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Vodafone in talks to ban file-sharers

  • 16-06-2010 04:56AM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭


    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0616/1224272615990.html

    Vodafone in line to join file-sharing clampdown



    RONAN McGREEVY

    VODAFONE IRELAND is in talks with the record industry to join Eircom in its “three strikes and you’re out” rule for those involved in illegal file-sharing.

    The company is the second biggest internet service provider (ISP) in the State with 21 per cent of all fixed broadband connections along with a substantial mobile broadband customer base.

    Between them Eircom and Vodafone provide nearly two-thirds of all household broadband connections in the Republic.

    A pilot scheme to implement what Eircom also calls the “graduated response protocol” has been under way since last month and about 800 illegal file-sharers have already received a warning.

    In an out-of-court settlement last year between the music industry and Eircom, the company agreed to issue three warnings to illegal file-sharers who download music through what are known as peer-to-peer networks.

    After a fourth offence, they would find their broadband cut off for a year.

    In a statement issued yesterday, Vodafone said it was aware of the Eircom actions and acknowledged that illegal file-sharing represents a “serious issue for the Irish music industry”.

    It said it would be looking at “appropriate steps” consistent with “applicable legislation and recent judicial decisions”.

    EMI Ireland chief executive Willie Kavanagh said “significant progress” had been made with Vodafone in relation to implementing a solution similar to that which Eircom is using to deter file-sharers.

    Vodafone is in negotiation with the Irish Recorded Music Association (Irma) which represents all the major record labels.

    Mr Kavanagh, who is also the chairman of Irma, said that any agreement with Vodafone would make Ireland the European leader in terms of dealing with the problem.

    Mr Kavanagh confirmed that Irma has engaged former minister for justice Michael McDowell SC in its file-sharing court action against UPC which begins tomorrow in the Commercial Court.

    He admitted the Irish record industry has halved in size in the last four years. It had been hoped that last year would see a “bottoming out” of the decline in record sales as a result of illegal downloading. However, record sales were down a further 12 per cent this year.

    Aslan sold 11,000 copies of their latest album, but nearly three times that had been downloaded illegally, he said.

    Mr Kavanagh warned that there would be no record industry in Ireland within five years unless illegal file-sharing was tackled.

    In a statement, Vodafone said it was now looking at providing “easy availability of legal downloads of music” to counteract illegal file-sharing.

    It is believed to be looking at a subscription model which would allow customers to both download and stream tracks for a set monthly fee.

    In Spain, Vodafone has implemented a successful policy of charging €6 a month for 20 tracks, but the company insists it is too early to say what kind of model it would adapt here.

    It just doesn't end does it? Ireland always has to be the "leader" in all this kinda stuff ?! Smoking bans, bank bailouts...

    If they're holding up Aslan sales as proof that there'll be no record industry in five years then Kavanagh is correct but for all the wrong reasons.


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  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don't know what's sadder, that service providers are so quick to ban customers or that nearly 33,000 people actually downloaded an Aslan album.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    It's a wonder the Irish industry survived after THIS horror from yesteryear.




    *cough*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭Jev/N


    They've been in "talks" for awhile, so have 02 and 3. They're trying to round up all the ISPs following Eircom. It'll be interesting to see how the case goes tomorrow for UPC!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    If they're holding up Aslan sales as proof that there'll be no record industry in five years then Kavanagh is correct but for all the wrong reasons.

    Aslan sales are proof that whatever high they had reached is long past them when they release an album of cover versions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,257 ✭✭✭✭Rabies


    Aslan sold 11,000 copies of their latest album, but nearly three times that had been downloaded illegally, he said.
    How do they know the d/l numbers?


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  • Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Only noobs use p2p.. Just download like a real man and you won't get cut off.

    Edit: I cant wait for the stories about eircom customers being cut off because people are cracking the wep codes and using their network.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0616/1224272615990.html




    It just doesn't end does it? Ireland always has to be the "leader" in all this kinda stuff ?! Smoking bans, bank bailouts...

    If they're holding up Aslan sales as proof that there'll be no record industry in five years then Kavanagh is correct but for all the wrong reasons.

    I'm in favour of all these kinds of bans, because it turns people into creative thinkers, illegal downloading will always be there, nobody gives a fcuk who gets done for it, people will still download, they will just find another way to do it. You cannot control people like this. Ban alcohol, people will brew it at home or buy it elsewhere, ban the headshops, people get high another way, ban file sharing and people will find another way of doing it. I'm happy to see this as these robbing bastards will never win out :) Cnuts...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭jester77


    Feck this, this needs to stop at the source... aslan :eek: I think they should just ban the sale of all items that come with any form of speakers, problem solved


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    I'd download an Aslan album, just so I can't delete it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    Tbh, they're only cracking down because pirating is so accessible.

    Even people who can only do the most basic things in windows are downloading torrents or using crap like limewire.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    nearly 33,000 people actually downloaded an Aslan album.

    If there were was no Internet, they'd just steal the CD from somewhere so I can't see the problem?

    At least nobody gets a syringe stuck in them when it's downloaded illegally.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 146 ✭✭mp3kid


    In Spain, Vodafone has implemented a successful policy of charging €6 a month for 20 tracks, but the company insists it is too early to say what kind of model it would adapt here.

    A far more expensive one, you can bet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,996 ✭✭✭✭billymitchell


    Jev/N wrote: »
    They've been in "talks" for awhile, so have 02 and 3. They're trying to round up all the ISPs following Eircom. It'll be interesting to see how the case goes tomorrow for UPC!

    Whats the deal with UPC tomorrow??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12 tantalum


    Anyone know if this detection is based on traffic type & ports used per IP associated with each ISP? Also - how the heck are they differentiating between say, Linux .iso p2p activity and music?

    Pandora's Box may be open but doesn't the story say that hope is left in it?

    "How can i download you in this crazy world
    P2P's alright yeah
    Its alright"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    LIARS!!!


    Irish record industry reports high profits in recession

    Tuesday, May 25, 2010 - 21:40 Despite continuous claims that online filesharing is killing the music industry, the Irish Times' Cantillon: Inside the world of business column today reports on stable profits being posted by the largest members of IRMA (Irish Recorded Music Association).
    EMI Records Ireland, Sony Music Ireland and Universal Music Ireland all reported profits of between €2.1 and €6.2 million in 2008/2009. Despite this, IRMA director general Dick Doyle continues to contest that illegal downloads have caused a 27% loss in music sales in Ireland in the past year - the sole inauspicious factor affecting sales it seems.
    The Irish Times article goes on to criticise the industry's online offerings, saying that attractively priced legitimate alternatives to free downloads of dubious quality are needed. While many may possibly disagree with the author's assessment of the relative quality of free downloads, particularly when compared to DRM-encumbered industry downloads, it does rightly point out the deficiencies in the legal alternatives to file-sharing provided by today's record companies.
    Perhaps, if Irish record companies were to spend more time providing quality services to genuine music fans, rather than spending their enormous profits taking legitimate Irish ISPs to court - imposing massive costs on already struggling Irish enterprises - online file-sharing would not seem as attractive to so many music fans.
    The Irish Times article can be read here:
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2010/0525/1224271087622.html - Ed Galligan


    How could the record industry be dead in 5 years if they are making more money now than back then???


    England up 4%

    Canadian study finds P2P sharing increases music sales

    (Technical version). Here is the shortened version



    I think everyone should be downloading illegal music to make a point & to show these people they can not get away with using lies to put stricter rules on internet users...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭JJ


    Aslan's claims of huge numbers of downloads of their new album is based on dubious stat gathering. They looked at the stats from a few torrent sites and added it all together. Torrent sites are well known for showing fake stats in order to boost their ad revenue. See the following article for more info:

    http://dayandnightmag.ie/2009/07/24/aslans-illegal-downloading-minefield

    It's possible that the number of downloading the album would be the same number of people in the past who might've made a taped copy of the album for a friend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,078 ✭✭✭onemorechance


    Whats the deal with UPC tomorrow??
    Mr Kavanagh confirmed that Irma has engaged former minister for justice Michael McDowell SC in its file-sharing court action against UPC which begins tomorrow in the Commercial Court.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0616/1224272615990.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Mothafukhas!
    Mr Kavanagh warned that there would be no record industry in Ireland within five years unless illegal file-sharing was tackled.
    **** off you ****!

    Thank you sponsoredwalk for showing the utter bull**** these greedy ****ers spew out.

    I'd be sorely tempted to a life of crime stealing cds and dvds on principle, I want to destroy the music industry I think it should be banned in Ireland for being pure unadulterated evil.

    Vodafones internet service isn't even worth it, I keep getting disconnected I'm switching back to digiweb once my contract is up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    ScumLord wrote: »
    the utter bull**** these greedy ****ers spew out.

    I'd be sorely tempted to a life of crime stealing cds and dvds on principle, I want to destroy the music industry I think it should be banned in Ireland for being pure unadulterated evil.

    Vodafones internet service isn't even worth it, I keep getting disconnected I'm switching back to digiweb once my contract is up.

    I feel like going down to the courts with cardboard signs quoting these and better articles with website links to show them we know wtf they are up to :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,758 ✭✭✭Stercus Accidit


    There is no legal precedent for this policy yet, it all hinges on UPC and how they do in court, there is no way '3 strikes' is legal.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Vodafone have a lot of cheek.

    The last thing they need after their atrocious service is to join Eircom in this three strikes rubbish.

    Here's hoping UPC get their act together soon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,817 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    See ya vodafone. Morons.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    There is no legal precedent for this policy yet, it all hinges on UPC and how they do in court, there is no way '3 strikes' is legal.

    I don't see how this is different to checking your internet history & raiding your e-mail and bank account, 3 strikes - well they had to be watching in order to know of these strikes.

    What happens if you accidentally click something or the machines mess up, there's no way people can accept this if it comes into play.

    I think people should take steps like those save the internet people did with the net neutrality issues. They were successful in America in getting rid of things before, but we have no similar organizations & if they pass laws here then they'll get them everywhere & destroy the internet on bogus charges, i.e. totally lying...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Been having terrible service with Vodafone, ever since the switch from BT. So this looks like the last straw with that shower.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭Ryan!


    Rabies wrote: »
    How do they know the d/l numbers?
    Yes exactly, how are they supposed to know exactly what the people are downloading?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    How will the ISP's survive when all illegal downloading ceases?

    Most people will only need a 500MB or 1Gig per month download allowance and many might just use free Wi-Fi to catch-up on emails.

    The ISP's will lose so much business that I can see them going broke.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,372 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    old_aussie wrote: »
    How will the ISP's survive when all illegal downloading ceases?

    Most people will only need a 500MB or 1Gig per month download allowance and many might just use free Wi-Fi to catch-up on emails.

    The ISP's will lose so much business that I can see them going broke.

    You do realize that people use BB at home for non-illegal stuff such as paying ryanair extra charges and the like also?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,030 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    Same old plays, same old game. There are plenty of ways and means to avoid this "attempt" at stopping file sharing. The best way to stop it is to offer a better alternative then filesharing. Easy to use app, cheap costs, high bandwidth for fast downloads and good selection. You need to stop torrents, bearshare etc as being the easy option.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,470 ✭✭✭pooch90


    ScumLord wrote: »
    Mothafukhas!



    Vodafones internet service isn't even worth it, I keep getting disconnected I'm switching back to digiweb once my contract is up.
    WHy wait? If it's not working then complain and just go and switch.

    They cannot say anything if their product doesn't work.

    (By the way, it sounds like you're constantly switching between 3G and GSM and that you're generally in an area with patchy or no 3g. Try going to settings, network and changing it to GSM only to see if that fixes the problem. Also, if you're on a laptop try disabling your bluetooth and wireless as that causes a problem on mine. - assumig your mobile)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    I moved to Vodaphone because of Eircoms stance, there another ISP that operates similarly?


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