Eircom enacts three strikes rule

27-05-2010 05:22PM

event wrote: »

so can every ISP though

Eircom arent doing this

Ogawd, way to miss the point.
:rolleyes:

johanz · 27-05-2010 05:23PM

Wouldn't it be illegal to monitor user activity like that anyway?

Jev/N · 27-05-2010 06:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Downloading from Rapidshare and Megaupload involves making a request to Eircom's DNS servers, of which records may be kept.

Or, they could just save all HTTP requests containing specific hostnames (which are obtained from the DNS server); these also contain the URL of the file you are attempting to get.

They're not covered by this settlement though - only peer-to-peer file sharing

27-05-2010 06:50PM

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

If people have an alternative.

http://www.imagine.ie/

I've never had a problem with them.

Mark200 · 27-05-2010 06:56PM

Deleted User wrote: »

http://www.imagine.ie/

I've never had a problem with them.

Well the huge amount of complaints on their facebook page, and a topic about them somewhere on boards would imply that they're not worth the try.

thewools · 28-05-2010 10:07AM

Anyone download anything lately? - I havn't since they announced this 3 strike rule; but prob going to eh "borrow" a few TV episodes (US) this evening off the p'bay. Will I be okay?

Are Eircom only interested in guys d/loading music which the Irish Recorded Music Association deem copyrighted music.

tiocimarla · 28-05-2010 12:22PM

thewools wrote: »

Anyone download anything lately? - I havn't since they announced this 3 strike rule; but prob going to eh "borrow" a few TV episodes (US) this evening off the p'bay. Will I be okay?

Are Eircom only interested in guys d/loading music which the Irish Recorded Music Association deem copyrighted music.

If you are only downloading that little then i wouldnt worry, I doubt that will put you into their top 50 bandwidth users for p2p sharing, also they dont know what your downloading tbh, they dont monitor what you download they monitor how much you download

Ciaran500 · 28-05-2010 12:36PM

thewools wrote: »

Anyone download anything lately? - I havn't since they announced this 3 strike rule; but prob going to eh "borrow" a few TV episodes (US) this evening off the p'bay. Will I be okay?

Are Eircom only interested in guys d/loading music which the Irish Recorded Music Association deem copyrighted music.

Its only music "sharers" they're going after and either way you're going to get two warnings before anything happens.

tiocimarla · 28-05-2010 12:44PM

Just means your gonna have to be a leech for a while, dont seed after download whatever ye do.

Voodu Child · 28-05-2010 01:24PM

tiocimarla wrote: »

Just means your gonna have to be a leech for a while, dont seed after download whatever ye do.

Irrelevant.

If you are part of a torrent swarm (for copyrighted material), then you are considered to be distributing that material. And your IP address may or may not be logged by one of the companies employed to do this.

Your up/down ratio is completely irrelevant in this scenario, once you are part of that swarm you are considered to be an uploader (and hence distributer) of copyrighted material.

tiocimarla · 28-05-2010 01:31PM

Voodu Child wrote: »

Irrelevant.

If you are part of a torrent swarm (for copyrighted material), then you are considered to be distributing that material. And your IP address may or may not be logged by one of the companies employed to do this.

Your up/down ratio is completely irrelevant in this scenario, once you are part of that swarm you are considered to be an uploader (and hence distributer) of copyrighted material.

Ye coz your gonna pop up on the radar if you have 5meg uploaded. I dont think so mate, really listen to yourself. They are in this for the top 50 period.

ScumLord · 28-05-2010 01:53PM

johanz wrote: »

Wouldn't it be illegal to monitor user activity like that anyway?

I wouldn't have thought so, I would have assumed all that information is collected as standard by any server for fault detection. Server record just about everything that they do so you can go back and find problems.

Fuhrer · 28-05-2010 02:32PM

tiocimarla wrote: »

Ye coz your gonna pop up on the radar if you have 5meg uploaded. I dont think so mate, really listen to yourself. They are in this for the top 50 period.

No they arent.

Anyone at all who is currently downloading whenever they take their list will be "sharing" doesnt matter if you upload 500gb or 5mb. If you are there when they are, they will take your IP and report you.

johanz · 28-05-2010 02:33PM

tiocimarla wrote: »

Ye coz your gonna pop up on the radar if you have 5meg uploaded. I dont think so mate, really listen to yourself. They are in this for the top 50 period.

Actually you might even if you haven't uploaded any amount at all.

Peanut · 28-05-2010 03:04PM

johanz wrote: »

Actually you might even if you haven't uploaded any amount at all.

That's an interesting question, in legal cases in other countries, they needed to show that the accused was distributing, i.e. uploading, however since this is a semi-private arrangement between Eircom and IRMA, that may or may not be the case here.

I would hazard a guess though that it's easier for dtecnet etc. to operate if they only look for received data from torrent clients.

johanz · 28-05-2010 07:44PM

So wait, you get busted only for sharing?
If yes, hahaha, there's so many alternative sources.

bleg · 28-05-2010 07:54PM

Coming soon: HSE three strike rule.

johanz · 28-05-2010 07:58PM

bleg wrote: »

Coming soon: HSE three strike rule.

In theaters near you

Jev/N · 28-05-2010 09:01PM

bleg wrote: »

Coming soon: HSE three strike rule.

I'd say it'll be the first stroke strike and you're out :pac:

blubloblu · 28-05-2010 09:15PM

Irish Times Letters - Eircom and illegal downloads

Madam, – It would seem Ireland is leading the way worldwide in handing control of our internet services over to the four major record labels (Front Page, May 24th). They have proposed draconian measures which have been voted against, judged unconstitutional, and met with ferocious opposition in other countries. They want Eircom to cut off your internet if they think you are illegally downloading music.
Allow me to propose my own three strikes against this policy:
1. The major record companies are taking this course of action to stop the unauthorised sharing of their music. They are entitled to protect their rights, and they should be able to take whatever legitimate action they wish. However...

29-05-2010 12:06PM

Some plank replied today:

Madam, – Charles Julienne Jnr (May 28th), exhorts Eircom internet users to move their internet custom to another provider, because, he says the other providers uphold their customers’ rights.

In my home, I control who has access to the internet, using the available security mechanisms, and I expressly forbid illegal downloads, using my position of “he who pays the internet bill”. I do this because to me such downloads are no different to walking into a record store and stealing a CD or DVD. If I buy 10,000 CDs and steal just one, it’s still stealing.

I am an Eircom customer. I will not be receiving any warnings from Eircom, nor am I at risk of disconnection. There is no need for me to move my custom. So who is Mr Julienne really worried about? The music industry, including writers and performers? Unlikely, as he refuses to back a measure that would protect them.

Society at large? I suggest society at large is quite well protected, and Mr Julienne’s outrage is just another storm in a teacup.

– Yours, etc,

ANDREW CALLAGHAN, Whitethorn Grove, Artane, Dublin 5.

I've emailed in a response to the letters page, let's hope it gets up...

altairscreed · 29-05-2010 01:35PM

Eircom suck's so much ass it's unreal:mad:

johanz · 29-05-2010 01:47PM

altairscreed wrote: »

Eircom suck's so much ass it's unreal:mad:

Oh it's real, very real.

Unreal will be when instead of only 50 IPs and only music they will take as much ips as they can and warn for any download.
AND throttle your internet.
Now then it will be unreal.

blubloblu · 30-05-2010 12:31AM

Reporters Without Borders aren't impressed

Reporters Without Borders is disturbed to learn that Eircom, one of Ireland’s main Internet Service Providers, has become the first ISP in Europe to voluntarily introduce a “graduated response” procedure under which clients who download music illegally could end up losing their Internet connection.
Announced on 24 May, the decision was motivated by business concerns and lacks any legal legitimacy. It is the result of an agreement between Eircom and the Irish Recorded Music Association (IRMA), which represents 55 music industry companies including Sony, Universal, EMI and Warner.
“The current tendency is to put Internet Service Providers at the centre of efforts to combat illegal downloading,” Reporters Without Borders said. “This is also the case with the ACTA, the proposed international treaty against counterfeiting that is currently being discussed. The disastrous effect of these initiatives is to turn the ISP into an Internet policeman.”
The press freedom organisation added: “It is the ISP that, flouting the right of defence and presumption of innocence, arbitrarily decides to interrupt Internet access, which is a fundamental right. Eircom reluctantly agreed to this pilot project in order to avoid legal sanctions under a lawsuit brought by Irish copyright holders that accused it of failing to take any steps to combat illegal downloading. ”
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Sheeps · 30-05-2010 02:01AM

I wonder if Eircom will reverse their new policy if UPC fight the IRMA lawsuit and win.

johanz · 30-05-2010 03:25AM

Sheeps wrote: »

I wonder if Eircom will reverse their new policy if UPC fight the IRMA lawsuit and win.

I don't think so. They are most likely in contract with IRMA.

Peanut · 30-05-2010 05:12PM

Thinking about this further, I've come to the conclusion that IRMA are mostly just blowing smoke up our a**, yet again.

Surely they realise that people will just turn to web based download sites instead? So why bother with all this torrent stuff?

But, they have to be seen to be doing something, and the threat of a sanction is enough even if they have little intention of following through.

The fact that this new agreement doesn't apply to business users speak volumes. They know there's fat chance that businesses will have time for these silly games, and the chances of false positives are high enough to make the entire thing stand on very shaky ground.

So it's a lot more cost effective to just threaten home users instead.
IRMA will be in the good books for a while with their masters without having actually done anything much, until people realise the system is a sham and continue to either ignore it or download off alternative sources.

biko · 30-05-2010 07:26PM

The way to go is what Swedish ISP Bahnhof are doing. They don't even log IP numbers any more. You're totally anonymous with them.

johanz · 30-05-2010 08:23PM

biko wrote: »

The way to go is what Swedish ISP Bahnhof are doing. They don't even log IP numbers any more. You're totally anonymous with them.

Too bad most companies are fighting to make internet less anonymous.

Jev/N · 30-05-2010 08:53PM

biko wrote: »

The way to go is what Swedish ISP Bahnhof are doing. They don't even log IP numbers any more. You're totally anonymous with them.

Isn't that one thing you could you done for regarding secondary infringement of copyright, facilitation of copyright due to anonymity?

What happens with Child P*rn with them then, it can't be completely anonymous??

Eircom enacts three strikes rule

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