M7/M8 Portlaoise-Castletown-Cullahill Motorway (incl. Abbeyleix Bypass)

HurlyBurly · 08-06-2010 1:28pm

Had been hitting 90-100 myself between Ballacolla and Abbeyleix.
Have never seen a speed check on it.
May have to row back to 80 so, - I'd expect them to start making more of a presence there once they get wind of it.
Bloody toll-dodgers, ruining the local roads for us. :mad:

MidlandsM · 08-06-2010 2:47pm

On a seperate note, I note the OLD TRUCK TRAILER advertising has started in adjacent fields to the M8.

What the legality on there here in Ireland? These's lots of it going on near Motorway Networks in the UK?

markfla · 08-06-2010 2:55pm

recyclebin wrote: »

There used to be Gardai with speed guns on the staights between Ballacolla and Abbeyleixa a lot last year. I don't think i've seen them once this year and i'd be on that road twice a day.

It was probably my old man doing the speed checks, more so on the other side of the village. The Garda station is on the straight into the village from Rathdowney. He was dead right too catching people bombing it down that road as the local primary school is on that road across from the station. It's ridiculous how fast trucks come down that road sometimes, all you need is one kid to run after a football on to the road.

Amtmann · 08-06-2010 3:37pm

MidlandsM wrote: »

On a seperate note, I note the OLD TRUCK TRAILER advertising has started in adjacent fields to the M8.

What the legality on there here in Ireland? These's lots of it going on near Motorway Networks in the UK?

Classy. In all fairness, an cheaply created ad stuck onto a horrible old trailer in a forlorn field won't attract anyone.

MidlandsM · 08-06-2010 3:40pm

Furet wrote: »

Classy. In all fairness, an cheaply created ad stuck onto a horrible old trailer in a forlorn field won't attract anyone.

Are they legal?

foxirl · 08-06-2010 3:45pm

When heading back to Wexford from Limerick my old route would have been through BorrisOnOssary and then Ballycolla, then Abbyleix and on to Carlow.
Can I take advantage of any of this new motorway or do I need to still take my old route?
Thanks

MidlandsM · 08-06-2010 3:48pm

foxirl wrote: »

When heading back to Wexford from Limerick my old route would have been through BorrisOnOssary and then Ballycolla, then Abbyleix and on to Carlow.
Can I take advantage of any of this new motorway or do I need to still take my old route?
Thanks

No, its of little use to you unless you go up the M7 to portlaoise (pay the toll) and head for carlow from there.

HurlyBurly · 08-06-2010 3:59pm

Furet wrote: »

Classy. In all fairness, an cheaply created ad stuck onto a horrible old trailer in a forlorn field won't attract anyone.

You'd be surprised. All you need to do is get the name out there and into people's minds. A certain M.Stone have done that, both sides of the motorway, loads of eyeballs hitting it,..
and I'd say no one cares too much about the looks of the ad when they're looking for stone!

Amtmann · 08-06-2010 4:02pm

HurlyBurly wrote: »

You'd be surprised. All you need to do is get the name out there and into people's minds. A certain M.Stone have done that, both sides of the motorway, loads of eyeballs hitting it,..
and I'd say no one cares too much about the looks of the ad when they're looking for stone!

I wouldn't give a visual polluter my custom, but maybe that's just me. Kilcoran Lodge has a trailer stuck in some field at the foot of the Galtees. Looks awful. As for the legality, I don't know. The Fermoy Farmers' Market ads are much tidier to look at along the M8.

Our man in Havana · 08-06-2010 4:03pm

They need planning permission for such advertisements. I doubt any of them bothered.

Clare Bear · 08-06-2010 4:10pm

Is it making much of a difference to anyone else's journey? Only seems to be taking 10 minutes off mine from North Dublin to North Cork the few times I've taken it. Can't see where they're getting this 2.5 hours from South Dublin to South Cork from, has anyone managed that without breaking the law?

MidlandsM · 08-06-2010 4:25pm

Haddockman wrote: »

They need planning permission for such advertisements. I doubt any of them bothered.

+1 ,

The loophole I think is that they (the ADS) are on trailers, so the argument is that they are parked up, so they are not permanent etc, so no planning reqd alledgedly.

Danno · 08-06-2010 7:15pm

recyclebin wrote:

I don't think i've seen them once this year and i'd be on that road twice a day.

markfla wrote: »

It was probably my old man doing the speed checks, more so on the other side of the village.

He's retired now - hence there are no speed checks anymore!

Know him well, nice bloke. I hope he's enjoying retirement.

nordydan · 08-06-2010 9:48pm

Clare Bear wrote: »

Is it making much of a difference to anyone else's journey? Only seems to be taking 10 minutes off mine from North Dublin to North Cork the few times I've taken it. Can't see where they're getting this 2.5 hours from South Dublin to South Cork from, has anyone managed that without breaking the law?

Yep, it's easily done. I'd say 10-15min off peak and probably 30-35 min on busier times (e.g Bank holidays)

spacetweek · 09-06-2010 1:32pm

Clare Bear wrote: »

Is it making much of a difference to anyone else's journey? Only seems to be taking 10 minutes off mine from North Dublin to North Cork the few times I've taken it. Can't see where they're getting this 2.5 hours from South Dublin to South Cork from, has anyone managed that without breaking the law?

250 km / 120 km/h = 2h05 + congestion at either end = 2h30 easy.

Our man in Havana · 09-06-2010 1:39pm

The speedlimit is only 100km/h between Newlands Cross and J9 and 80km/h between the M50 and Newlands Cross.

HurlyBurly · 09-06-2010 2:38pm

Plus you have to slow down or stop for the tolls!

I love the express lane though, great to be able to fly through it (well at 80 anyway)

markfla · 09-06-2010 3:21pm

Danno wrote: »

He's retired now - hence there are no speed checks anymore! Know him well, nice bloke. I hope he's enjoying retirement.

He's officially retired now, he's been "retired" a long time:)

bridestream · 09-06-2010 3:55pm

invinciblePRSTV wrote: »

Letters and stamps are for OAPs who know no better.

Excuse yourself invinciblePRSTV.
I'm an OAP and do NOT write a postal letter unless I have no choice.

OAP's out there, arise and do unto 'invinciblePRSTV' where it hurts most!

Stark · 09-06-2010 4:38pm

bridestream wrote: »

OAP's out there, arise and do unto 'invinciblePRSTV' where it hurts most!

Good luck finding them on the internet.

burger1979 · 09-06-2010 5:44pm

Last thursday evening i got from Newlands cross to just beyond the dunkettle interchange in 2 hours was pretty chuffed with that. on the way back on bank holiday monday was a bit more about 2.5 hours from dunkettle to the naas north exit.

Danno · 10-06-2010 12:41am

The wooden partitions used on this scheme south west of Portlaoise... what happens in a few years when they rot and we get a gale? They should have planted hedging instead me thinks.

Amtmann · 10-06-2010 1:07am

Just drove it for the first time tonight around midnight. Very bumpy at the Portlaoise bypass tie-in, but not as bad as I had been fearing for the rest of the journey to the interchange and grand on the M8 section. It does seem tighter for whatever reason. I liked it. Looking forward to a daytime spin on it.

Rowley Birkin QC · 10-06-2010 1:14am

Haddockman wrote: »

They need planning permission for such advertisements. I doubt any of them bothered.

No they don't. In the eyes of the law as it stands it's a trailer parked in a field.

Don't particularly see the problem with them to be honest.

Amtmann · 10-06-2010 10:32am

Danno wrote: »

The wooden partitions used on this scheme south west of Portlaoise... what happens in a few years when they rot and we get a gale? They should have planted hedging instead me thinks.

In this country, why plant living wood when you can stick dead wood into the ground? There are lots of ephemeral wooden barriers along the whole of the M8...

Our man in Havana · 10-06-2010 1:31pm

Travelled the M7 from Borris to Naas and back just now. Traffic was very light until the M8 merge. Most traffic seems to be still using the old road via Mountrath. The surface from the M8 diverge to J21 is very bumpy indeed. Did no one use a level when laying the surface?

Danno · 11-06-2010 7:29pm

The old Cullohill roundabout has had it's tar and kerbs broken up and everything covered in topsoil. They are some gombeens for doing this. It'd be nearly half a junction in place if they ever decide to open a J2.

Our man in Havana · 11-06-2010 7:36pm

J3a surely?

Chris_5339762 · 11-06-2010 8:59pm

Danno wrote: »

The old Cullohill roundabout has had it's tar and kerbs broken up and everything covered in topsoil. They are some gombeens for doing this. It'd be nearly half a junction in place if they ever decide to open a J2.

It was only ever a temporary terminus, therefore its best to remove it.

Now lets not mention the oddity of having a distance marker for Culohill about 10km back down the motorway after the Urlingford junction

Danno · 12-06-2010 1:32am

Temporary or not, why bust up thousands of Euro worth of tar and kerbing only to bury it under topsoil? There is alot of zinc deep underground in this area and the possibility of a mine being opened up in years to come. Therefore they should have left the junction as it was - even just block M8 access for the moment. If a mine were to be built - this junction would be great to have lorries use the M8 to get to port without going through towns and villages... in other words... allowing the M8 to serve its purpose. Can we please have fore-sight built into the fecking planning from now on.

Nuttzz · 12-06-2010 12:02pm

Danno wrote: »

. Can we please have fore-sight built into the fecking planning from now on.

Please stop being so silly....:eek:

wingfo · 12-06-2010 1:12pm

drove it thurs it seems fine little bit bumpy on m7 new section nothing major dunkettle to red cow 2 hrs 10 min left cork at 610 pm not bad

Jayuu · 12-06-2010 1:28pm

Danno wrote: »

Temporary or not, why bust up thousands of Euro worth of tar and kerbing only to bury it under topsoil? There is alot of zinc deep underground in this area and the possibility of a mine being opened up in years to come. Therefore they should have left the junction as it was - even just block M8 access for the moment. If a mine were to be built - this junction would be great to have lorries use the M8 to get to port without going through towns and villages... in other words... allowing the M8 to serve its purpose. Can we please have fore-sight built into the fecking planning from now on.

I'm all for foresight in planning, but it seems a little more than foresight to be thinking about leaving something there that's completely unnecessary in the hope that at some unspecified point in the future somebody might decide to open a MINE!

That's more like crystal-ball gazing if you ask me and really its not the best way to plan anything.

dantt7 · 12-06-2010 1:50pm

smiddyboy wrote: »

I live in Johnstown and can confirm that there are basically more HGV's on the road than cars now! I used often go for walks or on my bike up to where the Cullahill roundabout was, and the road was much quieter before the new motorway opened. It has ruined our evening walks!

The speed that the HGV's roar through the town is shocking.

I live in Johnstown to and totally agree with you, its almost back to the way it used to be, the speed some cars and HGVs are traveling at through the the town is shocking, how long will in be before there is a bad accident on the square in Johnstown? God forbid.

MidlandsM · 12-06-2010 1:58pm

dantt7 wrote: »

I live in Johnstown to and totally agree with you, its almost back to the way it used to be, the speed some cars and HGVs are traveling at through the the town is shocking, how long will in be before there is a bad accident on the square in Johnstown? God forbid.

You should write to you local superintendant and make him aware of this situation and ask for the gardai to address the matter before someone gets hurt or worse.:o

Jayuu · 12-06-2010 2:30pm

dantt7 wrote: »

I live in Johnstown to and totally agree with you, its almost back to the way it used to be, the speed some cars and HGVs are traveling at through the the town is shocking, how long will in be before there is a bad accident on the square in Johnstown? God forbid.

Perhaps its time for the council to introduce some significant traffic calming measures and some pedestrian lights in the town? That should slow them down enough. Actually I think these measures should be introduced as a standard on all towns that are bypassed by a motorway in this fashion. Not only for safety reasons in these locations but if it slows down these drivers too much they will eventually get back on to the motorway where they belong.

It would also be helpful in these situations for the Gardaí to spend time of the detrunked roads catching idiots like these drivers going at 100-110kph on what are now single lane 80kph roads, as opposed to them sitting on motorways catching people going at 135kph on a dual lane motorway.

I'm not advocating speeding on any form of road network by the way but surely somebody in authority needs to cop on and realise what is the more dangerous activity and act on that.

Hogzy · 12-06-2010 3:40pm

Even if you introduce traffic calming measures i dont think it would take them out of the town. The toll for HGV's is €5.70, if i were a truck driver i would be doing all i can to avoid that toll too. Trucks cant go that much faster on motorways over the old N8 so there is no incentive to pay the extra 5.70, With a car your saving the money on fuel (and time) so that in itself is an incentive.

Our man in Havana · 12-06-2010 3:48pm

Just look at Fermoy. The trucks are still tramping through the town years after the bypass was opened. They will not pay the tolls.

Danno · 12-06-2010 4:42pm

Jayuu wrote: »

I'm all for foresight in planning, but it seems a little more than foresight to be thinking about leaving something there that's completely unnecessary in the hope that at some unspecified point in the future somebody might decide to open a MINE!

That's more like crystal-ball gazing if you ask me and really its not the best way to plan anything.

Perhaps I didn't explain myself clearly enough in my rant! - My Bad!!! :P

They have destroyed a prefectly good roundabout. This is a waste of money to employ people and machinery to remove it which will serve no good - let alone the cost used to put in the roundabout in the first place!!!

If they do ever want to open a junction here - no matter when in the future, even if never - it will have to be all relaid. All they had to do was close the access to the roundabout from the R639 from the Johnstown side and Cullohill side and obviously the M8 Slip.

This would leave an isolated roundabout in the field that could be re-used if ever the needs arise again.

Danno · 12-06-2010 4:42pm

dantt7 wrote: »

...how long will in be before there is a bad accident on the square in Johnstown? God forbid.

There was a smash there yesterday evening I believe...

Our man in Havana · 12-06-2010 4:59pm

I hope no one was injured.

nordydan · 12-06-2010 5:17pm

I am amazed this wasn't left as a LILO S/B only junction

Jayuu · 13-06-2010 3:28pm

Hogzy wrote: »

Even if you introduce traffic calming measures i dont think it would take them out of the town. The toll for HGV's is €5.70, if i were a truck driver i would be doing all i can to avoid that toll too. Trucks cant go that much faster on motorways over the old N8 so there is no incentive to pay the extra 5.70, With a car your saving the money on fuel (and time) so that in itself is an incentive.

Probably true but at least significent traffic calming measures will improve safety for the residents of the towns which is to be desired.

I also think more should be done of monitoring of speeds on the redesignated R routes. While I do see what you are saying about trucks not being able to go that much faster I wonder if this is because they are still doing roughly 100kph (or more) on the old routes. So there isn't much of a speed differential. However if they were worried about fines and stuck doing 80kph for most of the route as opposed to safely doing 110kph on a motorway they might consider the alternatives.

I wonder if anybody has considered doing research into the economics of avoiding motorway tolls for trucks.

Hogzy · 13-06-2010 5:00pm

Jayuu wrote: »

I wonder if anybody has considered doing research into the economics of avoiding motorway tolls for trucks.

Well Fermoy might be more economical but i really dont think the Abbeyleix bypass is. In fact its a longer stretch of road compared to the old road. Im not too sure how much longer but i would think that it is more economical to go the old road. Again while sticking to the limits.

Stark · 13-06-2010 5:16pm

It's only 2 or 3km longer (32km vs 30km from Portlaoise N77 junction to Cullahill roundabout).

L1011 · 14-06-2010 11:47pm

Did the entire run today and can agree that even in a Citroen (known for their ride quality) there are some EXTREMELY bumpy bits. I didn't think modern pavers could lay a surface that bumpy?

There's also some serious shear in the plane of the road southbound at the tie in, wouldn't want to be taking that extremely fast!

Our man in Havana · 16-06-2010 7:43pm

The ANPR on the toll lanes keeps picking up my car as a 44 tonne truck. Cue much annoyance from those waiting behind me.

Amtmann · 16-06-2010 7:48pm

MYOB wrote: »

Did the entire run today and can agree that even in a Citroen (known for their ride quality) there are some EXTREMELY bumpy bits. I didn't think modern pavers could lay a surface that bumpy?

There's also some serious shear in the plane of the road southbound at the tie in, wouldn't want to be taking that extremely fast!

I took it at 130 today with a car alongside me in the overtaking lane doing about 145. Seemed fine to me. It's a well landscaped road, not bad. It is a pity about the bumpiness but in general I am very happy with it. I can see it filling up over the years though.

JupiterKid · 16-06-2010 9:25pm

I'm heading down to Cork for a few days late next week and plan to use the new section of M7/M8. I can't wait to experience full, unbroken motorway from Naas to Cork.:) I've heard a lot about the alleged bumpiness of the surface of the new section but I'll judge it for myself.

One thing that does concern me is that the M7 is wide median from Naas to Portlaoise. This is a good bit of long term foresight in terms of future traffic growth. But why wasn't the same logic applied to the stretch of M7 from the end of the Portlaoise BP to the M7/M8 split?

L1011 · 16-06-2010 9:45pm

JupiterKid wrote: »

I'm heading down to Cork for a few days late next week and plan to use the new section of M7/M8. I can't wait to experience full, unbroken motorway from Naas to Cork.:) I've heard a lot about the alleged bumpiness of the surface of the new section but I'll judge it for myself.

One thing that does concern me is that the M7 is wide median from Naas to Portlaoise. This is a good bit of long term foresight in terms of future traffic growth. But why wasn't the same logic applied to the stretch of M7 from the end of the Portlaoise BP to the M7/M8 split?

If the bridge structures on narrow median are wide enough its identical to being wide median in terms of costs and effort.

I have no idea if they are though...

M7/M8 Portlaoise-Castletown-Cullahill Motorway (incl. Abbeyleix Bypass)

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