for every Irish passport that was used.


  • #39
    jimmycrackcorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,372 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    If only sinn fein were in government he could have been knee-capped instead - much more effective.


  • #40
    getz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    FunnyStuff wrote: »
    I wonder if it had been the US suspected of the assassination, would he have expelled one of their diplomats...... i seriously doubt it.
    i doubt it too,remember the republic has a long history of anti-semitism,so expelling a jewish diplomat is no big deal


  • #41
    nice1franko
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,300 ✭✭✭nice1franko


    getz wrote: »
    i doubt it too,remember the republic has a long history of anti-semitism,so expelling a jewish diplomat is no big deal

    The expulsion has nothing to do with anti-semitism :confused:


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  • #42
    Nodin
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    getz wrote: »
    i doubt it too,remember the republic has a long history of anti-semitism,so expelling a jewish diplomat is no big deal

    His expulsion was perfectly valid, and carried out for the same reasons the British expelled a diplomat over the water.

    Either show some evidence to back up your assertion re the expulsion, or keep it to yourself.


  • #43
    Morlar
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    getz wrote: »
    i doubt it too,remember the republic has a long history of anti-semitism,so expelling a jewish diplomat is no big deal

    Pure bull**** and lame attempt at deflection.

    israel's govt has a more significant history of anti-Irish sentiment than vice versa. Jewish groups have gone after the hunt family and even branded Mary Robinson an anti-semite etc etc


  • #44
    getz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    Nodin wrote: »
    His expulsion was perfectly valid, and carried out for the same reasons the British expelled a diplomat over the water.

    Either show some evidence to back up your assertion re the expulsion, or keep it to yourself.
    as far as i see it ,it was two security officers who worked in the embassy that got the irish passports


  • #45
    Dudess
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    getz wrote: »
    i doubt it too,remember the republic has a long history of anti-semitism,so expelling a jewish diplomat is no big deal
    Like what, for example? The De Valera thing/the Limerick pogrom doesn't mean the republic has a long history of anti semitism.

    As said, this wasn't an anti Semitic move anyway - Zionist zealots just resort to saying that sh1t to justify Israel's barbarism.


  • #46
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Dudess wrote: »
    Like what, for example? The De Valera thing/the Limerick pogrom doesn't mean the republic has a long history of anti semitism.

    I think Mr Getz is referring to the weekly pogroms and mass-murder in Killinaskully.


  • #47
    Sanjuro
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    getz wrote: »
    i doubt it too,remember the republic has a long history of anti-semitism,so expelling a jewish diplomat is no big deal
    Utter garbage. The diplomat who is expelled is a representative of a state, not a religion. Whenever somebody cries 'anti-semitism' whenever somebody criticises Israel, or one of it's representatives, his or her argument is automatically devoid of any credibility. Learn the difference between a state and a religion.


  • #48
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    getz wrote: »
    i doubt it too,remember the republic has a long history of anti-semitism,so expelling a jewish diplomat is no big deal

    I wouldn't think thats correct at all, at least not in present times.

    I think the diplomat was expelled because we had to be seen to be doing something, and God forbid we cut trade links or some kind of government boycott of Israeli produce because that would probably hurt us more than them.

    So, we went for the soft option & sent some idiot back home to sunshine & hummus. I'm sure the person in question isn't too cut up over it.


  • #49
    aidan24326
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭aidan24326


    Sykk wrote: »
    Words can simply not describe.... how little I care.

    Then why bother posting at all? Guess what, as little as you may care, the world cares even less that you don't care. Now go away.

    Sanjuro wrote: »
    Utter garbage. The diplomat who is expelled is a representative of a state, not a religion. Whenever somebody cries 'anti-semitism' whenever somebody criticises Israel, or one of it's representatives, his or her argument is automatically devoid of any credibility. Learn the difference between a state and a religion.

    You can't say a word against Israel now without the old 'anti-semitic' thing coming up. But in a way, that's one country where religion and state are inextricably intertwined, since Israel only really exists as a state at all because apparently god promised that land to the jews, and why zionists are so hardcore in their belief that that state and that land belongs to them and them only (and hence justifies bulldozing the Palestinians off it).


  • #50
    Dudess
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    aidan24326 wrote: »
    You can't say a word against Israel now without the old 'anti-semitic' thing coming up. But in a way, that's one country where religion and state are inextricably intertwined, since Israel only really exists as a state at all because apparently god promised that land to the jews
    Agreed, but it's still not anti Semitic to object to Israel's excessive force.

    I really feel for Israelis who are also disgusted by their government's actions, as well as having to live under the Hamas threat.


  • #51
    Nodin
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    getz wrote: »
    as far as i see it ,it was two security officers who worked in the embassy that got the irish passports

    "as far as you see it" counts for sweet fuck all in this instance.

    You were asked for something to back up your implication that the expulsion was in some way linked to anti-semitism. Your crystal ball work doesn't even do that much. The opposite, if anything.


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  • #52
    Fratton Fred
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    Michael Martin has grown a pair, good for him.


  • #53
    monosharp
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    Tyler Spicy Nozzle wrote: »
    Is it not a bit outdated to have embassies all over the world, and no doubt at huge expense too. I doubt there's a thing of importance an embassy does which can not be done over electronic mean's from their home country.

    Give us ex-pats a party twice a year with free grub and guinness in the most expensive hotel in the city paid for by you guys at home.


  • #54
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Michael Martin has grown a pair, good for him.

    Are you for real, he didn't even have the balls to point the finger and name names.. Grown a pair is right, a pair of bleed'n boobs.

    If he feels there's enough evidence to expell a diplomat he must have at least a semblence of evidence to point the finger and name names.

    For all anyone here know's we've expelled the guy who takes out the trash and cleans the toilets ffs.


  • #55
    getz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    am i the only one that smells a conspiracy ? 1. i did not know that embassies could issue foreign passports,2 even if they could, why would the israel secret service get a passport from the embassy,that would be easily tracked back,when for £100 they could pick a british/irish passport from northern ireland,2,we are not talking about idiots. these people very very good and would be unlikely to make a error like that, PS my passport says paddy goldburg


  • #56
    Nodin
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    getz wrote: »
    am i the only one that smells a conspiracy ? 1. i did not know that embassies could issue foreign passports,2 even if they could, why would the israel secret service get a passport from the embassy,that would be easily tracked back,when for £100 they could pick a british/irish passport from northern ireland,2,we are not talking about idiots. these people very very good and would be unlikely to make a error like that, PS my passport says paddy goldburg

    Your slippy grasp on reality is becoming even more tenuous, I see.


  • #57
    nacho libre
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    The British took decisive action in expelling the head of mossad operations out of London. I wonder was that proof enough for Ireland's friends of Israel group of mossad's involvement.. If not they should ask themselves why a staunch ally would expel a senior 'diplomat' if they weren't sure.


  • #58
    RoundTower
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    seriously, we only expelled one bottlewasher and continue to recognise them as a state? Stealing Irish passports and attacking Irish vessels should be treated as an act of war. If you tried that **** in America you'd spend the rest of your life in a Guantanamo torture chamber.


  • #59
    getz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    Nodin wrote: »
    Your slippy grasp on reality is becoming even more tenuous, I see.
    foreign minister michael martin stated dublin had not found any direct evidence connecting isreal to the use of irish passports,he said the decision was prompted by evidence by other countries who implicated isreal,in other words,because they have we will follow


  • #60
    Nodin
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    getz wrote: »
    foreign minister michael martin stated dublin had not found any direct evidence connecting isreal to the use of irish passports,he said the decision was prompted by evidence by other countries who implicated isreal,in other words,because they have we will follow

    Whats this? Getz whinging and engaging in intellectual dishonesty? My, my.
    While our own investigations have discovered no additional evidence linking the Irish passports to Israel, the fact that the forged Irish passports were used by members of the same group who carried the forged British and Australian passports, leads us to the inescapable conclusion that an Israeli government agency was responsible for the misuse and, most likely, the manufacture of the forged Irish passports associated with the murder of Mr. Mabhouh.
    http://www.dfa.ie/home/index.aspx?id=83576

    Thats a perfectly reasonable stance to take.


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  • #61
    Nodin
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    getz wrote: »
    foreign minister michael martin stated dublin had not found any direct evidence connecting isreal to the use of irish passports,he said the decision was prompted by evidence by other countries who implicated isreal,in other words,because they have we will follow

    ...found any "additional" direct evidence.


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