Possible insider explanation for the ending [** FINALE SPOILERS **]

Sad Professor

This may have been posted in the main thread already, but I thought it deserved its own. I found it over at DarkUFO but it seems it didn't originate there. The person sounds like they were involved in the production. Tbh it's probably fake (no way did JJ plan any ending), but even so it's a very plausible summarisation of what was probably clear to most people.

Good stuff on here! I can finally throw in my two cents! I've had to bite my tongue for far too long. Also, hopefully I can answer some of John's questions about Dharma and the "pointless breadcrumbs" that really, weren't so pointless ...

First ...
The Island:

It was real. Everything that happened on the island that we saw throughout the 6 seasons was real. Forget the final image of the plane crash, it was put in purposely to f*&k with people's heads and show how far the show had come. They really crashed. They really survived. They really discovered Dharma and the Others. The Island keeps the balance of good and evil in the world. It always has and always will perform that role. And the Island will always need a "Protector". Jacob wasn't the first, Hurley won't be the last. However, Jacob had to deal with a malevolent force (MIB) that his mother, nor Hurley had to deal with. He created the devil and had to find a way to kill him -- even though the rules prevented him from actually doing so.

Thus began Jacob's plan to bring candidates to the Island to do the one thing he couldn't do. Kill the MIB. He had a huge list of candidates that spanned generations. Yet everytime he brought people there, the MIB corrupted them and caused them to kill one another. That was until Richard came along and helped Jacob understand that if he didn't take a more active role, then his plan would never work.

Enter Dharma -- which I'm not sure why John is having such a hard time grasping. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interferred by "corrupting" Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all of Ben's "off-island" activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob as far as they were concerned. So the "Others" killed Dharma and later were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the candidates because that's what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn't do for himself.

Dharma was originally brought in to be good. But was turned bad by MIB's corruption and eventually destroyed by his pawn Ben. Now, was Dharma only brought there to help Jack and the other Canditates on their overall quest to kill Smokey? Or did Jacob have another list of Canidates from the Dharma group that we were never aware of? That's a question that is purposley not answered because whatever answer the writers came up with would be worse than the one you come up with for yourself. Still ... Dharma's purpose is not "pointless" or even vague. Hell, it's pretty blantent.

Still, despite his grand plan, Jacob wanted to give his "candidates" (our Lostaways) the one thing he, nor his brother, were ever afforded: free will. Hence him bringing a host of "candidates" through the decades and letting them "choose" which one would actually do the job in the end. Maybe he knew Jack would be the one to kill Flocke and that Hurley would be the protector in the end. Maybe he didn't. But that was always the key question of the show: Fate vs Free-will. Science vs Faith. Personally I think Jacob knew from the beginning what was going to happen and that everyone played a part over 6 seasons in helping Jack get to the point where he needed to be to kill Smokey and make Hurley the protector -- I know that's how a lot of the writers viewed it. But again, they won't answer that (nor should they) because that ruins the fun.

In the end, Jack got to do what he always wanted to do from the very first episode of the show: Save his fellow Lostaways. He got Kate and Sawyer off the island and he gave Hurley the purpose in life he'd always been missing. And, in Sideways world (which we'll get to next) he in fact saved everyone by helping them all move on ...

Now...

Sideways World:

Sideways world is where it gets really cool in terms of theology and metaphysical discussion (for me at least -- because I love history/religion theories and loved all the talks in the writer's room about it). Basically what the show is proposing is that we're all linked to certain people during our lives. Call them soulmates (though it's not exactly the best word). But these people we're linked to are with us duing "the most important moments of our lives" as Christian said. These are the people we move through the universe with from lifetime to lifetime. It's loosely based in Hinduisim with large doses of western religion thrown into the mix.

The conceit that the writers created, basing it off these religious philosophies, was that as a group, the Lostaways subconsciously created this "sideways" world where they exist in purgatory until they are "awakened" and find one another. Once they all find one another, they can then move on and move forward. In essence, this is the show's concept of the afterlife. According to the show, everyone creates their own "Sideways" purgatory with their "soulmates" throughout their lives and exist there until they all move on together. That's a beautiful notion. Even if you aren't religious or even spirtual, the idea that we live AND die together is deeply profound and moving.

It's a really cool and spirtual concept that fits the whole tone and subtext the show has had from the beginning. These people were SUPPOSED to be together on that plane. They were supposed to live through these events -- not JUST because of Jacob. But because that's what the universe or God (depending on how religious you wish to get) wanted to happen. The show was always about science vs faith -- and it ultimately came down on the side of faith. It answered THE core question of the series. The one question that has been at the root of every island mystery, every character backstory, every plot twist. That, by itself, is quite an accomplishment.

How much you want to extrapolate from that is up to you as the viewer. Think about season 1 when we first found the Hatch. Everyone thought that's THE answer! Whatever is down there is the answer! Then, as we discovered it was just one station of many. One link in a very long chain that kept revealing more, and more of a larger mosiac.

But the writer's took it even further this season by contrasting this Sideways "purgatory" with the Island itself. Remember when Michael appeared to Hurley, he said he was not allowed to leave the Island. Just like the MIB. He wasn't allowed into this sideways world and thus, was not afforded the opportunity to move on. Why? Because he had proven himself to be unworthy with his actions on the Island. He failed the test. The others, passed. They made it into Sideways world when they died -- some before Jack, some years later. In Hurley's case, maybe centuries later. They exist in this sideways world until they are "awakened" and they can only move on TOGETHER because they are linked. They are destined to be together for eternity. That was their destiny.

They were NOT linked to Anna Lucia, Daniel, Roussou, Alex, Miles, Lupidis, (and all the rest who weren't in the chuch -- basically everyone who wasn't in season 1). Yet those people exist in Sideways world. Why? Well again, here's where they leave it up to you to decide. The way I like to think about it, is that those people who were left behind in Sideways world have to find their own soulmates before they can wake up. It's possible that those links aren't people from the island but from their other life (Anna's parnter, the guy she shot --- Roussou's husband, etc etc).

A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn't go into the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can't move on yet because he hasn't connected with the people he needs to. It's going to be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan, Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to attone for his sins more than he did by being Hurley's number two. He has to do what Hurley and Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins etc. It's really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me.

But, from a more "behind the scenes" note: the reason Ben's not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn't believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It's pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church -- but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church ... and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it.

For me the ending of this show means a lot. Not only because I worked on it, but because as a writer it inspired me in a way the medium had never done before. I've been inspired to write by great films. Maybe too many to count. And there have been amazing TV shows that I've loved (X-Files, 24, Sopranos, countless 1/2 hour shows). But none did what LOST did for me. None showed me that you could take huge risks (writing a show about faith for network TV) and stick to your creative guns and STILL please the audience. I learned a lot from the show as a writer. I learned even more from being around the incredible writers, producers, PAs, interns and everyone else who slaved on the show for 6 years.

In the end, for me, LOST was a touchstone show that dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spirtual questions that most shows don't touch. And to me, they never once waivered from their core story -- even with all the sci-fi elements they mixed in. To walk that long and daunting of a creative tightrope and survive is simply astounding.

Töpher

Taken with more than a pinch of salt regarding the authenticity, but it's a good read and puts it out there neatly.

Ron DMC

That kinda makes a bit more sense now, but I still don't see why Christian appeared at the end. Was that all part of an attempt to explain it?

How Soon Is Now

Really gald i read the whole way threw that!!!

I had a fair idea understanding what happened at the end but still had few loose ends to figure out this really helped me

If i get time i am deffo gonna watch lost from the start straight threw. Knowing what we all know now it will be interesting to see it all play threw as a full story.

Thanks for posting this!!!

20goto10

Sad Professor wrote: »

This may have been posted in the main thread already, but I thought it deserved its own. I found it over at DarkUFO but it seems it didn't originate there. The person sounds like they were involved in the production. Tbh it's probably fake (no way did JJ plan any ending), but even so it's a very plausible summarisation of what was probably clear to most people.

I don't think the argument is whether the ending was thought up from the start or not, the question is about everything in between. This answers nothing. It's still all made up sh!te that has no meaning whatsoever. They came up with an extremely basic concept and the whole show apart from the start and the end was simply filler, whose sole purpose was to get people to watch the ads.

How Soon Is Now

20goto10 wrote: »

I don't think the argument is whether the ending was thought up from the start or not, the question is about everything in between. This answers nothing. It's still all made up sh!te that has no meaning whatsoever. They came up with an extremely basic concept and the whole show apart from the start and the end was simply filler, whose sole purpose was to get people to watch the ads.

I dunno i could be wrong but the filler as you call it was the story based on the Island layed out by how Jacob wanted it. The characters built there own storys and we saw this threw out the show.

Ya of course theres loads stuff we might fully never get or it might seem like it was all for nothing or aload of ****e but in all fairness they where never gonna give us an answer to every single thing.

The answers to these questions i think were mainly left for us to mule over and for us to make our own judgement on.

20goto10

angerfist2009 wrote: »

I dunno i could be wrong but the filler as you call it was the story based on the Island layed out by how Jacob wanted it. The characters built there own storys and we saw this threw out the show.

Ya of course theres loads stuff we might fully never get or it might seem like it was all for nothing or aload of ****e but in all fairness they where never gonna give us an answer to every single thing.

The answers to these questions i think were mainly left for us to mule over and for us to make our own judgement on.

No the filler is everything in between. The only "story" they have is that people crash on an Island and the big secret is that they are all dead. OK so they managed to pull some sort of airy fairly sh!te as was outlined in the OP, but it changes absolutely nothing. Everything in between is just pure filler. You could have put absolutely anything in the show and still be able to tie it back to the the ending. Thats because they went off on so many tangents, wrote so much sh!te that they had absolutely no way of explaining it. So they made up a new story, forget about the sci-fi and mythology, its all about the characters. Total BS. The sci-fi and mythology was the show. So they're basically saying forget about everything that made the show what it was, it's not important.

How Soon Is Now

20goto10 wrote: »

No the filler is everything in between. The only "story" they have is that people crash on an Island and the big secret is that they are all dead. OK so they managed to pull some sort of airy fairly sh!te as was outlined in the OP, but it changes absolutely nothing. Everything in between is just pure filler. You could have put absolutely anything in the show and still be able to tie it back to the the ending. Thats because they went off on so many tangents, wrote so much sh!te that they had absolutely no way of explaining it. So they made up a new story, forget about the sci-fi and mythology, its all about the characters. Total BS. The sci-fi and mythology was the show. So they're basically saying forget about everything that made the show what it was, it's not important.

They all died in different stage on the island there story on the island was built around all the sci fi and crazy stuff.
Like the Dharma story and the others story and so on it was all based around the island they were people that like the 815 passengers where all brought to the Island for a reason.
If you really think strongly about it you can come to conclusions in your own way its not as simple as ''they made a balls of the story''

LadyW

In the car with Jack, why did Kate say "Christian Shepherd??" the way she did???

How Soon Is Now

LadyW wrote: »

In the car with Jack, why did Kate say "Christian Shepherd??" the way she did???

Christian Shepherd

You get it??
It was pretty much i guess insider way of laughing at whats a pretty cheesy name for a character. Even more so when you see most of Lost works around Faith and such.

PCros

Great article, thanks SF.

Puts alot of things into perspective.

RunHomerRun

angerfist2009 wrote: »

Christian Shepherd

You get it??
It was pretty much i guess insider way of laughing at whats a pretty cheesy name for a character. Even more so when you see most of Lost works around Faith and such.

I agree - insider joke.
Not just cheesy, his name is Christian Shepherd.
They were all going into a church to "move on" - and the leader to help them move on is Christian Shepherd, so he is a shepherd of christians.....

Excellent article.
Lost was a mad, mental, way out yet fantastic show.
I invested probably 5 years of my life in watching it.
Some episodes fantastic, some not soo, but even still I kept coming back to watch it.

I do vaguely recall hearing in the first or second series that the writers / creators were asked if Lost had anything to do with Purgatory, and they said the Island was most definately NOT purgatory, and that the characters were not dead.
I guess they were telling the truth, but in a clever way, the whole ending resulted in the sideways being Purgatory........kinda devious.

20goto10

angerfist2009 wrote: »

They all died in different stage on the island there story on the island was built around all the sci fi and crazy stuff.
Like the Dharma story and the others story and so on it was all based around the island they were people that like the 815 passengers where all brought to the Island for a reason.
If you really think strongly about it you can come to conclusions in your own way its not as simple as ''they made a balls of the story''

Right so the Island was real, it was travelling through time etc etc oh, and they all survived a hydrogen bomb at point blank range.

How can people say the Island was real and the sideways story is purgatory and call it a brilliant ending? The sideways story was introduced in series 6. If the island was real then nothing has been explain. Its all total bullsh!t I'm getting really worked up about this but I just cannot believe people can not see this show for what it truly is - a complete and utter con designed to get people to watch the ads.

LadyW

Yep, makes sense... I was reading waaaay too much into it....force of habit when it came to Lost !!

Belated thanks to SF, fantastic article

Aldebaran

Thanks for posting that SP. It's a nice little explanation but I really doubt if JJ actually had anything to do with the ending.

Bucklesman

It's definitely fake; there's no way that was written by a professional writer.

However, it's a great explanation if the mysteries, so who cares?

How Soon Is Now

20goto10 wrote: »

Right so the Island was real, it was travelling through time etc etc oh, and they all survived a hydrogen bomb at point blank range.

How can people say the Island was real and the sideways story is purgatory and call it a brilliant ending? The sideways story was introduced in series 6. If the island was real then nothing has been explain. Its all total bullsh!t I'm getting really worked up about this but I just cannot believe people can not see this show for what it truly is - a complete and utter con designed to get people to watch the ads.

Maybe they survived the bomb because the island was not done with them yet?
The ones who died died because that was there part of there story done they had no further to go.
They left the sideways story till end cause made sense to wait till THE END.
If they told you about it early on in show it would of been way to dragged out.

Look at end day the alt timeline was not any certain time all the characters on the show who where important to each other died at different stages on the island timeline. The alt timeline had no time line it was just a conclusion to there storys it was a way for them all to meet before they finally moved on. Thats why they all had to die before they where finished in Purgatory. Anyone who was not in that church at the end has not found there link to the island yet they still have to make that connection so they can move on.

PCros

Bucklesman wrote: »

It's definitely fake; there's no way that was written by a professional writer.

However, it's a great explanation if the mysteries, so who cares?

I'd say its probably an assistant more than a writer.

20goto10

angerfist2009 wrote: »

Maybe they survived the bomb because the island was not done with them yet?
The ones who died died because that was there part of there story done they had no further to go.
They left the sideways story till end cause made sense to wait till THE END.
If they told you about it early on in show it would of been way to dragged out.

Look at end day the alt timeline was not any certain time all the characters on the show who where important to each other died at different stages on the island timeline. The alt timeline had no time line it was just a conclusion to there storys it was a way for them all to meet before they finally moved on. Thats why they all had to die before they where finished in Purgatory. Anyone who was not in that church at the end has not found there link to the island yet they still have to make that connection so they can move on.

Yes I get all that. What I'm saying is it shows that everything else, storylines that were very important at the time have simply been brushed aside. forget all that its not important, whats important is the characters journeys. This is the problem I have with it. My problem is not in my understanding or lack of understanding of the end because no matter how you look at it it doesn't explain anything. They've been exposed. They've clearly done a good job of covering their asses but at the end of the day Lost will be remembered in the same way as Bobby Ewing in the shower. The only difference being Dallas actually pulled in the ratings.

How Soon Is Now

20goto10 wrote: »

Yes I get all that. What I'm saying is it shows that everything else, storylines that were very important at the time have simply been brushed aside. forget all that its not important, whats important is the characters journeys. This is the problem I have with it. My problem is not in my understanding or lack of understanding of the end because no matter how you look at it it doesn't explain anything. They've been exposed. They've clearly done a good job of covering their asses but at the end of the day Lost will be remembered in the same way as Bobby Ewing in the shower. The only difference being Dallas actually pulled in the ratings.

Most of the major storylines went in there own way until they could not go much further there was no more to them.

Of course theres gonna be missing parts to the show any complex show is never gonna be fully explained but really if you watch the WHOLE show closely there is alot more answers there then you might think. Maybe rewatch it all again and you might pick up things you didnt the first time.

I am not saying they answered everything cause they didnt but alot of what was not answered really it didnt take away from the show it just left more to question about the overall characters and there parts in the story.

20goto10

angerfist2009 wrote: »

Most of the major storylines went in there own way until they could not go much further there was no more to them.

Of course theres gonna be missing parts to the show any complex show is never gonna be fully explained but really if you watch the WHOLE show closely there is alot more answers there then you might think. Maybe rewatch it all again and you might pick up things you didnt the first time.

I am not saying they answered everything cause they didnt but alot of what was not answered really it didnt take away from the show it just left more to question about the overall characters and there parts in the story.

OK well I'll get back to discussing the ending so. If they weren't all dead and the Island was real then how did they all survive a hydrogen bomb? Remember now we're talking about a real island here with real living people who didn't die in a plane crash.

How Soon Is Now

20goto10 wrote: »

OK well I'll get back to discussing the ending so. If they weren't all dead and the Island was real then how did they all survive a hydrogen bomb? Remember now we're talking about a real island here with real living people who didn't die in a plane crash.

Yes but where not talking about a normal Island are we?
Thats the thing you have to remember the place was special for whatever reason it was controling the people who lived on it to a certain degree.

Some died in the incident some lived the ones who died where meant to die they had no further to go that was there story.

Ones who lived still had a purpose on the island they still had to complete and finish what they were brought there to do.

Mr E

Bucklesman wrote: »

It's definitely fake; there's no way that was written by a professional writer.

Great article, but it was written by a fan as opposed to a professional writer.
They spelt Rousseau, Lapidus and Widmore wrong throughout (and an editor would have caught that).

Good read, though.

20goto10

angerfist2009 wrote: »

Yes but where not talking about a normal Island are we?
Thats the thing you have to remember the place was special for whatever reason it was controling the people who lived on it to a certain degree.

Some died in the incident some lived the ones who died where meant to die they had no further to go that was there story.

Ones who lived still had a purpose on the island they still had to complete and finish what they were brought there to do.

Right ok, so here is what I am getting at. None of that matters. All that funky stuff about the Island, just forget about it. That sits ok with you?

This is like arguing with religious people. Its just not possible to make them see sense.

kippy

Lost is, to me, similiar to how recent Radiohead stuff is in the music world.
If you dont "get it" or understand the ins and outs of what is very clearly codswallop, you'll be downbeaten for not being "smart" enough to appreciate the artistry in it.

I watched the ending and am looking forward to the next few days when articles will appear outlining how full of holes the whole series was and how many unanswered tangents are still not answered.

How Soon Is Now

20goto10 wrote: »

Right ok, so here is what I am getting at. None of that matters. All that funky stuff about the Island, just forget about it. That sits ok with you?

This is like arguing with religious people. Its just not possible to make them see sense.

Ya but ya see if u open your eyes and stop wanting to hate the way the show turned out u would see that nothing was totally forgot about it.

Most of it all had its purpose and how feck is anyone meant to explain this to you ?? You have to of seen it in the show yourself otherwise we can all argue and disgree forever about it and will make no difference.

No one at all is saying everything got a conclusion everything got a final answer but what did happen is we did get a story to mostly everything in some way or another and everything did happen for a reason.

I reckon not all people are seeing this as it wasnt just shown straight in plain simple english to them. And thats why Lost was different the writers left alot of things up to the fans of the show to decide for them selfs.

They gave us the pieces and a manual we just have to see how they fit together.

kippy

angerfist2009 wrote: »

Ya but ya see if u open your eyes and stop wanting to hate the way the show turned out u would see that nothing was totally forgot about it.

Most of it all had its purpose and how feck is anyone meant to explain this to you ?? You have to of seen it in the show yourself otherwise we can all argue and disgree forever about it and will make no difference.

No one at all is saying everything got a conclusion everything got a final answer but what did happen is we did get a story to mostly everything in some way or another and everything did happen for a reason.

I reckon not all people are seeing this as it wasnt just shown straight in plain simple english to them. And thats why Lost was different the writers left alot of things up to the fans of the show to decide for them selfs.

They gave us the pieces and a manual we just have to see how they fit together.

Exactly what I was talking about in my previous post...........

20goto10

angerfist2009 wrote: »

Ya but ya see if u open your eyes and stop wanting to hate the way the show turned out u would see that nothing was totally forgot about it.

Most of it all had its purpose and how feck is anyone meant to explain this to you ?? You have to of seen it in the show yourself otherwise we can all argue and disgree forever about it and will make no difference.

No one at all is saying everything got a conclusion everything got a final answer but what did happen is we did get a story to mostly everything in some way or another and everything did happen for a reason.

I reckon not all people are seeing this as it wasnt just shown straight in plain simple english to them. And thats why Lost was different the writers left alot of things up to the fans of the show to decide for them selfs.

They gave us the pieces and a manual we just have to see how they fit together.

If I just had faith and believed.....bol*cough*lox

How Soon Is Now

20goto10 wrote: »

If I just had faith and believed.....bol*cough*lox

You know what to do then dont you

Mr E

20goto10 wrote: »

This is like arguing with religious people. Its just not possible to make them see sense.

Ever get the feeling you're living up to your user name?

20goto10

angerfist2009 wrote: »

You know what to do then dont you

don't take things personally, I'm siply refuting your posts. You say everything happened for a reason, that makes sense if they were all dead from the start. But if they didn't die in the plane crash and everything on the Island was real then nothing makes sense at all. Either way you look at it, its boll0x.

How Soon Is Now

20goto10 wrote: »

don't take things personally, I'm siply refuting your posts. You say everything happened for a reason, that makes sense if they were all dead from the start. But if they didn't die in the plane crash and everything on the Island was real then nothing makes sense at all. Either way you look at it, its boll0x.

How does that explain nothing making sense?

Faith

At times like this, I love my username. "Lost is all about Faith" etc

I liked that article. I saw a clip of Matthew Fox on Jimmy Kimmel last night where he said the whole idea was you couldn't move on until you remembered your death. So Desmond's whole purpose in the FSW was to help people remember their deaths and move on. I think the whole thing makes sense to me now, but I'm going to have to rewatch it when my exams are over.

jimbling

20goto10 wrote: »

Right so the Island was real, it was travelling through time etc etc oh, and they all survived a hydrogen bomb at point blank range.

The way I took that was they didn't "survive" the bomb as such, they were flashed forward back to 2004 as it exploded.
I guess the bomb WAS the "Incident" that has been talked about since the earlier seasons.
The losties thought they were trying to stop the Incident, but they actually caused it. Whatever happened, happened.
Time travel eh

20goto10

angerfist2009 wrote: »

How does that explain nothing making sense?

If it all happened for a reason then what was the reason?

anyway the argument that the Island was real and only the flash sideways was purgatory is a non theory to me. I'm still waiting for an explanation as to how they survive a hydrongen bomb. If they were all dead and everything was purgatory then I would agree that explains everything, in a way which explains nothing, similiar to religious beliefs. but I'd accept there was a story, but I'd still call it BS and a cop out because it exposing pretty much everything as nothing more than filler.

seadnamac

20goto10 wrote: »

Right so the Island was real, it was travelling through time etc etc oh, and they all survived a hydrogen bomb at point blank range.

How can people say the Island was real and the sideways story is purgatory and call it a brilliant ending? The sideways story was introduced in series 6. If the island was real then nothing has been explain. Its all total bullsh!t I'm getting really worked up about this but I just cannot believe people can not see this show for what it truly is - a complete and utter con designed to get people to watch the ads.

I posted in the main thread that I actually wanted it to be that the island was purgatory and that they were dead all along, because that would explain what the last six years were all about. If it was all real, as it seems it was, then we don't know a thing. Nothing.

They couldn't answer any of the questions that they themselves posed, so they decided to introduce something else in the final season (the flash sideways) and give us an answer to that, hoping that everyone would forget about everything else.

Rabidlamb

Yes Jack dies fixing the island and letting the others escape

Kate, Sawyer, Miles, Frank, Claire, and Richard escape the island on the plane and live out the rest of their lives in the real world in normal time.

Hurley (in the Jacob) & Ben (in the Richard role) stay on the island to become its new protectors, who are now allowed to make their own rules and govern the island their way, i.e. Ben says they can find away to get Des home because its their island now, their rules

When they all finally died they created a place (Flash-Sideways world) where they come together and could pass over with each other, they all needed each other to be whole and happy.

The flash sideways we saw could have been decades in the future when all the main characters had eventually died, that's why Penny was there.
They could then leave limbo/purgatory together.

Ben remained in purgatory to atone for his sins & Alex probably wasn't aware yet that she was in limbo.
When there time comes they will no doubt pass together.

How Soon Is Now

20goto10 wrote: »

If it all happened for a reason then what was the reason? I mean if the island was real and they were all alive.

It all happened as part of Jacob bringing them to the island to protect it.
Without them being there this would not of been complete he had to pass the job on to someone else and it continues on and on.

20goto10

angerfist2009 wrote: »

It all happened as part of Jacob bringing them to the island to protect it.
Without them being there this would not of been complete he had to pass the job on to someone else and it continues on and on.

Ok. and why? It seems to me you are agreeing that nothing has been answered. I'm a bit confused as to what people actually think has been explained. you're basically saying they have explained what the flash sideways is all about and are making wild assumptions that it somehow explains the whole 6 series.

How Soon Is Now

20goto10 wrote: »

Ok. and why? It seems to me you are agreeing that nothing has been answered. I'm a bit confused as to what people actually think has been explained. you're basically saying they have explained what the flash sideways is all about and are making wild assumptions that it somehow explains the whole 6 series.

I am agreeing that not everything was answered about the show in a CLEAR straight forward fashion.
They gave us bits to work off of and either thats all we got or we got an answer.

Them being on that island is most of the 6 series and what it was based on.
They gave us alot to take in on the island some was explained some was not very clear some was just dropped.

BUT if u look in depth into every character on the show and look threw each season u can see to a certain degree what they where doing and what the purpose of whole 6 seasons was.

Like i said its not easy to explain its just something you have to see in the show yourself which is why i said before Lost is what you make it.
Its not one these shows that has a story thats fully explained in detail its a story that parts of it will always be a mystery but they give us the whole thing in way that we can decide almost for our selfs to a certain degree alot of what we where not given answers to.

Star Lord

20goto10 wrote: »

Ok. and why? It seems to me you are agreeing that nothing has been answered. I'm a bit confused as to what people actually think has been explained. you're basically saying they have explained what the flash sideways is all about and are making wild assumptions that it somehow explains the whole 6 series.

OK, tell us what you want explained? Bear in mind that we are dealing with a magical island, and things should be though of with that in mind. What is 'normal' may/does not always apply.

johnny_ultimate

DamoElDiablo wrote: »

OK, tell us what you want explained? Bear in mind that we are dealing with a magical island, and things should be though of with that in mind. What is 'normal' may/does not always apply.

The old 'everything unexplainable was done by a wizard' theory works with Lost

I must say, for once I took Lost at face value. Everything Christian said fitted in with the world the writers had created IMO, and I never doubted that there was a divide between reality (i.e. the characters lives, including the island) and purgatory. There was a shock when I was a little pissed off that they may had been going the 'everyone was dead all along!' route, but I was delighted when they didn't and I liked the way they ultimately dealt with it.

There are gaps in the story, there were bound to be. There are enough hints there to make up your own mind about little bits and pieces though. Like the Sopranos, the ending of Lost works because they give you a general ending, and yet leave the specifics up to your imagination.

Laois_Man

20goto10 wrote: »

designed to get people to watch the ads.

But that's what ALL of television is!!

abelard

I wish they'd just put Miles, Daniel and Charlotte in the church as well.

I know you can argue they find their own group of people and move on with them, but I just think it would have been neater. I mean, Miles interacted with so many of the other main characters in the FST, and he actually lived with Sawyer/Juliet/Hurley in Otherton for 3 years in the main timeline.

It must have been a conscious choice by the writers, as it would have been so simple to include them in the final scene, my own preference would just have been to more closely tie them to the rest of the cast by including them at the end.

20goto10

DamoElDiablo wrote: »

OK, tell us what you want explained? Bear in mind that we are dealing with a magical island, and things should be though of with that in mind. What is 'normal' may/does not always apply.

The point is not that they must explain their fictional stories in a non fictional way, the point is that it was all an integral part of the plot. These were plot critical, purposefully confusing situations to which we were lead to believe had an explanation. You know it was. Read back on the threads, it was everything Lost was about. Characters were secondary. I'm not looking for answers cause there is none, thats a fact. I'm just trying to make people see sense. A pointless task but I feel strongly enough about it to keep arguing.

Anyone who says all they've ever wanted to know is how are the relationships of the characters going to develop and end is totally dillusional and has been conned.

Keano

20goto10 wrote: »

I'm not looking for answers cause there is none, thats a fact.

Across many threads people have given you them but you choose not to accept others theories.

20goto10 wrote: »

I'm just trying to make people see sense.

No. You are trying to make sense of it yourself and are struggling again by your refusal to accept other peoples opinions.

20goto10 wrote: »

A pointless task but I feel strongly enough about it to keep arguing.

Oh we know

20goto10

Keano A Legend wrote: »

Across many threads people have given you them but you choose not to accept others theories.



No. You are trying to make sense of it yourself and are struggling again by your refusal to accept other peoples opinions.



Oh we know

Keano, once again you seem to know what I am trying to say better than I do myself. Are you from the Island yourself per chance? Stop telling what I think ok? I was very clear in what I am arguing, its written there for everyone to read so I'm not sure what your aim to achieve by nit picking my posts and suggesting I'm saying something I'm not.

Keano

20goto10 wrote: »

Keano, once again you seem to know what I am trying to say better than I do myself. Are you from the Island yourself per chance? Stop telling what I think ok? I was very clear in what I am arguing, its written there for everyone to read so I'm not sure what your aim to achieve by nit picking my posts and suggesting I'm saying something I'm not.

At the end of the day you thought it would go one way but it didn't. It's fair enough to be annoyed over that but a lot of people on here are only going to give you their opinion over and over again. You don't agree with them and that's fine

20goto10

Keano A Legend wrote: »

At the end of the day you thought it would go one way but it didn't. It's fair enough to be annoyed over that but a lot of people on here are only going to give you their opinion over and over again. You don't agree with them and that's fine

Ah telling me what I think again. So what way did I think it would go?

Keano

20goto10 wrote: »

Ah telling me what I think again. So what way did I think it would go?

Honestly, I don't know. But do please tell us.

Handsome Bob

It wouldn't surprise me if it was always JJ's ending because I've seen in various articles/theory/whatever that he himself is quite religious.