Tonight a paedophile hides in my village

minidazzler · 02-06-2010 08:22PM

Nodin wrote: »

..and if you say you hate children, you're the worst bastard in the world....ye can't win.

Oh, I actually really dislike the little runts, they are actually not good for anything TBH.

Ulysses Gaze · 02-06-2010 08:25PM

minidazzler wrote: »

Oh, I actually really dislike the little runts, they are actually not good for anything TBH.

Not true.

They are good for emptying your wallet.........for two decades or more.

spider guardian · 02-06-2010 08:30PM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

QED then. Suggest you take a more cautious view over what The Powers That Be tell you. Somtimes, as Dudess pointed out, the truth gets lost in the persuit of a story.

I'll willing to bet there will be no warrants at all on this one, let alonebv arrests.

(Come to think of it, is an IP address enough to get a search warrant...?)

Hmmm, maybe some TV guy in dublin wants to start a 'Who Shot JR'-type mystery in the little village?

Of course we should take all these things with a pinch of salt but why would they display the town name if it there was no reason to? seems a bit too random

Nodin · 02-06-2010 08:34PM

spider guardian wrote: »

Hmmm, maybe some TV guy in dublin wants to start a 'Who Shot JR'-type mystery in the little village?

Of course we should take all these things with a pinch of salt but why would they display the town name if it there was no reason to? seems a bit too random

You could make a game of it, like Cluedo....call it 'Parish Paedo'.

Was it 'O'Halloran (the one that never married)' in the Cowshed with....

AckwelFoley · 02-06-2010 08:34PM

yea, seen that to..

i was going to make a thread about it but to be honest i was too pissed off by humanity.

Ive been well known for the distasteful jokes on this subject matter, but to be frank about it its my personal way of dealing with a topic that really really boils my blood, if i dwell on it and think about these fcuking bastards that target and actively seek to molest children i will drive myself insaine, i tend to think about things too much, but ive often, like last monday night, find myself in a rage when i have to think about these bastards... for me its easier to just know how i feel about it, but joke about it rather than deal with it - mightnt make sence to alot of people, but it works for me...

Dudess, claims this is scare mongering, i wish it was, sadly there are more victims of sexual assault in this country than most of us will ever realise, to cut a long story short i, at one point was socialising with some people, 2 of the 3 people excluding myself that were there were sexually assaulted, one as a teenager, the other sickeningly by their own grandfather when they were very very young.. NEITHER of the cases which were totally separate cases, ever lead to as much as an arrest or a conviction, because of the "Hush Hush sweep it under the carpet and it'll go away Irish Menatlity" - i suppose there are alot of factors invilved in sexual assault and going through the courts so i cant pretend to know how someone would feel, and their reasons for not wanting to go to court.

The bottom line is, i as a anon poster posted a thread about a pedophile that wanted to rent an apartment from me almost a year ago, i got into a real ****fit when i realise what he was after i took the deposit, the point im making is everyone i have ever talked to about this topic seems to know a pedo - ie one that was convicted or known to have assaulted someone - yet these are only the ones that have been caught, can you imagine the amount of them that are there that are on the internet pulling the ball off themself at images of 4 year olds getting raped? These cnuts are everywhere.

If one every lays a hand on our kid, or my niece i'll do 12 years without any hesitation, call me a neanderthal if you wish, i'll sleep better at night.

gbee · 02-06-2010 08:35PM

spider guardian wrote: »

Scary thing is it could be anyone, was out there last Saturday night,

I'd not be too worried about this for a couple of reasons.

*Someone can travel to different areas to get different IP addresses on mobile gear.

*Someone might have borrowed an none secured WiFi and used that to download to his mobile computer.

So whilst a download happened in your village, the perp may not be from there, or living there.

*Anyone can download anything at anytime, either accidentally or from a hijacked PC ~ the owner may not even know the material is on his/her computer.

*The only way to catch them is through their credit card subscriptions

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 02-06-2010 08:37PM

spider guardian wrote: »

Hmmm, maybe some TV guy in dublin wants to start a 'Who Shot JR'-type mystery in the little village?

Of course we should take all these things with a pinch of salt but why would they display the town name if it there was no reason to? seems a bit too random

It appears you haven't. You've been sparked and probably won't sleep tonight.

Anyway, why not make it up? Who's going to complain or sue? Why didn't publish the actual IP addresses? As I said, it's be much easier just to pick a few small places at random and run with it.

The media uses fear to control and you sould like you're being controlled quiet easily.

Dennis the Stone · 02-06-2010 08:39PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfCYZ3pks48

spider guardian · 02-06-2010 08:40PM

gbee wrote: »

I'd not be too worried about this for a couple of reasons.

*Someone can travel to different areas to get different IP addresses on mobile gear.

*Someone might have borrowed an none secured WiFi and used that to download to his mobile computer.

So whilst a download happened in your village, the perp may not be from there, or living there.

*Anyone can download anything at anytime, either accidentally or from a hijacked PC ~ the owner may not even know the material is on his/her computer.

*The only way to catch them is through their credit card subscriptions

all true, but still worth having a look at the hard disk IMO, there's ways of telling if someone has had their connection or computer hijacked. plus they may have other types of material in the house

minidazzler · 02-06-2010 08:42PM

spider guardian wrote: »

all true, but still worth having a look at the hard disk IMO, there's ways of telling if someone has had their connection or computer hijacked. plus they may have other types of material in the house

So the cops should be allowed to look at my computer should my IP address show up on one of those sites through whatever means, even just once?

TBH, I like my civil liberties.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 02-06-2010 08:44PM

spider guardian wrote: »

all true, but still worth having a look at the hard disk IMO, there's ways of telling if someone has had their connection or computer hijacked. plus they may have other types of material in the house

Would you feel the same way if the IP was coming from your home and your PC was taken for forensic examination as well as everyone else's at that location?

spider guardian · 02-06-2010 08:56PM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

It appears you haven't. You've been sparked and probably won't sleep tonight.

Perhaps i shouldn't even try to sleep? What if it turned out to be Freddie Krueger and I got raped/slaughtered?

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Anyway, why not make it up? Who's going to complain or sue? Why didn't publish the actual IP addresses? As I said, it's be much easier just to pick a few small places at random and run with it.

But why include it if it wasn't true? it's perfectly plausible they found an IP address there. They could easily have put their point across without mentioning the name of the place.

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

The media uses fear to control and you sould like you're being controlled quiet easily.

Of course! I haven't been wearing my tin-foil hat these past few days. Now I can put it on and free myself from the control of those lizard men in the RTE studios!

ColeTrain · 02-06-2010 08:58PM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Would you feel the same way if the IP was coming from your home and your PC was taken for forensic examination as well as everyone else's at that location?

If a serious crime was committed inside you're home, would it not be unreasonable for the Gardai to search it?

This type of crime is on a very serious level. If the cost of getting one of these animals before a judge is an invasion of your property, I feel it is a price that most would pay.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 02-06-2010 09:02PM

spider guardian wrote: »

But why include it if it wasn't true? it's perfectly plausible they found an IP address there. They could easily have put their point across without mentioning the name of the place.

Sensationalism, scaremongering, laziness... take your pick. Not the first time it's happened. If it's "perfectly plausable" where were you so schocked when you starte the thread?

Of course! I haven't been wearing my tin-foil hat these past few days. Now I can put it on and free myself from the control of those lizard men in the RTE studios!

Or you could just, I don't know... enjoy your life?

ColeTrain wrote: »

If a serious crime was committed inside you're home, would it not be unreasonable for the Gardai to search it?

This type of crime is on a very serious level. If the cost of getting one of these animals before a judge is an invasion of your property, I feel it is a price that most would pay.

Doesn't answer the question. If you were self emplyed and had your entire business on the PC in question, would you be willing to have 1) be able to do NO business for a few weeks, and 2) be under just as much scrutiny as everyone else in the house? Especially if people know you're under investigation.

spider guardian · 02-06-2010 09:05PM

minidazzler wrote: »

So the cops should be allowed to look at my computer should my IP address show up on one of those sites through whatever means, even just once?

TBH, I like my civil liberties.

fair enough, but i'm sure you would like people who download images of child porn to be punished as well. an IP address showing up once is flimsy at best but if there is reasonable suspicion that someone is looking at these images (be it repeated peer-to-peer connections or whatnot) then i think a search warrant is fair

Dennis the Stone · 02-06-2010 09:07PM

spider guardian wrote: »

fair enough, but i'm sure you would like people who download images of child porn to be punished as well. an IP address showing up once is flimsy at best but if there is reasonable suspicion that someone is looking at these images (be it repeated peer-to-peer connections or whatnot) then i think a search warrant is fair

Gardaí will be pretty confident of the likelihood of finding illegal images before they swoop in and seize hard drives. They have neither the resources or the will to go after thousands upon thousands of I.P. addresses. They will likely focus on the most active addresses, the ones that betray repeated attempts to share/download images.

Gummy Panda · 02-06-2010 09:10PM

How did they get the IP addresses?

And aren't most IP addresses dynamic from the ISP? e.g. you might get a different one when your router is turned on.

CreepingDeath · 02-06-2010 09:15PM

Gummy Panda wrote: »

How did they get the IP addresses?

And aren't most IP addresses dynamic from the ISP? e.g. you might get a different one when your router is turned on.

When you use bittorrent to download anything, music, movies, etc, then you see a list of everyone who you are downloading from, and who is downloading from you. All the IP addresses.

Anyone can simply plug the IP address into readily available websites and find out roughly where their ISP's nearest router is.

So as an individual you can easily narrow down any IP address to a location in say a 30km radius.
After that, you'd need a court order for the ISP to release the information.

spider guardian · 02-06-2010 09:17PM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Sensationalism, scaremongering, laziness... take your pick. Not the first time it's happened. If it's "perfectly plausable" where were you so schocked when you starte the thread?

The way Prime Time presented that program wasn't 'sensationalist' or an attempt to scaremonger. They simply investigated and reported their findings. Like the bit where they posed as a teenage girl and strangers started having lewd conversations with her. Shocking stuff but it does happen. Are you saying otherwise? Don't be naive, it's not the media at fault here.

It's perfectly plausible because they have to live somewhere. I was just shocked it was my village. Like you might be if you discovered your neighbour or friend was involved in something similar.

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Doesn't answer the question. If you were self emplyed and had your entire business on the PC in question, would you be willing to have 1) be able to do NO business for a few weeks, and 2) be under just as much scrutiny as everyone else in the house? Especially if people know you're under investigation.

Perhaps they should leave Anglo's computers alone and let them get on with their business?

ldxo15wus6fpgm · 02-06-2010 09:18PM

Gummy Panda wrote: »

How did they get the IP addresses?

And aren't most IP addresses dynamic from the ISP? e.g. you might get a different one when your router is turned on.

I'm not too sure on the first question - I think some servers (if not all) are capable of logging IPs which access that server, and if so it's plausible that the fuzz can get at that data/set up their own logging system. Open to correction here.

The 2nd question, I'm almost certain that if a gardai was to give the ISP the IP address and the date and time of the data requests that were under scrutiny, they'd be able to find out who was allocated that address at that time. Again, open to correction.

ColeTrain · 02-06-2010 09:23PM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Doesn't answer the question. If you were self emplyed and had your entire business on the PC in question, would you be willing to have 1) be able to do NO business for a few weeks, and 2) be under just as much scrutiny as everyone else in the house? Especially if people know you're under investigation.

Of course it answers the question.

What's the alternative then? You can hardly expect the Gardai to say "ahh well, we don't want this guy to lose a few days business and if word got out then it wouldn't be very nice"

To use you're own 'make shift' example, what if any other serious crime was committed in a self employed persons home. The place would be closed off and everyone in the building would be under investigation. Just because a personal computer is involved, it doesn't give people an automatic reason to get uptight and question their rights. If you are suspected of having drugs in your car, you'll get pulled over and searched, even if it's a company van and your on the way to work, tell me the difference.

In order to bring people to justice then a proper criminal investigation process has to take place. If it puts people 'out' and causes inconvenience, then that's the way it is. A person that has been suspected of paying to see pictures of naked children has to feel the full extent of the law, like a person that robs an old lady on the street.

minidazzler · 02-06-2010 09:25PM

spider guardian wrote: »

The way Prime Time presented that program wasn't 'sensationalist' or an attempt to scaremonger. They simply investigated and reported their findings. Like the bit where they posed as a teenage girl and strangers started having lewd conversations with her. Shocking stuff but it does happen. Are you saying otherwise? Don't be naive, it's not the media at fault here.

What age is teenaged? I mean, if they posed as a 15/16 year old, whatever TBH, that's not paedophilia.

There is Child porn distributed on the internet, more than you are probably aware of if Prime Time is what told you about it, but TBH, I would question how they came across the IP address's that gave them locations. It's morelikely they just came up with a few village and town names.

gurramok · 02-06-2010 09:26PM

What addresses are on the list now its public knowledge?

Jumpy · 02-06-2010 09:27PM

I dont doubt its rife and I do believe that all kids should be taught the dangers of the internet in schools for their own safety, but Primetime sometimes reminds me of this Simpsons episode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gyeqcwOveE

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 02-06-2010 09:35PM

spider guardian wrote: »

The way Prime Time presented that program wasn't 'sensationalist' or an attempt to scaremonger. They simply investigated and reported their findings. Like the bit where they posed as a teenage girl and strangers started having lewd conversations with her. Shocking stuff but it does happen. Are you saying otherwise? Don't be naive, it's not the media at fault here.

It's perfectly plausible because they have to live somewhere. I was just shocked it was my village. Like you might be if you discovered your neighbour or friend was involved in something similar.

To be honest, there is nothign there I didn't already know.

Perhaps they should leave Anglo's computers alone and let them get on with their business?

Nooo idea what you're talking about. Who's Anglo?

CreepingDeath · 02-06-2010 09:36PM

Lauren Hallowed Paintbrush wrote: »

I'm almost certain that if a gardai was to give the ISP the IP address and the date and time of the data requests that were under scrutiny, they'd be able to find out who was allocated that address at that time. Again, open to correction.

True, for residential properties.
I believe company directors are legally responsible for anything on corporate networks. Companies will have internet web proxy servers which all are capable of logging every single URL everyone on the company network visits.
What time, who was logged in etc.

Typically nobody looks at the logs, but they are there.
There's very little that's anonymous on the net these days.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 02-06-2010 09:38PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

Of course it answers the question.

What's the alternative then? You can hardly expect the Gardai to say "ahh well, we don't want this guy to lose a few days business and if word got out then it wouldn't be very nice"

To use you're own 'make shift' example, what if any other serious crime was committed in a self employed persons home. The place would be closed off and everyone in the building would be under investigation. Just because a personal computer is involved, it doesn't give people an automatic reason to get uptight and question their rights. If you are suspected of having drugs in your car, you'll get pulled over and searched, even if it's a company van and your on the way to work, tell me the difference.

In order to bring people to justice then a proper criminal investigation process has to take place. If it puts people 'out' and causes inconvenience, then that's the way it is. A person that has been suspected of paying to see pictures of naked children has to feel the full extent of the law, like a person that robs an old lady on the street.

No, it doesn't, because you're assuming guilt. If you were innocent and knew nothing about what is going on, how can you justify beinging someone's life to a complete standstill over a SUSPICION of guilt.

There is a big difference between "putting someone out" and potentially destroying some innocent persons's business and reputation.

spider guardian · 02-06-2010 09:39PM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

To be honest, there is nothign there I didn't already know.

Nooo idea what you're talking about. Who's Anglo?

some bank that almost bankrupted the country

Jumpy · 02-06-2010 09:43PM

spider guardian wrote: »

some bank that almost bankrupted the country

You say almost, but there is plenty of time yet.

ColeTrain · 02-06-2010 09:49PM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

No, it doesn't, because you're assuming guilt. If you were innocent and knew nothing about what is going on, how can you justify beinging someone's life to a complete standstill over a SUSPICION of guilt.

There is a big difference between "putting someone out" and potentially destroying some innocent persons's business and reputation.

How would the Gardai gather their evidence then. I'm at a lose to what you're argument is. If they don't seize the computer, wouldn't the person involved not be under a 'SUSPICION of guilt' for eternity ? The whole point of them taking the computer is to find out if the person is guilty or not. I'd rather have my computer seized and found to be clean rather than your way. I like my rights being protected and all but you're defending them just for the sake of doing it.

Tonight a paedophile hides in my village

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