[US/IRL] 6x17/18 - "The End" (2.5 Hour Series Finale) [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

sorrywhat wrote: »

Ya see that is where the problem is with the last season or two.

Ive read in various places on the net that when JJ Abrams took a year off to film star trek after the 4th season, he came back and the other writers had gone in a different direction with the ending that he didnt want to do.

He fell out with them and didnt write anymore. Im not sure if you noticed but he wasn't in the opening or ending credits for THE END. He didnt have one thing to do with the final episode.

And that brings me to my next point.

After season 2 (i think), I saw an interview with JJ Abrams and another writer and they promised that it wouldnt be a cop out ending with them all being dead, aliens, etc. It would be much more thought out then that.

But after JJ left I think the other writers fcuked up the storyline so much that this was the only direction that was left.

That makes more sense alright....I'd like to hear his opinion on it.

Berkut wrote: »

listen guys,...everyone gets the bloody ending...it doesn't mean you're a fúckin genius to be able to figure it all out by yourself...stop thinking you are because you're not.
I hate these people who come on here and sneakily try to put people down with comments like above in order to to boost their own píss poor self esteem.



The only thing that mattes is whether people are happy with the ending or not.
If you are, good for you.
If you're not, then good for you also.

Nobody is saying anything about being a genius and there's no need for the attitude ... if everybody gets it then why are SO many people here posting things like "I knew they were dead all along from the end of series 1", or "I knew it was going to end like that" .....

It’s really annoying to hear so many people saying “Oh I stopped after Series [Insert relevant series number here] and I knew this was how it was going to turn out.”

Really? You knew before the start of Season 6 that the bomb that Juliet set off was going to create a “Flash Sideways” that would be a purgatory (for want of a more accurate word) where all the travellers from Oceanic 815 would meet up when they died before they went on to their afterlife … you can REALLY say that?!! I call shenanigans!

I thought the ending was great, it answered lots of questions and left lots of questions to be discussed, however the one thing that’s not really open to interpretation is that until each character died they did not appear in the Flash Sideways. Once they did they pootered around in their own little way living what they thought was a life (but wasn’t the real world) until they were reminded of their experiences on the island by the people who meant the most to them (as mentioned by Christian Shepherd ) … seriously folks, what’s so hard to get about that …we all watched the same program right?!!

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

Not everyone gets the ending, as there are still people who think the island wasn't real and the whole show was purgatory.

As far as I'm concerned the true ending of the show is the final scene, Jack in the bamboo field, back where he started, people leaving the island because of what he did, the island being protected now. The flash sideways were just a really long epilogue

Things could never be explained fully. In case people have forgotten, there was a giant black smoke
monster, from the very first episode (or the season 1 finale where we first actually saw it). No explaination as to how it was created would have ever been good enough. Same with what the island is, what the light is etc etc. It's not real, it can't happen in real life, so any way they did explain it, people would have complained. It is a magical island. Always has been.

I think we got relatively good explainations for the stuff that actually mattered. If everything was explained, or if they had put in less mysteries throughout the seasons, I don't think the show would have been half as entertaining over the years

Excatly thats what made Lost to a certain degree the fact we never fully knew what was coming next till the very end. And even now we still dont fully know everything but at least we have an end to work up to and make our own minds up on what happened.

sorrywhat wrote: »

Ya see that is where the problem is with the last season or two.

Ive read in various places on the net that when JJ Abrams took a year off to film star trek after the 4th season, he came back and the other writers had gone in a different direction with the ending that he didnt want to do.

He fell out with them and didnt write anymore. Im not sure if you noticed but he wasn't in the opening or ending credits for THE END. He didnt have one thing to do with the final episode.

And that brings me to my next point.

After season 2 (i think), I saw an interview with JJ Abrams and another writer and they promised that it wouldnt be a cop out ending with them all being dead, aliens, etc. It would be much more thought out then that.

But after JJ left I think the other writers fcuked up the storyline so much that this was the only direction that was left.

JJ Abrams was merely a producer.. he wrote a handful of episodes but he was never a permanent writer on the show.

He could get the money and backing to get this pilot made. Without him, the show would have (probably) never been created, but he didn't have a massive amount of input (especially post Season 1).

rossc007 wrote: »

I would absolutely love you to explain it to me....

Ok, here goes:
Man in Black wants to destroy the Island (to get off it) and Jack (the new Jacob) wants to protect the island. They send Desmond down to the Source as Locke thinks it will destroy the Island but Jack thinks it will contribute to saving the Island. Desmond goes to the source of the Source and pulls out a plug) unbeknownst to MIB & Jack it makes them temporarily mortal. They fight Jack gets mortally wounded (stab wound) and the MIB gets killed by Kate (shot in the back...nasty). As this is happening more and more people in the alternate timeline (which so far we know as Flash Sideways) are meeting up and reconnecting people who lost lovers etc etc)

Once the fight is complete Jack transfers his powers to Hurley saying that he is the new Jacob and then travels down to the Source and puts the plug back in, thus renewing the island’s energy and then we flick back to the alternate timeline.

Here we are now, at the entrance to a church where Jack was originally planning on having his fathers funeral (and he travels in the back door and sees his Dad’s coffin, and touches it and gets a flash (very like how he touched the coffin on the island, and then remembers everything, but when he opens the coffin it’s empty, and he turns around and his Dad is there and they start talking. He asks his Dad how can he be there because he's dead, his Dad says "How can YOU be here" and then it hits Jack that he is dead too, and that the alternate timeline that we’ve been seeing on and off for the past season is in fact a post death pre heaven style “waiting area” where time has no impact and everyone who has died (or will ever die) shows up. And now that he’s accepted this it’s time for them all to "move on" ….so the Island was real, and it all happened, but the alternate timeline was like a purgatory type place (for want of a much better description!)

The whole show ends with a Flashback of us seeing Jack (in reality) after getting out of the Cave making his way to and lying in a bamboo field on his back, with Vincent running towards him , and the camera focuses in on his eye closing (him dying) which was a complete mirror of how the whole show started 6 years ago which was him lying in the same field and his eye opening after regaining consciousness after the plane crashed.

Simples !:)

20goto10 wrote: »

It's all irrelavent. The show was never about the characters, that was newly introduced to lead up to the finale so that it looked like they were explaining something. What I liked about lost was the mythology and sci-fi and I was hoping for an answer to all that went on but sadly my worst fears came true. The simple fact is they have no answers. It was all just filler.

How was the show not about the characters
They were the biggest part of the show when you think of Lost you think of Jack, Hurley, Kate, Sawyer and so on.
The rest was built around them why you think they built up the development of the characters so much early on in the show.

20goto10 wrote: »

It's all irrelavent. The show was never about the characters, that was newly introduced to lead up to the finale so that it looked like they were explaining something. What I liked about lost was the mythology and sci-fi and I was hoping for an answer to all that went on but sadly my worst fears came true. The simple fact is they have no answers. It was all just filler.

The show was never about the characters? What show were you watching? Look at the threads where people talk about the best scenes. Scenes like Locke being able to walk, desmond and pennys phone call, charlies death, sawyer telling jack he met jacks father etc etc

the show has always had the mystery element, but the show was always about these characters, an not just how they dealt with the mysteries, but resolving their issues, making connections, realising who they are and their place in the world, with or without the island. If you didn't invest in these characters and were watching just to get answers then you were never going to be satisfied with the ending because the ending wasn't about the island, it was about the people

Watched it last night and though I thought the episode was great the ending was a disappointment to me. Not because of the explanation given, though I wasn't hugely impressed by it, but because it left plot holes big enough to drive a truck through that can be explained away with the simple statement that "That's the nature of the island" or some such.

Maybe I was hoping for too much, but I would have liked to see some coherency to the whole show, something to make sense of it all instead if leaving it to the magical mystical side where the viewers imagination can fill in the blanks.

There's no two ways about it, but it really feels like a cop out to me. If only they had the balls to actually try and give a creative coherent ending to the whole thing, but then again maybe they tried and realised there were too many tangents that couldn't be explained so why bother trying put it down to magic and let the viewer do all the work.

Very disappointed

seadnamac wrote: »

What point are you making here? Yes all those things lead up to the final series...and then they completely f*cking ignored them.

People give this argument that in other shows you don't need to know the history of everything, I read someone using the history of Baltimore in the Wire as an example. There is one HUGE difference. The writers of the Wire or any other example you want never intentially created any mystery around the history of Baltimore, so it was never an issue.All the answers that people were looking for in Lost were to questions posed by the f*cking writers themselves. It's not like people are making it up.

The other main argument is that it was always about the characters. That is huge steaming crock of sh*t. If it was always about the characters then why did they spend five years introducing mystery after mystery? I'll tell you why, to get people to watch the f*cking show. Lost would be nothing without the mystery and the questions. And to completely ignore these and leave them unresolved is a slap in the face to a huge portion of their audience who tuned in all these years for those very reasons.

In my opinion, after all the dust has settled, Lost will go down in popular culture as a cop out. Just because the final episode may have made sense doesn't absolve the show as a whole.

pug_ wrote: »

Watched it last night and though I thought the episode was great the ending was a disappointment to me. Not because of the explanation given, though I wasn't hugely impressed by it, but because it left plot holes big enough to drive a truck through that can be explained away with the simple statement that "That's the nature of the island" or some such.

Maybe I was hoping for too much, but I would have liked to see some coherency to the whole show, something to make sense of it all instead if leaving it to the magical mystical side where the viewers imagination can fill in the blanks.

There's no two ways about it, but it really feels like a cop out to me. If only they had the balls to actually try and give a creative coherent ending to the whole thing, but then again maybe they tried and realised there were too many tangents that couldn't be explained so why bother trying put it down to magic and let the viewer do all the work.

Very disappointed

So really honestly ok what did you want them to explain that they did not?? What huge part of the show did they not give you an answer to?

Mitch Connor wrote: »

What do you actually still need to be explained?

Most was explained within the show.

We know who MIB was, we know who Jacod was, we know why they were all brought to the island, we know who/what Smokey was.

However, part of the show is the mystery and the interpretations. For me the show would be weaker if every little thing had been nicely tied up.

Ah come on man, we know nothing. Huge portions of the shows were dedicated to issues that have gone unresloved or given some ****ty shoehorned explanation. The time travel, Widmore .vs. Ben and the numbers were at least season long arcs in themselves. Like I said these were some of the issues that got Lost a large portion of its audience in the first place.

Berkut wrote: »

And you're quite happy with this?
I mean the finale doesn't make you question anything in Lost or anything that you could change in the ending?
What about the obvious gaps in the end with Penny?
What bout Ecko and all the other lost characters that were missing?
What happened to them? If the island was the big connection then obviously more people than Ben should have been outside.
It's possible Ecko moved on already as his brother was already dead but then we have Penny...why should she have spent life in limbo all because Desmond has to meet up with the rest of the gang? Surely his connection to her was far stronger? From the start of Lost Desmond had this connection to Penny and the ending seems to suggest that it didn't mean jack.

Some of the above questions answered here:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=66052798&postcount=1