Possible insider explanation for the ending [ FINALE SPOILERS ]

How Soon Is Now · 25-05-2010 11:26AM

20goto10 wrote: »

don't take things personally, I'm siply refuting your posts. You say everything happened for a reason, that makes sense if they were all dead from the start. But if they didn't die in the plane crash and everything on the Island was real then nothing makes sense at all. Either way you look at it, its boll0x.

How does that explain nothing making sense?

Faith · 25-05-2010 11:31AM

At times like this, I love my username. "Lost is all about Faith" etc

I liked that article. I saw a clip of Matthew Fox on Jimmy Kimmel last night where he said the whole idea was you couldn't move on until you remembered your death. So Desmond's whole purpose in the FSW was to help people remember their deaths and move on. I think the whole thing makes sense to me now, but I'm going to have to rewatch it when my exams are over.

jimbling · 25-05-2010 11:39AM

20goto10 wrote: »

Right so the Island was real, it was travelling through time etc etc oh, and they all survived a hydrogen bomb at point blank range.

The way I took that was they didn't "survive" the bomb as such, they were flashed forward back to 2004 as it exploded.
I guess the bomb WAS the "Incident" that has been talked about since the earlier seasons.
The losties thought they were trying to stop the Incident, but they actually caused it. Whatever happened, happened.
Time travel eh

20goto10 · 25-05-2010 11:41AM

angerfist2009 wrote: »

How does that explain nothing making sense?

If it all happened for a reason then what was the reason?

anyway the argument that the Island was real and only the flash sideways was purgatory is a non theory to me. I'm still waiting for an explanation as to how they survive a hydrongen bomb. If they were all dead and everything was purgatory then I would agree that explains everything, in a way which explains nothing, similiar to religious beliefs. but I'd accept there was a story, but I'd still call it BS and a cop out because it exposing pretty much everything as nothing more than filler.

seadnamac · 25-05-2010 11:41AM

20goto10 wrote: »

Right so the Island was real, it was travelling through time etc etc oh, and they all survived a hydrogen bomb at point blank range.

How can people say the Island was real and the sideways story is purgatory and call it a brilliant ending? The sideways story was introduced in series 6. If the island was real then nothing has been explain. Its all total bullsh!t I'm getting really worked up about this but I just cannot believe people can not see this show for what it truly is - a complete and utter con designed to get people to watch the ads.

I posted in the main thread that I actually wanted it to be that the island was purgatory and that they were dead all along, because that would explain what the last six years were all about. If it was all real, as it seems it was, then we don't know a thing. Nothing.

They couldn't answer any of the questions that they themselves posed, so they decided to introduce something else in the final season (the flash sideways) and give us an answer to that, hoping that everyone would forget about everything else.

Rabidlamb · 25-05-2010 11:42AM

Yes Jack dies fixing the island and letting the others escape

Kate, Sawyer, Miles, Frank, Claire, and Richard escape the island on the plane and live out the rest of their lives in the real world in normal time.

Hurley (in the Jacob) & Ben (in the Richard role) stay on the island to become its new protectors, who are now allowed to make their own rules and govern the island their way, i.e. Ben says they can find away to get Des home because its their island now, their rules

When they all finally died they created a place (Flash-Sideways world) where they come together and could pass over with each other, they all needed each other to be whole and happy.

The flash sideways we saw could have been decades in the future when all the main characters had eventually died, that's why Penny was there.
They could then leave limbo/purgatory together.

Ben remained in purgatory to atone for his sins & Alex probably wasn't aware yet that she was in limbo.
When there time comes they will no doubt pass together.

How Soon Is Now · 25-05-2010 11:44AM

20goto10 wrote: »

If it all happened for a reason then what was the reason? I mean if the island was real and they were all alive.

It all happened as part of Jacob bringing them to the island to protect it.
Without them being there this would not of been complete he had to pass the job on to someone else and it continues on and on.

20goto10 · 25-05-2010 11:49AM

angerfist2009 wrote: »

It all happened as part of Jacob bringing them to the island to protect it.
Without them being there this would not of been complete he had to pass the job on to someone else and it continues on and on.

Ok. and why? It seems to me you are agreeing that nothing has been answered. I'm a bit confused as to what people actually think has been explained. you're basically saying they have explained what the flash sideways is all about and are making wild assumptions that it somehow explains the whole 6 series.

How Soon Is Now · 25-05-2010 11:56AM

20goto10 wrote: »

Ok. and why? It seems to me you are agreeing that nothing has been answered. I'm a bit confused as to what people actually think has been explained. you're basically saying they have explained what the flash sideways is all about and are making wild assumptions that it somehow explains the whole 6 series.

I am agreeing that not everything was answered about the show in a CLEAR straight forward fashion.
They gave us bits to work off of and either thats all we got or we got an answer.

Them being on that island is most of the 6 series and what it was based on.
They gave us alot to take in on the island some was explained some was not very clear some was just dropped.

BUT if u look in depth into every character on the show and look threw each season u can see to a certain degree what they where doing and what the purpose of whole 6 seasons was.

Like i said its not easy to explain its just something you have to see in the show yourself which is why i said before Lost is what you make it.
Its not one these shows that has a story thats fully explained in detail its a story that parts of it will always be a mystery but they give us the whole thing in way that we can decide almost for our selfs to a certain degree alot of what we where not given answers to.

Star Lord · 25-05-2010 11:58AM

20goto10 wrote: »

Ok. and why? It seems to me you are agreeing that nothing has been answered. I'm a bit confused as to what people actually think has been explained. you're basically saying they have explained what the flash sideways is all about and are making wild assumptions that it somehow explains the whole 6 series.

OK, tell us what you want explained? Bear in mind that we are dealing with a magical island, and things should be though of with that in mind. What is 'normal' may/does not always apply.

johnny_ultimate · 25-05-2010 12:06PM

DamoElDiablo wrote: »

OK, tell us what you want explained? Bear in mind that we are dealing with a magical island, and things should be though of with that in mind. What is 'normal' may/does not always apply.

The old 'everything unexplainable was done by a wizard' theory works with Lost

I must say, for once I took Lost at face value. Everything Christian said fitted in with the world the writers had created IMO, and I never doubted that there was a divide between reality (i.e. the characters lives, including the island) and purgatory. There was a shock when I was a little pissed off that they may had been going the 'everyone was dead all along!' route, but I was delighted when they didn't and I liked the way they ultimately dealt with it.

There are gaps in the story, there were bound to be. There are enough hints there to make up your own mind about little bits and pieces though. Like the Sopranos, the ending of Lost works because they give you a general ending, and yet leave the specifics up to your imagination.

Laois_Man · 25-05-2010 12:42PM

20goto10 wrote: »

designed to get people to watch the ads.

But that's what ALL of television is!!

abelard · 25-05-2010 01:54PM

I wish they'd just put Miles, Daniel and Charlotte in the church as well.

I know you can argue they find their own group of people and move on with them, but I just think it would have been neater. I mean, Miles interacted with so many of the other main characters in the FST, and he actually lived with Sawyer/Juliet/Hurley in Otherton for 3 years in the main timeline.

It must have been a conscious choice by the writers, as it would have been so simple to include them in the final scene, my own preference would just have been to more closely tie them to the rest of the cast by including them at the end.

20goto10 · 25-05-2010 02:28PM

DamoElDiablo wrote: »

OK, tell us what you want explained? Bear in mind that we are dealing with a magical island, and things should be though of with that in mind. What is 'normal' may/does not always apply.

The point is not that they must explain their fictional stories in a non fictional way, the point is that it was all an integral part of the plot. These were plot critical, purposefully confusing situations to which we were lead to believe had an explanation. You know it was. Read back on the threads, it was everything Lost was about. Characters were secondary. I'm not looking for answers cause there is none, thats a fact. I'm just trying to make people see sense. A pointless task but I feel strongly enough about it to keep arguing.

Anyone who says all they've ever wanted to know is how are the relationships of the characters going to develop and end is totally dillusional and has been conned.

Keano · 25-05-2010 02:40PM

20goto10 wrote: »

I'm not looking for answers cause there is none, thats a fact.

Across many threads people have given you them but you choose not to accept others theories.

20goto10 wrote: »

I'm just trying to make people see sense.

No. You are trying to make sense of it yourself and are struggling again by your refusal to accept other peoples opinions.

20goto10 wrote: »

A pointless task but I feel strongly enough about it to keep arguing.

Oh we know

20goto10 · 25-05-2010 02:45PM

Keano A Legend wrote: »

Across many threads people have given you them but you choose not to accept others theories.

No. You are trying to make sense of it yourself and are struggling again by your refusal to accept other peoples opinions.

Oh we know

Keano, once again you seem to know what I am trying to say better than I do myself. Are you from the Island yourself per chance? Stop telling what I think ok? I was very clear in what I am arguing, its written there for everyone to read so I'm not sure what your aim to achieve by nit picking my posts and suggesting I'm saying something I'm not.

Keano · 25-05-2010 02:57PM

20goto10 wrote: »

Keano, once again you seem to know what I am trying to say better than I do myself. Are you from the Island yourself per chance? Stop telling what I think ok? I was very clear in what I am arguing, its written there for everyone to read so I'm not sure what your aim to achieve by nit picking my posts and suggesting I'm saying something I'm not.

At the end of the day you thought it would go one way but it didn't. It's fair enough to be annoyed over that but a lot of people on here are only going to give you their opinion over and over again. You don't agree with them and that's fine

20goto10 · 25-05-2010 03:20PM

Keano A Legend wrote: »

At the end of the day you thought it would go one way but it didn't. It's fair enough to be annoyed over that but a lot of people on here are only going to give you their opinion over and over again. You don't agree with them and that's fine

Ah telling me what I think again. So what way did I think it would go?

Keano · 25-05-2010 03:39PM

20goto10 wrote: »

Ah telling me what I think again. So what way did I think it would go?

Honestly, I don't know. But do please tell us.

Handsome Bob · 25-05-2010 03:45PM

It wouldn't surprise me if it was always JJ's ending because I've seen in various articles/theory/whatever that he himself is quite religious.

Sad Professor · 25-05-2010 03:45PM

This is starting to get very tiresome.

20goto10, how about you stop worrying about what other people think? You know that it sucked. We know that you think it sucked. Enough already! The same goes for the defenders. Some people didn't like it, so what, leave them to it.

At this stage most people here have already made up their mind about the finale. No amount of arguing or trying to make people "see sense" is going to change that. I loved it and I feel absolutely no need to defend it to anyone. I'm secure in my belief that it was a immensely satisfying conclusion to a show that I loved. I really don't care what anyone else thinks.

Now can we discuss the bloody episode already, instead of each other's opinion of it?

Keano · 25-05-2010 03:48PM

Sad Professor wrote: »

This is starting to get very tiresome.

20goto10, how about you stop worrying about what other people think? You know that it sucked. We know that you think it sucked. Enough already! The same goes for the defenders. Some people didn't like it, so what, leave them to it.

At this stage most people here have already made up their mind about the finale. No amount of arguing or trying to make people "see sense" is going to change that. I loved it and I feel absolutely no need to defend it to anyone. I'm secure in my belief that it was a immensely satisfying conclusion to a show that I loved. I really don't care what anyone else thinks.

Now can we discuss the bloody episode already, instead of each other's opinion of it?

Who made you mod

But ya I agree. I was simply asking him to explain his theory.

20goto10 · 25-05-2010 03:56PM

Sad Professor wrote: »

This is starting to get very tiresome.

20goto10, how about you stop worrying about what other people think? You know that it sucked. We know that you think it sucked. Enough already! The same goes for the defenders. Some people didn't like it, so what, leave them to it.

At this stage most people here have already made up their mind about the finale. No amount of arguing or trying to make people "see sense" is going to change that. I loved it and I feel absolutely no need to defend it to anyone. I'm secure in my belief that it was a immensely satisfying conclusion to a show that I loved. I really don't care what anyone else thinks.

Now can we discuss the bloody episode already, instead of each other's opinion of it?

So whats the point of an online discussion forum if its not to discuss? Fair enough though I totally agree this has got tiresome. I'll leave the Lost forum with the knowledge that the doubters were right all along, others can continue to watch through rose tinted glasses.

Callow Man · 25-05-2010 03:56PM

Its time for everyone to "let go":p

Hrududu · 25-05-2010 04:00PM

But, from a more "behind the scenes" note: the reason Ben's not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it.

Except Desmond, Penny, Juliet, Bernard and Libby are all in the church, and none of them were in Season 1.

Jazzy · 25-05-2010 04:03PM

20goto10 wrote: »

So whats the point of an online discussion forum if its not to discuss? Fair enough though I totally agree this has got tiresome. I'll leave the Lost forum with the knowledge that the doubters were right all along, others can continue to watch through rose tinted glasses.

oooohhhh and thats the final word on that. Anal Retentitive perhaps?

Sad Professor · 25-05-2010 04:10PM

20goto10 wrote: »

So whats the point of an online discussion forum if its not to discuss? Fair enough though I totally agree this has got tiresome. I'll leave the Lost forum with the knowledge that the doubters were right all along, others can continue to watch through rose tinted glasses.

I'm not asking you to leave the forum. Please stay and share your criticisms. But focus on the episode and quit telling those of us who enjoyed it that we are "delusional" and that your opinions about the characters and answers are "fact".

Marcaiocht_Tonn · 25-05-2010 04:12PM

Sad Professor, when are you going to give your full run-down of your thoughts on the episode? (or did I miss it?). You mentioned yesterday you needed to gather your thoughts. I've actually been anticipating your comments on it since 7.30am yesterday morning!

Sad Professor · 25-05-2010 04:39PM

Marcaiocht_Tonn wrote: »

Sad Professor, when are you going to give your full run-down of your thoughts on the episode? (or did I miss it?). You mentioned yesterday you needed to gather your thoughts. I've actually been anticipating your comments on it since 7.30am yesterday morning!

Well, thanks for the interest.

I'm not sure I'll have anything interesting to say this time that hasn't already been said, though. It's hard to talk about the finale without talking about the series as a whole. I'll post something eventually. I'm sure everyone has heard enough of me anyway. :pac:

Aldebaran · 25-05-2010 04:46PM

Sad Professor wrote: »

I'm sure everyone has heard enough of me anyway. :pac:

No way SP. I'm actually really interested to hear your thoughts as well! You were always spot on with your comments in all the episode discussion threads down through the years.

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